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Post by wiaww on Nov 15, 2020 16:08:02 GMT
I was surprised by the announcement last night, not least of all that it came so soon after the game. There’s been no “dreaded vote of confidence” that I can remember, and although we’ve been poor lately, there have been times earlier in the season where I would have been less surprised to see the axe swing than I was last night.
It’s clear that BG has struggled since he came in. He had a horrible start and this was compounded by issues outside of football. He seems to be an intelligent man and I think he’s known he’s probably out of his depth for a while now.
BG has been very critical of officials and external influences (weather, COVID, etc.) in interviews multiple times this season, but his complaints have never seemed overly convincing and often smacked of desperation. In his heart of hearts I think he realised he wasn’t going to turn things around.
Football management appears to be a hugely stressful line of employment. I just wonder that with everything going on if he felt that it’s just not worth the hassle. I wouldn’t blame him if so.
I can’t shake the image of him frustratedly offering his resignation following the game. Perhaps naively not expecting it to be accepted.
Pure speculation, I know, but I can’t otherwise make sense of the timing of his departure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 16:18:08 GMT
The man only moved his family down to Bristol in August and his children started at a new school in September. No way has he resigned. He simply failed to turn all what he did into results and as we all know its a results business and he failed. Therefore he was sacked!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 16:19:29 GMT
No
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Nov 15, 2020 16:23:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 16:27:18 GMT
Just answering the thread question - I don’t think he offered to resign and can’t see any logical reason why someone in his position would. I think it’s also been raised a few times elsewhere and others have pointed out it looks quite clear to be a sacking.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 15, 2020 16:29:37 GMT
No. Was it the referees decision to sack him?
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Post by wiaww on Nov 15, 2020 16:32:04 GMT
The man only moved his family down to Bristol in August and his children started at a new school in September. No way has he resigned. He simply failed to turn all what he did into results and as we all know its a results business and he failed. Therefore he was sacked! I don’t know anything about his life outside of football, and his moving of his family to the area suggest he planned to be here for the long haul. I also don’t think that it makes it impossible. Relatively unlikely, sure, but something nagging in the back of my mind keeps coming back to the possibility that he jumped before (or as) he knew he was going to be pushed.
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Post by spiess1 on Nov 15, 2020 16:32:39 GMT
No. Was it the referees decision to sack him? VAR was not required.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 15, 2020 16:36:39 GMT
No
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Post by oldgas on Nov 15, 2020 16:39:51 GMT
Why resign when you can hold out, get sacked and compensation?
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Post by wiaww on Nov 15, 2020 16:48:56 GMT
Why resign when you can hold out, get sacked and compensation? It’s quite possible that, as a complete unknown looking to break into management, BG accepted a contract without any option for compensation should he relieved from employment...
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Post by RD on Nov 15, 2020 16:55:29 GMT
Why resign when you can hold out, get sacked and compensation? It’s quite possible that, as a complete unknown looking to break into management, BG accepted a contract without any option for compensation should he relieved from employment... Lol give it up - there's no way on earth he walked.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 15, 2020 16:56:40 GMT
Simply the way he talked during his post match press conference, plus the wording of the statement by the club, make it very clear that he was relieved of his duties and he did not resign.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 16:59:58 GMT
No. He behaved as normal after the game, and I think that he would have told his players if he was going to resign.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 15, 2020 17:04:01 GMT
I was surprised by the announcement last night, not least of all that it came so soon after the game. There’s been no “dreaded vote of confidence” that I can remember, and although we’ve been poor lately, there have been times earlier in the season where I would have been less surprised to see the axe swing than I was last night. It’s clear that BG has struggled since he came in. He had a horrible start and this was compounded by issues outside of football. He seems to be an intelligent man and I think he’s known he’s probably out of his depth for a while now. BG has been very critical of officials and external influences (weather, COVID, etc.) in interviews multiple times this season, but his complaints have never seemed overly convincing and often smacked of desperation. In his heart of hearts I think he realised he wasn’t going to turn things around. Football management appears to be a hugely stressful line of employment. I just wonder that with everything going on if he felt that it’s just not worth the hassle. I wouldn’t blame him if so. I can’t shake the image of him frustratedly offering his resignation following the game. Perhaps naively not expecting it to be accepted. Pure speculation, I know, but I can’t otherwise make sense of the timing of his departure. That's a different view but I don't think so due to the reasons people have stated here. I think this sacking was a very pro active,positive act if you can call a firing that.I'm not happy to see a man lose his job, but from our clubs point of view Wael has acted powerfully and with logic.It very unlike our club before. He gave Ben 30 odd games, and almost a year in charge,a good budget and let him build a completely new squad.He got longer than he would have at any other club.He couldnt make it work and our board acted, and BG can't argue it or make excuses. My hope is that thevstyle/type of football and youth vision that we talked about under BG is a club's core new identity and our next manager will continue with what we were hoping Ben would give us.
