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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 10:36:14 GMT
A record is only a record once it is fixed. Two of PTs wins have come against Orient and Darlington. Makes the stats look good but cost us Anssi and Daly to injury. If Garner had played full strength teams in the trophy he may have 3 or 4 more wins and the record looks better but at what expense to the squad. I only looked at his League record, statistically he is the third worst League manager in our history both with win percentage and points per game. The only worse than him are Dave Penney and Martin Dobson. PT isn't far in front but is yet to have one full transfer window as opposed to two. Out of interest where does he sit taking this seasons league games? Also where does PT sit (acknowledging no full window yet)
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 12:07:39 GMT
I only looked at his League record, statistically he is the third worst League manager in our history both with win percentage and points per game. The only worse than him are Dave Penney and Martin Dobson. PT isn't far in front but is yet to have one full transfer window as opposed to two. Out of interest where does he sit taking this seasons league games? Also where does PT sit (acknowledging no full window yet) Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2021 12:32:32 GMT
Out of interest where does he sit taking this seasons league games? Also where does PT sit (acknowledging no full window yet) Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
The bit that worries me is that Tisdales win % at this level before he joined us was 31%. He is currently averaging 30% after 10 games, which is his managerial ability average. In an average season you need a 36% win ratio to stay up. So unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, we are favourites for relelgation. It also begs the question why the hell we employed a manager who has twice failed at this level bar 1 good season.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 12:48:39 GMT
Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
The bit that worries me is that Tisdales win % at this level before he joined us was 31%. He is currently averaging 30% after 10 games, which is his managerial ability average. In an average season you need a 36% win ratio to stay up. So unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, we are favourites for relelgation. It also begs the question why the hell we employed a manager who has twice failed at this level bar 1 good season. Win parentage is slightly misleading, the PPG stats are more important.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 12:55:59 GMT
The bit that worries me is that Tisdales win % at this level before he joined us was 31%. He is currently averaging 30% after 10 games, which is his managerial ability average. In an average season you need a 36% win ratio to stay up. So unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, we are favourites for relelgation. It also begs the question why the hell we employed a manager who has twice failed at this level bar 1 good season. Win parentage is slightly misleading, the PPG stats are more important. 46 sends you down then
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 13:03:48 GMT
The bit that worries me is that Tisdales win % at this level before he joined us was 31%. He is currently averaging 30% after 10 games, which is his managerial ability average. In an average season you need a 36% win ratio to stay up. So unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, we are favourites for relelgation. It also begs the question why the hell we employed a manager who has twice failed at this level bar 1 good season. Win parentage is slightly misleading, the PPG stats are more important. So on current form, this season, we sacked a manager with 1.27ppg including playing 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th??
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 13:04:55 GMT
Out of interest where does he sit taking this seasons league games? Also where does PT sit (acknowledging no full window yet) Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
If you can name 23 players Garner signed I will genuinely be impressed
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 13:17:10 GMT
Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
If you can name 23 players Garner signed I will genuinely be impressed 1. Josh Barrett, 2. James Daly, 3. Cian Harries, 4. Jayden Mitchell-Lawson, 5. Josh Ginnelly, 6. Jamal Blackman, 7. Timmy Abraham, 8. Josh Grant, 9. Jack Baldwin, 10. Max Ehmer, 11. Sam Nicholson, 12. Jonah Ayunga, 13. Zain Westbrooke, 14. Pablo Martinez, 15. David Tutonda, 16. Brandon Hanlan, 17. Ben Liddle, 18. Ryan Jones, 19. Ali Koiki, 20. Luke McCormick, 21. Erhun Oztumer, 22. Jayden Mitchell-Lawson again.
Apologies, I counted Day and Williams in my initial number.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 13:18:04 GMT
Win parentage is slightly misleading, the PPG stats are more important. So on current form, this season, we sacked a manager with 1.27ppg including playing 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th?? They're both crap.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 26, 2021 13:36:23 GMT
Tisdale seems more concerned with his image than anything else. Is there no end to the number of hats he owns?
MK plastics were mightily relieved when he was sacked from there. His style of play was described variously as boring, defensive and unimaginative.
We’re in for another hammering this evening. I think I’ll save my tenner and listen to the inevitable thrashing on Radio Bristol. The most exciting moment is sure to be when the ex-programme editor does his second half birthday dedications.
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 13:40:20 GMT
If you can name 23 players Garner signed I will genuinely be impressed 1. Josh Barrett, 2. James Daly, 3. Cian Harries, 4. Jayden Mitchell-Lawson, 5. Josh Ginnelly, 6. Jamal Blackman, 7. Timmy Abraham, 8. Josh Grant, 9. Jack Baldwin, 10. Max Ehmer, 11. Sam Nicholson, 12. Jonah Ayunga, 13. Zain Westbrooke, 14. Pablo Martinez, 15. David Tutonda, 16. Brandon Hanlan, 17. Ben Liddle, 18. Ryan Jones, 19. Ali Koiki, 20. Luke McCormick, 21. Erhun Oztumer, 22. Jayden Mitchell-Lawson again.
