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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 22, 2020 10:17:03 GMT
It was clear we needed to make our changes in the 50th minute. Why it took so long to make the first change let alone the double is bewildering. Fair enough post with the benefit of hindsight, but there was a formation change at half time where we reverted to a back 4 and diamond in midfield.....I think (with hindsight) PT was allowing for time for that change to bed in. And it looked to temporarily work. We looked more balanced. So then, he kept the shape by subbing Westbrooke for the uncomfortable in new role, Harries..... I thought this reinforced PT confidence he had made the correct change at the correct time...... until we unluckily conceded. Don't understand why Balders was brought on (?), it's difficult to see when not actually there, but it appeared Baldwin wasn't in his familiar centre back role.... happy to be corrected, but that's what it looked to me at the time... |
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 22, 2020 10:51:09 GMT
If that starting eleven was the best we could put out then I would suggest Tommy sold PT a dummy yesterday. Kilgour is awful, Harries looks like he is in a dream half the time. Personally I think Grant looks the best defender when he is back so perhaps start with him and Ehmer with Little and Koki as full backs. Certainly needs a shake up and unfortunately although I like Upson he does not have the energy or seemingly the willingness to move quickly and forward. Play Nicholson out wide with three midfielders- Westbrooke, Oztumer and McCormick and a front two of Hanlan and Mitchell Lawson.Some will say we dont have a ball winner in the midfield but after what I have seen this season there is no point trying to play the way we have been with a ball winner who doesnt very often win the ball! Lets take the game to Wigan like we should have done yesterday against the worst Swindon team I have ever seen.
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Post by socrates on Nov 22, 2020 10:52:52 GMT
3mins left makes no sense at all ! Theys no sense to it how ever long he been here . You can use 5 subs now why not use them ? Ok I forgot we were playing so well with are 1 shot on target ! I would have made 2 subs at half time. And probably all 5 by the end of the game. We were that bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 12:23:44 GMT
Oz played well against a very average league 2 club but has been poor in the league games he has featured in (overall) for whatever reason he is currently not the player he was. People should remember his current form not what he was years ago. He is on loan here and not in his parent clubs first team for a reason. That said there was no harm in him playing upfront with Hanlan in the 442 we briefly played. Oztumer also played well at Shrewsbury? If he can't out perform what was on the pitch yesterday you do have to wonder why we signed him, and also how he managed to get into Charlton's first team before he signed for Rovers. As far as Tisdale not knowing the players names, how hard was it for him to watch a couple of our games on iFollow? For someone who likes to take full control of a club and has 20 years experience you would think he would keep his knowledge of the league’s players current while out of the game. I’d be a bit disturbed if he at the very least didn’t know Oztumer was a creative midfielder who would be a more positive change when chasing a game, especially with so many subs. |
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Post by madgas on Nov 22, 2020 14:34:16 GMT
There has been for some time a danger of:
Those who previously defended Garner or Coughlin being a little tied to that mast.
I didnt think Garner should be sacked but he was so we move on. I think Tisdale was the second best of the obvious appointments (Cook was first choice). Thats not a dig- we rarely get the second best.
I didnt expect subs to be the great element of PTs game. Ill reserve judgement until at least 5 games.
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Post by utg4eva on Nov 22, 2020 14:55:26 GMT
We have to give him time otherwise what is next? Another sacking? That would be 4 managers in around 12 months.
