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Post by bluebiro on Dec 3, 2020 8:47:32 GMT
Garner and widdrington have left us in one big fk up.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Dec 3, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
So McCormick injured as well now. Wonder what we will do at Wimbledon shape and personnel wise if he is out for a number of games. Reading into what he said about the 3 at the back... can't see that being used again Thoughts? I thought the same, the last part of the interview definitely seemed to me to indicate he wasnt impressed with the 3 at the back. As far as Wimbledon goes if McCormick is out I'd like to see Hargreaves play, similar type of player and will give us energy & legs in midfield Yeah the holding midfield is an area of confusion to me. I think the likes of Ozzy, McCormick, Nicholson Daly and Hanlan are really starting to create.. I mean a tiny positive last night was 17 attempts albeit only a very small amount of these on target. We have had games previously with 6-7 attempts so it shows something. Last night we just got owned by a much more organised and physical team and now the whole league will know this (that's a worry). I sometimes wonder if putting Liddle/Hargreaves and Westbrooke in for Grant and Upson would add even more tempo/creativity and we just try to score more that we concede? I mean it isn't really working now anyway with the 2 CDM roles. Alternatively could someone in our squad just pick up the Josh Sheehan type role of tackling back then pivot and or pick a decent pass. I'm at a bit of a loss at to who we have that loves a tackle though... had hoped that McCormick might be able to play a bit deeper but looks like he's taken one knock too many now
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Post by justin blue on Dec 3, 2020 10:07:53 GMT
Garner and widdrington have left us in one big fk up. I can't see how any of this is Widdrington's fault. He was recruiting players for Garner. This is all on Garner letting players like Craig and Sercombe go and destroying Killgour's confidence.
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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 10:45:12 GMT
Garner and widdrington have left us in one big fk up. I can't see how any of this is Widdrington's fault. He was recruiting players for Garner. This is all on Garner letting players like Craig and Sercombe go and destroying Killgour's confidence. Interesting job Widdrinton has, seems to hold no responsibility. He does what he's told, gets promoted while BG gets the sack.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 10:47:18 GMT
I can't see how any of this is Widdrington's fault. He was recruiting players for Garner. This is all on Garner letting players like Craig and Sercombe go and destroying Killgour's confidence. Interesting job Widdrinton has, seems to hold no responsibility. He does what he's told, gets promoted while BG gets the sack. Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either.
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Post by justin blue on Dec 3, 2020 10:52:27 GMT
Interesting job Widdrinton has, seems to hold no responsibility. He does what he's told, gets promoted while BG gets the sack. Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either. Would you rather Widdrington had been sacked and Garner had been promoted to Director of football. Now that would have been interesting.
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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 10:52:50 GMT
Interesting job Widdrinton has, seems to hold no responsibility. He does what he's told, gets promoted while BG gets the sack. Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either. Teflon Tommy lol yep I think that will stick as well
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 3, 2020 10:55:03 GMT
Interesting job Widdrinton has, seems to hold no responsibility. He does what he's told, gets promoted while BG gets the sack. Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either. that's the bit I can't work out.even though garner had some input surely widdrington had the final say.asked the question before was garner a widdrington signing and the reason he backed him so much?just can't see any football guy allowing such a unbalanced squad to start a season when it was all to obvious to the fan base that there were gaping holes in certain positions
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Post by justin blue on Dec 3, 2020 11:07:27 GMT
Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either. that's the bit I can't work out.even though garner had some input surely widdrington had the final say.asked the question before was garner a widdrington signing and the reason he backed him so much?just can't see any football guy allowing such a unbalanced squad to start a season when it was all to obvious to the fan base that there were gaping holes in certain positions How do you think a scout works then?. Do you think he recruits players he likes regardless of whether the manager wants them in his team?. I don't pretend to know how it works, but my theory is that the manager tells the Scout the sort of player he wants and the scout recruits accordingly.
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Post by RD on Dec 3, 2020 11:11:51 GMT
that's the bit I can't work out.even though garner had some input surely widdrington had the final say.asked the question before was garner a widdrington signing and the reason he backed him so much?just can't see any football guy allowing such a unbalanced squad to start a season when it was all to obvious to the fan base that there were gaping holes in certain positions How do you think a scout works then?. Do you think he recruits players he likes regardless of whether the manager wants them in his team?. I don't pretend to know how it works, but my theory is that the manager tells the Scout the sort of player he wants and the scout recruits accordingly. In Garner's defence though, I doubt he said "Tommy, I'm after someone young and f**king useless. In fact, build me a squad of them please"
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Post by baggins on Dec 3, 2020 11:12:37 GMT
that's the bit I can't work out.even though garner had some input surely widdrington had the final say.asked the question before was garner a widdrington signing and the reason he backed him so much?just can't see any football guy allowing such a unbalanced squad to start a season when it was all to obvious to the fan base that there were gaping holes in certain positions How do you think a scout works then?. Do you think he recruits players he likes regardless of whether the manager wants them in his team?. I don't pretend to know how it works, but my theory is that the manager tells the Scout the sort of player he wants and the scout recruits accordingly. And then the Manager watches him, talks to him, assesses him, and then makes the decision to sign him or not? Is that how it goes?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 3, 2020 11:17:55 GMT
What concerns me is the lack of experience and leadership we signed and also lost in the summer was glaringly obvious. What is more concerning us the defence looked like it might be OK but seems to be a mess.