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Post by wiaww on Nov 15, 2020 17:04:37 GMT
It’s quite possible that, as a complete unknown looking to break into management, BG accepted a contract without any option for compensation should he relieved from employment... Lol give it up - there's no way on earth he walked. I’ve never said I think it’s a certainty, I’m just speculating as the timing of the sacking was so unexpected. I don’t know why you so often try to be patronising to people you disagree with. Sad.
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Post by wiaww on Nov 15, 2020 17:09:12 GMT
I was surprised by the announcement last night, not least of all that it came so soon after the game. There’s been no “dreaded vote of confidence” that I can remember, and although we’ve been poor lately, there have been times earlier in the season where I would have been less surprised to see the axe swing than I was last night. It’s clear that BG has struggled since he came in. He had a horrible start and this was compounded by issues outside of football. He seems to be an intelligent man and I think he’s known he’s probably out of his depth for a while now. BG has been very critical of officials and external influences (weather, COVID, etc.) in interviews multiple times this season, but his complaints have never seemed overly convincing and often smacked of desperation. In his heart of hearts I think he realised he wasn’t going to turn things around. Football management appears to be a hugely stressful line of employment. I just wonder that with everything going on if he felt that it’s just not worth the hassle. I wouldn’t blame him if so. I can’t shake the image of him frustratedly offering his resignation following the game. Perhaps naively not expecting it to be accepted. Pure speculation, I know, but I can’t otherwise make sense of the timing of his departure. That's a different view but I don't think so due to the reasons people have stated here. I think this sacking was a very pro active,positive act if you can call a firing that.I'm not happy to see a man lose his job, but from our clubs point of view Wael has acted powerfully and with logic.It very unlike our club before. He gave Ben 30 odd games, and almost a year in charge,a good budget and let him build a completely new squad.He got longer than he would have at any other club.He couldnt make it work and our board acted, and BG can't argue it or make excuses. My hope is that thevstyle/type of football and youth vision that we talked about under BG is a club's core new identity and our next manager will continue with what we were hoping Ben would give us. I think you’re almost certainly correct. I just can’t shake the thought of him offering his resignation post-match purely out of frustration. Perhaps I’m giving him too much credit.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 15, 2020 17:15:51 GMT
He would never resign. Even at the end he couldn't find fault with with his own ability. His failure was everyone's else's decisions. Maybe one day when he can control his ego he.may understand why he failed in this job
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Post by Icegas on Nov 15, 2020 17:24:21 GMT
That's a different view but I don't think so due to the reasons people have stated here. I think this sacking was a very pro active,positive act if you can call a firing that.I'm not happy to see a man lose his job, but from our clubs point of view Wael has acted powerfully and with logic.It very unlike our club before. He gave Ben 30 odd games, and almost a year in charge,a good budget and let him build a completely new squad.He got longer than he would have at any other club.He couldnt make it work and our board acted, and BG can't argue it or make excuses. My hope is that thevstyle/type of football and youth vision that we talked about under BG is a club's core new identity and our next manager will continue with what we were hoping Ben would give us. I think you’re almost certainly correct. I just can’t shake the thought of him offering his resignation post-match purely out of frustration. Perhaps I’m giving him too much credit. The thing is the longer he stayed in the hotseat here the more damage he did to his future career as a coach as he will never get a manager's role in the English football league.I would have respected him and given him credit if he had handed his notice in and quit say before lockdown #1 as he knew he wasn't up to the job.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 15, 2020 18:05:01 GMT
Nope. Never offered an apology (until the end) let alone a resignation.
I think BG struggled because of the journey.
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