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Post by Rod1883 on Dec 3, 2020 13:14:58 GMT
That's effectively what I said on the match thread last night - " TW can't be completely blameless it's true, but presumably he recruited to a specification given to him by BG and GC previously.
Now that TW is Director of Football I would think he has more say in the direction and type of player, rather than just recruiting the best of the type specified by the Manager?" But that’s just it- if your wording is accurate and he has recruited the best of a type, what does that say because we aren’t really best at anything apart from not winning? ...best of the type available and within our budget would have been a more accurate comment I accept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 13:30:11 GMT
But that’s just it- if your wording is accurate and he has recruited the best of a type, what does that say because we aren’t really best at anything apart from not winning? ...best of the type available and within our budget would have been a more accurate comment I accept. Fair point, one thing that has to be taken into account when flagging up the recruitment is the budget. I recall a poster saying that even with such a big squad It was cheaper than Coughlan’s players which sorta suggests the level we are operating at in terms of costs
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Post by TAGas on Dec 3, 2020 13:45:26 GMT
Another thing which is interesting. In training who are our defenders defending against? We currently have one striker currently fit who's not really that much experienced.
If a team comes at us with 4-3-3 assuming they play 3 centre forwards would be a nightmare
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Dec 3, 2020 13:46:57 GMT
I think Garner only had a say in three signings, Daly, Martinez, Koiki the only three he knew anything about. The rest were dumped on him by Widdrington and he had to go along with it. Don't blame the builder, blame the architects they draw up the plans. Hasn't it been reported that Garner prepared a powerpoint presentation for Westbrooke to convince him to sign, pretty impressive if he knew nothing about him signing ??
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 3, 2020 13:56:10 GMT
I think Garner only had a say in three signings, Daly, Martinez, Koiki the only three he knew anything about. The rest were dumped on him by Widdrington and he had to go along with it. Don't blame the builder, blame the architects they draw up the plans. More baseless accusations from you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:08:52 GMT
I think Garner only had a say in three signings, Daly, Martinez, Koiki the only three he knew anything about. The rest were dumped on him by Widdrington and he had to go along with it. Don't blame the builder, blame the architects they draw up the plans. Hasn't it been reported that Garner prepared a powerpoint presentation for Westbrooke to convince him to sign, pretty impressive if he knew nothing about him signing ?? Maybe he was told “we’ve got a lad coming in at 13:45, convince him to sign”? Who knows? Either way, there has to be joint accountability for the mess we’re in at the moment. Putting 100% of the blame on Garner seems like trying to treat the symptom without treating the cause. Treating the cause goes right up to board level and the efficacy of this new strategy and whether we had everything in place to pull it off in the first place or (as I suspect) whether we’ve rushed into it doing too much too soon and made a pigs ear of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 16:00:09 GMT
Hasn't it been reported that Garner prepared a powerpoint presentation for Westbrooke to convince him to sign, pretty impressive if he knew nothing about him signing ?? Maybe he was told “we’ve got a lad coming in at 13:45, convince him to sign”? Who knows? Either way, there has to be joint accountability for the mess we’re in at the moment. Putting 100% of the blame on Garner seems like trying to treat the symptom without treating the cause. Treating the cause goes right up to board level and the efficacy of this new strategy and whether we had everything in place to pull it off in the first place or (as I suspect) whether we’ve rushed into it doing too much too soon and made a pigs ear of it. Stop bringing facts into it please.
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Post by alanrg on Dec 3, 2020 16:13:24 GMT
Noticed Tommy Widdrington is on having a gas on Radio Bristol tonight
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Post by TAGas on Dec 3, 2020 16:30:35 GMT
Hopefully he fills us in on the plan for January. Other than that I can't see what he can tell us that we don't know already.
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Post by theduke on Dec 3, 2020 19:32:38 GMT
Hasn't it been reported that Garner prepared a powerpoint presentation for Westbrooke to convince him to sign, pretty impressive if he knew nothing about him signing ?? Maybe he was told “we’ve got a lad coming in at 13:45, convince him to sign”? Who knows? Either way, there has to be joint accountability for the mess we’re in at the moment. Putting 100% of the blame on Garner seems like trying to treat the symptom without treating the cause. Treating the cause goes right up to board level and the efficacy of this new strategy and whether we had everything in place to pull it off in the first place or (as I suspect) whether we’ve rushed into it doing too much too soon and made a pigs ear of it. Not a fan of Garner's, but this isn't really fair. From what's known Westbrooke was very much his signing and somebody who the team was going to be built around.
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Post by theduke on Dec 3, 2020 19:33:44 GMT
Noticed Tommy Widdrington is on having a gas on Radio Bristol tonight Hope he's asked why a loss-making business has 4 left backs on the books...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 3, 2020 19:36:36 GMT
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Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 3, 2020 19:43:27 GMT
I'm not sure whether Garner or Widdringtoin are exclusively to blame for the accumulation of these inept players. I suspect both are to blame for the squad composition and Garner's managerial competence of that squad was there for all to see.