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Post by RD on Dec 3, 2020 11:18:49 GMT
Another good interview from Tisdale though IMO. I really do feel for him. I really think he's been shafted good and proper.
The bloke definitely needs a really fair crack at it - even if we lost every game from now until January I'd argue he deserves that window to try and address the clear areas we are lacking in so woefully.
Hopefully he can get a tune out of the current bunch in the meantime. But he's certainly got a challenge on his hands.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:18:50 GMT
Teflon Tommy: bad recruitment is not the fault of the head of recruitment. No I can’t work that one out either. Would you rather Widdrington had been sacked and Garner had been promoted to Director of football. Now that would have been interesting. Why is it either or? I wouldnt want either of them at the club after the recruitment this summer. Imo he wouldn’t get a job at Peterborough who have to be the gold standard for a club that identifies young players to sell on. They have to be who we want to emulate and as such we need the best we can afford in terms of scouting to make it work which, imo, we don’t have at the moment. People are saying this side is the worst they have seen yet the head of recruitment thinks it’s the best since promotion. I don’t see how you can easily disassociate yourself from it by blaming it all on the manager when you were part of the process of bringing those players to the club.
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Post by putterbishopston on Dec 3, 2020 11:19:09 GMT
No problem with recruiting these young players, that is a good thing!, the problem is letting them play in our first team and Garner's dismantling of what was our first team!, over to you PT!.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:19:45 GMT
that's the bit I can't work out.even though garner had some input surely widdrington had the final say.asked the question before was garner a widdrington signing and the reason he backed him so much?just can't see any football guy allowing such a unbalanced squad to start a season when it was all to obvious to the fan base that there were gaping holes in certain positions How do you think a scout works then?. Do you think he recruits players he likes regardless of whether the manager wants them in his team?. I don't pretend to know how it works, but my theory is that the manager tells the Scout the sort of player he wants and the scout recruits accordingly. Well the scout is looking in the wrong places then
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Post by justin blue on Dec 3, 2020 11:20:27 GMT
How do you think a scout works then?. Do you think he recruits players he likes regardless of whether the manager wants them in his team?. I don't pretend to know how it works, but my theory is that the manager tells the Scout the sort of player he wants and the scout recruits accordingly. And then the Manager watches him, talks to him, assesses him, and then makes the decision to sign him or not? Is that how it goes? Yeah that's near enough how I thought it worked .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
Another good interview from Tisdale though IMO. I really do feel for him. I really think he's been shafted good and proper. The bloke definitely needs a really fair crack at it - even if we lost every game from now until January I'd argue he deserves that window to try and address the clear areas we are lacking in so woefully. Hopefully he can get a tune out of the current bunch in the meantime. But he's certainly got a challenge on his hands. But this is where the recruitment has really gone badly wrong- who is going to want to help us clear room in the squad? We went balls deep on backing Garner to the point we have a bloated, unbalanced squad with players who have either under performed or aren’t up to it. The only wiggle room we have, it seems to me, is to recall our youngsters. They have looked hungry, as a collective, and the best we can probably hope for is that they raise the spirits of the current mob With the new regulations the days of Higgsy waving his cheque book on deadline day to fund a bid to stay up at all costs are long gone
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Post by RD on Dec 3, 2020 11:25:16 GMT
Another good interview from Tisdale though IMO. I really do feel for him. I really think he's been shafted good and proper. The bloke definitely needs a really fair crack at it - even if we lost every game from now until January I'd argue he deserves that window to try and address the clear areas we are lacking in so woefully. Hopefully he can get a tune out of the current bunch in the meantime. But he's certainly got a challenge on his hands. But this is where the recruitment has really gone badly wrong- who is going to want to help us clear room in the squad? We went balls deep on backing Garner to the point we have a bloated, unbalanced squad with players who have either under performed or aren’t up to it. The only wiggle room we have, it seems to me, is to recall our youngsters. They have looked hungry, as a collective, and the best we can probably hope for is that they raise the spirits of the current mob With the new regulations the days of Higgsy waving his cheque book on deadline day to fund a bid to stay up at all costs are long gone Not to mention they're all on long contracts. We really are f**ked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:33:52 GMT
But this is where the recruitment has really gone badly wrong- who is going to want to help us clear room in the squad? We went balls deep on backing Garner to the point we have a bloated, unbalanced squad with players who have either under performed or aren’t up to it. The only wiggle room we have, it seems to me, is to recall our youngsters. They have looked hungry, as a collective, and the best we can probably hope for is that they raise the spirits of the current mob With the new regulations the days of Higgsy waving his cheque book on deadline day to fund a bid to stay up at all costs are long gone Not to mention they're all on long contracts. We really are f**ked. How long is long though? If we’ve been giving three year contracts to unproven players then we really will deserve everything we get. All the lessons of previous years re: Garry Kenneth and relegation to the conference have not been learned. For me I’d much rather lose a JCH than give three year contracts to players like Bennett
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