Have the board got a plan? At the moment we have a new manager with 50% of GC back staff, 50% of BG back staff and 10 TW signings made to fit BG style
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 22, 2020 18:59:34 GMT
We have to give him time otherwise what is next? Another sacking? That would be 4 managers in around 12 months. Have the board got a plan? At the moment we have a new manager with 50% of GC back staff, 50% of BG back staff and 10 TW signings made to fit BG style Of course he needs time to assess the merits or otherwise of the players at his disposal. But not too much time! He will need to assess the character of each player and those who are not up for the fight are simply surplus to requirements. That will reduce the number of players at his disposal. PT needs a team of battlers for a relegation fight. Gaps in the squad need to be addressed in the window. I didn't expect anything more than mid table this season but the lamentable point accumulation to date is patently unacceptable. Bearing in mind the new manager was watching on Saturday, a significant number of players did their career prospects no good whatsoever. I'm realistic enough to accept our shortcomings against teams at the top end of the table but we should not be capitulating to teams like Swindon. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2020 19:07:47 GMT
There has been for some time a danger of: Those who previously defended Garner or Coughlin being a little tied to that mast. I didnt think Garner should be sacked but he was so we move on. I think Tisdale was the second best of the obvious appointments (Cook was first choice). Thats not a dig- we rarely get the second best. I didnt expect subs to be the great element of PTs game. Ill reserve judgement until at least 5 games. According to Reuters www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-soccer-england-idUSL5N2CG5Y3 Championship managers average wage is £875K given that Cook was only recently interviewed for the City job, who I assume would pay at least the average manager's wage, was he really ever going to consider joining us where he'd be lucky to earn £150K and also expected to work with BG's coaching staff. It's pretty obvious Tisdale was always the only real genuine choice. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2020 19:12:10 GMT
We have to give him time otherwise what is next? Another sacking? That would be 4 managers in around 12 months. Have the board got a plan? At the moment we have a new manager with 50% of GC back staff, 50% of BG back staff and 10 TW signings made to fit BG style Of course he needs time to assess the merits or otherwise of the players at his disposal. But not too much time! He will need to assess the character of each player and those who are not up for the fight are simply surplus to requirements. That will reduce the number of players at his disposal. PT needs a team of battlers for a relegation fight. Gaps in the squad need to be addressed in the window. I didn't expect anything more than mid table this season but the lamentable point accumulation to date is patently unacceptable. Bearing in mind the new manager was watching on Saturday, a significant number of players did their career prospects no good whatsoever. I'm realistic enough to accept our shortcomings against teams at the top end of the table but we should not be capitulating to teams like Swindon. So you think it's going to be easy moving on youngsters on 2+ year contracts, I can't see there will be a queue for ex Championship players who've failed to make the grade with us? Plus what message does it send out to other youngsters if we're showing them the door after just half a season? I wonder if relegation is the price Wael's prepared to pay for the "vision" he's trying to create at Rovers. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 22, 2020 19:14:39 GMT
There was no way Paul Cook would come here. We wouldn't accommodate his wage demands and in any case he considers himself a Championship manager. In all liklihood he will end up at a Championship club before too long.
Very few managers willingly drop down a division - unless there are overwhelming family reasons.....
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Post by socrates on Nov 22, 2020 19:17:21 GMT
Oztumer also played well at Shrewsbury? If he can't out perform what was on the pitch yesterday you do have to wonder why we signed him, and also how he managed to get into Charlton's first team before he signed for Rovers. As far as Tisdale not knowing the players names, how hard was it for him to watch a couple of our games on iFollow? For someone who likes to take full control of a club and has 20 years experience you would think he would keep his knowledge of the league’s players current while out of the game. I’d be a bit disturbed if he at the very least didn’t know Oztumer was a creative midfielder who would be a more positive change when chasing a game, especially with so many subs. That’s what I thought . Not knowing the players names is a pretty lame excuse. He should know all the players and their positions regardless of whether he’s been here 48 hours or not. If your a lower league manager looking to get back in to work you do your homework or your not ready. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 22, 2020 19:25:15 GMT
