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Post by pucklegas on Nov 21, 2020 22:01:40 GMT
Well we are chasing the game and brings two defenders on, I am still bewildered and we have 2.5 years of this, should have been a years deal, unless the wing backs play high up the pitch we have effectively 5 defenders and two holding midfielders, hardly attractive attacking football.
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Post by LJG on Nov 21, 2020 22:30:36 GMT
It was more the timing for me. There were 3 minutes left! Even if he'd brought Ronaldo on, what impact is he expecting in 3 minutes?
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Post by eastgas on Nov 21, 2020 22:59:03 GMT
It was clear we needed to make our changes in the 50th minute. Why it took so long to make the first change let alone the double is bewildering. I have no problem with the personnel changes as I think I can see what he was trying to acheive it’s the timing that he got wrong. I think we should of used oztumer and Hargreaves also to add some creativity and directness into the side.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:05:46 GMT
Oh well it was his first game - hardly had time to remember players names , cut him some slack ! Utg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 23:11:00 GMT
Oh well it was his first game - hardly had time to remember players names , cut him some slack ! Utg Sorry but I can’t agree with this, surely absolutely ridiculous subs don’t matter how long you’ve been here? I’d like to think he’s been in the game long enough to know when you need a goal that you might require something other than a centre half, unless you are pumping it long and playing him as a makeshift CF
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:18:00 GMT
He obviously had his reasons - I’m just saying let’s not be too critical - just yet. .utg 💙
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 23:19:23 GMT
He obviously had his reasons - I’m just saying let’s not be too critical - just yet. .utg 💙 Oh he absolutely needs some time And deserves our support, only concern for me is that this is exactly what a lot of Exeter and MK Dons fans told us to expect and we’ve seen it on game one against a really really poor Swindon team. Let’s hope that this isn’t the norm going forward.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:23:41 GMT
Agreed
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Post by james246 on Nov 22, 2020 0:39:39 GMT
Well we are chasing the game and brings two defenders on, I am still bewildered and we have 2.5 years of this, should have been a years deal, unless the wing backs play high up the pitch we have effectively 5 defenders and two holding midfielders, hardly attractive attacking football. I doubt that the current manager had much to do with selection, formation, or substitutions for this match, he does not their names let alone their attributes as players.
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Post by axegas on Nov 22, 2020 0:48:03 GMT
It was like he didn’t know the squad very well which I suppose is understandable given the limited time he’s had with the squad, do feel with 5 subs, Oztumer should have got on the pitch at some point though.
On Tuesday, Oztumer and Westbrooke have to start over McCormick and Upson otherwise we won’t create enough chances going forward. I think we also need to start with 4 at the back, 5 at the back hasn’t worked and makes us look vulnerable when the wingbacks are caught out of position.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 0:48:51 GMT
Well we are chasing the game and brings two defenders on, I am still bewildered and we have 2.5 years of this, should have been a years deal, unless the wing backs play high up the pitch we have effectively 5 defenders and two holding midfielders, hardly attractive attacking football. I doubt that the current manager had much to do with selection, formation, or substitutions for this match, he does not their names let alone their attributes as players. Sorry but no, he is a manager and has over 20 years experience we keep getting told. It’s his first game so I can’t blame him for the performance but these are his subs, he was giving them the tactical advice before he bought them on. If they weren’t his subs then surely he can say to a coach “why are you bringing a centre half on when we need goals”
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 22, 2020 1:24:57 GMT
It was like he didn’t know the squad very well which I suppose is understandable given the limited time he’s had with the squad, do feel with 5 subs, Daly and Oztumer should have got on the pitch at some point though. On Tuesday, Oztumer and Westbrooke have to start over McCormick and Upson otherwise we won’t create enough chances going forward. I think we also need to start with 4 at the back, 5 at the back hasn’t worked and makes us look vulnerable when the wingbacks are caught out of position. Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc.
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Post by axegas on Nov 22, 2020 1:30:24 GMT
It was like he didn’t know the squad very well which I suppose is understandable given the limited time he’s had with the squad, do feel with 5 subs, Daly and Oztumer should have got on the pitch at some point though. On Tuesday, Oztumer and Westbrooke have to start over McCormick and Upson otherwise we won’t create enough chances going forward. I think we also need to start with 4 at the back, 5 at the back hasn’t worked and makes us look vulnerable when the wingbacks are caught out of position. Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc. Thanks pal, forgot that for a moment there. I notice JML and Rodman weren’t on the bench either, we’ve normally got a few decent attacking options on the bench but not yesterday.