Apologies, I counted Day and Williams in my initial number.
Very impressive 👍🏻 How many did you think were good signings at the time? How Many would you keep now?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 26, 2021 13:42:03 GMT
Out of interest where does he sit taking this seasons league games? Also where does PT sit (acknowledging no full window yet) Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
Interesting stats, thanks cb. I see Jarman in there with a lowish, but not bad win %. I may be wrong and haven’t checked but pretty sure those games were in Division 2, now the Championship. If so I’m surprised you included him though I’m presuming it’s because his win % is set between BG and Tis. His PPG would put him much higher of course. UTG!
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 26, 2021 13:49:49 GMT
Glynn Hodge’s current record at Wimbledon:
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 47 13 14 20 55:74 53 1.13
Current league form is lost 7 drawn 1 and won 1 out of 9.
No hysteria from the fans, no personal attacks and few calls for the sack.
The club is very much run with and by the fans, they have a new stadium back at Plough Lane and appreciate staying in the league and backing the manager is part of their identity.
We could learn a lot.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 26, 2021 13:50:39 GMT
Dobson: P12 W1 D2 L9 Pts5 PPG0.42 W%8.33 Penney: P13 W2 D2 L9 Pts8 PPG0.66 W%15.38 Cooper: P68 W13 D19 L36 Pts58 PPG0.85 W%19.1 McGhee: P45 W12 W12 L21 Pts48 PPG1.06 W%26.6 Graydon: P81 W22 D22 L37 Pts88 PPG1.09 W%27.2 Garner: P11 W3 D3 L5 Pts14 PPG1.27 W%27.27 Jarman: P24 W7 D9 L8 Pts30 PPG1.25 W%29.16 Tisdale: P10 W3 D1 L6 Pts10 PPG1 W%30
Not sure how many of those managers managed to sign 23, 24 if you count JML twice over an 11 month period...
Interesting stats, thanks cb. I see Jarman in there with a lowish, but not bad win %. I may be wrong and haven’t checked but pretty sure those games were in Division 2, now the Championship. If so I’m surprised you included him though I’m presuming it’s because his win % is set between BG and Tis. His PPG would put him much higher of course. UTG! I just included all historical managers, it's impossible to drill down into different leagues value.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 26, 2021 14:05:55 GMT
Wareham is correct . Harold Jarman took over in Dec 79 when Rovers looked odds on for relegation from what is now the championship, our record till he started was something like W4 ,D 4, L 10. PTS 12. His record was indeed W7 D9 L8, and it saved us from relegation with a total of 35 points. (23 for Harold). this was in the days of 2 pts for a win so draws were considered as positive results and extremely valuable. Just shows how stats can be misleading as without him we were a sure thing for the drop.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 26, 2021 14:08:49 GMT
Interesting stats, thanks cb. I see Jarman in there with a lowish, but not bad win %. I may be wrong and haven’t checked but pretty sure those games were in Division 2, now the Championship. If so I’m surprised you included him though I’m presuming it’s because his win % is set between BG and Tis. His PPG would put him much higher of course. UTG! I just included all historical managers, it's impossible to drill down into different leagues value. Thanks. No, of course it is, I wasn’t suggesting anyone should do that! I think it shows how sometimes win % can be misleading by itself. The whole line of wins, draws and losses for Harold though a lowish win % is ok and would probably be a mid table position. PPG, as said, a better guide. UTG!
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Post by madgas on Jan 26, 2021 14:10:39 GMT
Feel there should be an option:
Yes, but ban the back 6 formation.
Think Tisdale is the right man. His reaction to a few injuries has been dissapointing.
Round pegs, round holes and we'll finish mid table.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 28, 2021 16:31:42 GMT
Glynn Hodge’s current record at Wimbledon: Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 47 13 14 20 55:74 53 1.13 Current league form is lost 7 drawn 1 and won 1 out of 9. No hysteria from the fans, no personal attacks and few calls for the sack. The club is very much run with and by the fans, they have a new stadium back at Plough Lane and appreciate staying in the league and backing the manager is part of their identity. We could learn a lot. Irony with this is I was talking to a Wimbledon fan last week who thinks he should be sacked. 😂
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 28, 2021 16:34:23 GMT
Glynn Hodge’s current record at Wimbledon: Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 47 13 14 20 55:74 53 1.13 Current league form is lost 7 drawn 1 and won 1 out of 9. No hysteria from the fans, no personal attacks and few calls for the sack. The club is very much run with and by the fans, they have a new stadium back at Plough Lane and appreciate staying in the league and backing the manager is part of their identity. We could learn a lot. Irony with this is I was talking to a Wimbledon fan last week who thinks he should be sacked. 😂 He probably should 🤣 He would have been hung drawn and quartered up here
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 28, 2021 16:45:22 GMT
Irony with this is I was talking to a Wimbledon fan last week who thinks he should be sacked. 😂 He probably should 🤣 He would have been hung drawn and quartered up here Welcome to the forum BTW. I've never seen your round these quarters before?
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