Of course he needs time to assess the merits or otherwise of the players at his disposal. But not too much time! He will need to assess the character of each player and those who are not up for the fight are simply surplus to requirements. That will reduce the number of players at his disposal. PT needs a team of battlers for a relegation fight. Gaps in the squad need to be addressed in the window. I didn't expect anything more than mid table this season but the lamentable point accumulation to date is patently unacceptable. Bearing in mind the new manager was watching on Saturday, a significant number of players did their career prospects no good whatsoever. I'm realistic enough to accept our shortcomings against teams at the top end of the table but we should not be capitulating to teams like Swindon. So you think it's going to be easy moving on youngsters on 2+ year contracts, I can't see there will be a queue for ex Championship players who've failed to make the grade with us? Plus what message does it send out to other youngsters if we're showing them the door after just half a season? I wonder if relegation is the price Wael's prepared to pay for the "vision" he's trying to create at Rovers. I don't think it will be easy to move on these players. I never said it would be. I said that the position we find ourselves in after just 12 games is that of a club in serious relegation danger. What I stand by is my assertion that PT needs to look at the existing squad and only consider those players up for the fight. Make no bones about it, we will need to fight because at present we are scoring very few goals and as a result find ourselves constantly under pressure. i cannot envisage a situation whereby relegation is acceptable in order to progress the "vision". Unless of course the EPL is intending to introduce parachute payments to relegated L1 clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 19:52:54 GMT
For someone who likes to take full control of a club and has 20 years experience you would think he would keep his knowledge of the league’s players current while out of the game. I’d be a bit disturbed if he at the very least didn’t know Oztumer was a creative midfielder who would be a more positive change when chasing a game, especially with so many subs. That’s what I thought . Not knowing the players names is a pretty lame excuse. He should know all the players and their positions regardless of whether he’s been here 48 hours or not. If your a lower league manager looking to get back in to work you do your homework or your not ready. Moreso when you have a profile like Tisdale eg his reputation is that of a scholar of the lower leagues than a Coughlan type, so you would think he of all people would be more prepared than he seemed to be. When you add that to the comments by the MK Dons and Exeter fans it does make me wonder how much research the board did into how Tisdale operates. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2020 20:15:00 GMT
That’s what I thought . Not knowing the players names is a pretty lame excuse. He should know all the players and their positions regardless of whether he’s been here 48 hours or not. If your a lower league manager looking to get back in to work you do your homework or your not ready. Moreso when you have a profile like Tisdale eg his reputation is that of a scholar of the lower leagues than a Coughlan type, so you would think he of all people would be more prepared than he seemed to be. When you add that to the comments by the MK Dons and Exeter fans it does make me wonder how much research the board did into how Tisdale operates. All two(?) of them and we don't even know if they were genuine fans, PT's got enough on his CV to suggest he's capable of managing an L1 side, whether he can sort out the mess left behind by BG is another matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 20:26:42 GMT
Moreso when you have a profile like Tisdale eg his reputation is that of a scholar of the lower leagues than a Coughlan type, so you would think he of all people would be more prepared than he seemed to be. When you add that to the comments by the MK Dons and Exeter fans it does make me wonder how much research the board did into how Tisdale operates. All two(?) of them and we don't even know if they were genuine fans, PT's got enough on his CV to suggest he's capable of managing an L1 side, whether he can sort out the mess left behind by BG is another matter. I read the threads on the Exeter and MK Dons forums. It’s interesting how some of what they said seemed to crop up in the game management on Saturday, particularly subs made too late and the route one stuff. As I’ve said before I find it interesting that he’s not very popular amongst Exeter fans despite, on paper, being their DC. Ah well, we have to see what he can do over a period of time, of course, but it seems to be a possibility going by fans that his reputation has been embellished somewhat. Mind you at this point in time I think I’d quite welcome being a team that just wins games, if Tisdale does it the long ball way. |
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Post by biggles on Nov 22, 2020 20:37:22 GMT
i started watching the pirates as we were called then after the world cup 1966
i was 17 at the time so it was eastville our home ground
we were poor then and we are poor now
but in between i've had great memories of beluved club
managers may come and go but we supporters are there for life
bert tann .fred ford bill dogin etc you know what i mean
singing bristol rovers all the way
i've spent many time in my youth going away to watch the team
like most of you followers do now
would i change a thing NO!
its the rovers thing we have all got inside us although i dont need to tell any pirate that
win or lose we are bristol rovers never forget that
in the last few years it hasn't worked out right for us but tell me how many teams it has
i am an oldtimer in todays modern world,there a lot of changes that has happened in the game i dont like
to get down to the real nitty gritty
we need a stadium.this bollocks about bringing on players on to sell is crap
if we mean business and to proceed we have to be self sufficient
dont give me this crap about how can we survive without this being possible
the 20 million debt has been written off. so invest it in the right areas
p.tisdale has to be given a fair chance
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Post by Qatar Gas on Nov 23, 2020 8:43:42 GMT
I wonder at what point PT was contacted by the board regarding the available position? I guess it was pretty early on in the week.