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Post by playtowin on Nov 22, 2020 2:30:55 GMT
It was like he didn’t know the squad very well which I suppose is understandable given the limited time he’s had with the squad, do feel with 5 subs, Daly and Oztumer should have got on the pitch at some point though. On Tuesday, Oztumer and Westbrooke have to start over McCormick and Upson otherwise we won’t create enough chances going forward. I think we also need to start with 4 at the back, 5 at the back hasn’t worked and makes us look vulnerable when the wingbacks are caught out of position. Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc. Oz played well against a very average league 2 club but has been poor in the league games he has featured in (overall) for whatever reason he is currently not the player he was. People should remember his current form not what he was years ago. He is on loan here and not in his parent clubs first team for a reason. That said there was no harm in him playing upfront with Hanlan in the 442 we briefly played.
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Post by RD on Nov 22, 2020 6:47:07 GMT
Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc. Oz played well against a very average league 2 club but has been poor in the league games he has featured in (overall) for whatever reason he is currently not the player he was. People should remember his current form not what he was years ago. He is on loan here and not in his parent clubs first team for a reason. That said there was no harm in him playing upfront with Hanlan in the 442 we briefly played. Even if Oztumer had lost both legs in a freak accident on the way to the game yesterday, he still should have started over Upson.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2020 7:43:26 GMT
Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc. Oz played well against a very average league 2 club but has been poor in the league games he has featured in (overall) for whatever reason he is currently not the player he was. People should remember his current form not what he was years ago. He is on loan here and not in his parent clubs first team for a reason. That said there was no harm in him playing upfront with Hanlan in the 442 we briefly played. Oztumer also played well at Shrewsbury? If he can't out perform what was on the pitch yesterday you do have to wonder why we signed him, and also how he managed to get into Charlton's first team before he signed for Rovers. As far as Tisdale not knowing the players names, how hard was it for him to watch a couple of our games on iFollow?
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 22, 2020 8:16:42 GMT
These are the games that the experience of players like ogogo and Rodman would have at least achieved a point. Ogogo we can't get back until jan but how far off is Rodman from being back in the squad?
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 22, 2020 8:59:53 GMT
3mins left makes no sense at all ! Theys no sense to it how ever long he been here . You can use 5 subs now why not use them ? Ok I forgot we were playing so well with are 1 shot on target !
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Post by northridinggas on Nov 22, 2020 9:34:40 GMT
Daly wasn't on the bench he couldn't play. We were left with one for striker, who was already playing. I agree Oztumer should have came on. But for all we know, he might not have felt right warming up etc. Oz played well against a very average league 2 club but has been poor in the league games he has featured in (overall) for whatever reason he is currently not the player he was. People should remember his current form not what he was years ago. He is on loan here and not in his parent clubs first team for a reason. That said there was no harm in him playing upfront with Hanlan in the 442 we briefly played. Important to remember though that in the other games Otzumer came on we were by then sitting so deep that he was having to pick up the ball just in front of our defenders. I don't think Messi could create something from there.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 22, 2020 9:45:57 GMT
So for me, I like the Darrell Clarke ruthless style of management - make your substitutions whenever you like - do it in the 20th minute if you need to. So I was disappointed with the timing and manner of the substitutions too.
I’m not defending this mindset just suggesting it - PT needs to suss out the players so might have been holding off to figure out who’s who. See who can perform. I don’t like a mid season games being treated as a pre season game but I can certainly understand a new manager doing it that way.
He also could have been working under the direction of the coaching staff, and could have effectively put them in charge.
So many what ifs. The only certainty is that he’s a new manager and doesn’t know the players. Let’s not hammer into him until he’s had a couple of games to suss out the club.
Garner was apparently waiting in the wings for the position and had been watching our games. There was also about three games in the interim between the position becoming available and him being appointed. The Tisdale situation seems a lot more whirlwind and less likely for him to get to know the squad. It’s also not like he’s been in the club or played against this squad having been managing a club against us to give him at least a basic understanding of our strengths and weaknesses
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