Tisdale has inherited a mess. Give him time to clean things up.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Dec 3, 2020 19:48:32 GMT
Hasn't it been reported that Garner prepared a powerpoint presentation for Westbrooke to convince him to sign, pretty impressive if he knew nothing about him signing ?? Maybe he was told “we’ve got a lad coming in at 13:45, convince him to sign”? Who knows? Either way, there has to be joint accountability for the mess we’re in at the moment. Putting 100% of the blame on Garner seems like trying to treat the symptom without treating the cause. Treating the cause goes right up to board level and the efficacy of this new strategy and whether we had everything in place to pull it off in the first place or (as I suspect) whether we’ve rushed into it doing too much too soon and made a pigs ear of it. I dont disagree there has to be accountability with the head of recruitment as well as the manager. I just dont buy it that of all the players signed in the last two windows Garner was only aware of 3 of them. Are we seriously to believe that all these players who claimed to have been sold a project by BG were solely recruited by someone other than the person they were going to play for ? I don't believe that for a second
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 20:05:50 GMT
Maybe he was told “we’ve got a lad coming in at 13:45, convince him to sign”? Who knows? Either way, there has to be joint accountability for the mess we’re in at the moment. Putting 100% of the blame on Garner seems like trying to treat the symptom without treating the cause. Treating the cause goes right up to board level and the efficacy of this new strategy and whether we had everything in place to pull it off in the first place or (as I suspect) whether we’ve rushed into it doing too much too soon and made a pigs ear of it. I dont disagree there has to be accountability with the head of recruitment as well as the manager. I just dont buy it that of all the players signed in the last two windows Garner was only aware of 3 of them. Are we seriously to believe that all these players who claimed to have been sold a project by BG were solely recruited by someone other than the person they were going to play for ? I don't believe that for a second I’m not saying you should! I’m just keeping an open mind on the narrative that Garner chose all the players and everything is his fault. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was a far more even split between players TW thought would be a good fit and the ones Garner wanted. Don’t forget since Coughlan left the club has had a strategy it wants the manager to fit into, Garner wasn’t given free reign to do what he wanted, Garner was selected to work within the club’s parameters hence the club being in a position to say “we think these players would fit what you are trying to do” if there were ones that it was thought would fit the ethos of the new strategy that Garner had not necessarily heard of. The club basically supplying some of the tools for Garner to use. But anyway, it’s all conjecture, I just don’t see it that every problem the club has right now is all Garner’s fault.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Dec 3, 2020 20:22:08 GMT
I dont disagree there has to be accountability with the head of recruitment as well as the manager. I just dont buy it that of all the players signed in the last two windows Garner was only aware of 3 of them. Are we seriously to believe that all these players who claimed to have been sold a project by BG were solely recruited by someone other than the person they were going to play for ? I don't believe that for a second I’m not saying you should! I’m just keeping an open mind on the narrative that Garner chose all the players and everything is his fault. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was a far more even split between players TW thought would be a good fit and the ones Garner wanted. Don’t forget since Coughlan left the club has had a strategy it wants the manager to fit into, Garner wasn’t given free reign to do what he wanted, Garner was selected to work within the club’s parameters hence the club being in a position to say “we think these players would fit what you are trying to do” if there were ones that it was thought would fit the ethos of the new strategy that Garner had not necessarily heard of. The club basically supplying some of the tools for Garner to use. But anyway, it’s all conjecture, I just don’t see it that every problem the club has right now is all Garner’s fault. I'm not disagreeing with you it makes perfect sense that BG was recruited with a certain type of player in mind. The original post claimed that BG only knew of 3 of the players that came in, that's the part I'm struggling to get my head around.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 3, 2020 20:30:49 GMT
Noticed Tommy Widdrington is on having a gas on Radio Bristol tonight Hope he's asked why a loss-making business has 4 left backs on the books... He asked that exact question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 20:34:24 GMT
Hope he's asked why a loss-making business has 4 left backs on the books... He asked that exact question. He asked, or was asked?
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Post by socrates on Dec 3, 2020 20:34:53 GMT
Another good interview from Tisdale though IMO. I really do feel for him. I really think he's been shafted good and proper. The bloke definitely needs a really fair crack at it - even if we lost every game from now until January I'd argue he deserves that window to try and address the clear areas we are lacking in so woefully. Hopefully he can get a tune out of the current bunch in the meantime. But he's certainly got a challenge on his hands. I don’t know if he’s been shafted though. Surely he would have watched Our games, whilst thinking about taking the job ? I’m surprised he said he didn’t even know the players names in his first post match interview. Seems strange for a football manager to take a job without having a basic insight to the club and it’s players, it’s almost as if he wasn’t prepared for what he was going to take on if that’s the case. I’m not knocking him it’s just that I think something doesn’t add up.
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Post by RD on Dec 3, 2020 20:38:25 GMT
Another good interview from Tisdale though IMO. I really do feel for him. I really think he's been shafted good and proper. The bloke definitely needs a really fair crack at it - even if we lost every game from now until January I'd argue he deserves that window to try and address the clear areas we are lacking in so woefully. Hopefully he can get a tune out of the current bunch in the meantime. But he's certainly got a challenge on his hands. I don’t know if he’s been shafted though. Surely he would have watched Our games, whilst thinking about taking the job ? I’m surprised he said he didn’t even know the players names in his first post match interview. Seems strange for a football manager to take a job without having a basic insight to the club and it’s players, it’s almost as if he wasn’t prepared for what he was going to take on if that’s the case. I’m not knocking him it’s just that I think something doesn’t add up. Good points - hard to disagree
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