Therefore you would like to think he watched Wednesday's game and at some point before Saturday I would like to think he at least had some time to watch back the last couple of games as well.
I understand that a new manager might not know the players names or know what their best positions are when taking over mid way through the season. But you would like to have thought they would be trying their best to re watch as many previous games as possible. It would be pretty criminal to think he hadn't seen any of our games before Saturday and if he hadn't, I am not sure what the support staff on the bench were saying to him.
Anyway, I hope he spends his evenings this week watching as many games from this season as possible. That will go a long way in getting a better understanding of what's available to him.
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Post by pirate on Nov 23, 2020 10:36:54 GMT
I wonder at what point PT was contacted by the board regarding the available position? I guess it was pretty early on in the week. Therefore you would like to think he watched Wednesday's game and at some point before Saturday I would like to think he at least had some time to watch back the last couple of games as well. I understand that a new manager might not know the players names or know what their best positions are when taking over mid way through the season. But you would like to have thought they would be trying their best to re watch as many previous games as possible. It would be pretty criminal to think he hadn't seen any of our games before Saturday and if he hadn't, I am not sure what the support staff on the bench were saying to him. Anyway, I hope he spends his evenings this week watching as many games from this season as possible. That will go a long way in getting a better understanding of what's available to him. I'm reminded of when Leeds director of football Victor Orta approached Marcelo Bielsa to become their manager. Within 24 hours he had watched 10 Leeds games. "When he (Orta) spoke to him the next day, Marcelo had already seen ten games, he already knew the players..." www.besoccer.com/new/bielsa-s-madness-before-signing-with-leeds-in-one-day-he-watched-ten-games-910830 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 10:50:13 GMT
I wonder at what point PT was contacted by the board regarding the available position? I guess it was pretty early on in the week. Therefore you would like to think he watched Wednesday's game and at some point before Saturday I would like to think he at least had some time to watch back the last couple of games as well. I understand that a new manager might not know the players names or know what their best positions are when taking over mid way through the season. But you would like to have thought they would be trying their best to re watch as many previous games as possible. It would be pretty criminal to think he hadn't seen any of our games before Saturday and if he hadn't, I am not sure what the support staff on the bench were saying to him. Anyway, I hope he spends his evenings this week watching as many games from this season as possible. That will go a long way in getting a better understanding of what's available to him. I'm reminded of when Leeds director of football Victor Orta approached Marcelo Bielsa to become their manager. Within 24 hours he had watched 10 Leeds games. "When he (Orta) spoke to him the next day, Marcelo had already seen ten games, he already knew the players..." www.besoccer.com/new/bielsa-s-madness-before-signing-with-leeds-in-one-day-he-watched-ten-games-910830Good point, you’d think with the accessibility of games he could have taken a training session and spent Friday evening watching at least our two previous league games to get a feel for who the players are. I guess what bothers me most about the situation is that Saturday was a 6 pointer, to have the managerial situation in such flux going into it where the manager didn’t know who could do what was not ideal |
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Post by titchthephot on Nov 23, 2020 11:09:53 GMT
And if he had watched 10 video's of Nichols this season he would probably thought he was worth signing!! We have 3 strikers and 2 are off injured so I am not sure what else he could have done without getting to know the team. Look at all the opinions of players on this Forum..we all see different things in different players and so it must be the same for the manager. He was always going to be led by the existing staff's opinions so let's give PT chance before we hang, draw and quarter him! Obviously 10 games was not suitable for BG so can we give PT 5 games to see how he does?
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