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Post by dmacca65 on Feb 3, 2021 7:58:36 GMT
I wouldn't say that was a poor interview he said it how it was, I would have thought deep down he knows the reason for that performance weather that is the players not playing for him or just not good enough or a combination! He looked like it's just dawned on him that the situation is far more serious than he thought or accepted, it was only a week ago he suggested that we would climb the table to safety.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 3, 2021 8:04:19 GMT
Struck me as a man that has been lied to....he probably took the job on the promise of certain new players in the window.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 3, 2021 8:15:07 GMT
Wholeheartedly disagree with the “no fight no passion” rhetoric.
This is a convenient way of thinking “we’re good enough, we didn’t try hard enough. If they’d worked a bit harder they would have won”
Most footballers are 3 bad games away from working in McDonalds in these leagues. It’s highly unlikely in something they’ve trained all year for, and dreamed of doing all their life, they decide to not bother.
We weren’t good enough. That’s the truth of it.
I am the last one to condemn or criticise players, but it is clear that it is not working for Ehmer here. God knows how he was captain at gillingham. He can’t defend. I can only assume with 3 proper defenders around him it gives him the ability to play his football.
All the issues in this team come from a lack of clinicality and extremely poor defending.
I would say these players are shot of confidence, but “passion” is a much overrated thing in football. How do you show passion when you’re several goals down because your defence can’t defend?
On the other side, we also have strikers who can’t score.
If anything we are now even worse under Tisdale than we were under Garner.
It’s too late now but if we’d done as I had suggested in the transfer window and strengthened defence, which is clearly the issue, we may not be in this sh1t.
Sorry with Ehmer but he’s probably the highest paid but just gets repeatedly done, over and over, by everyone. Turning circle of the titanic.
If this team goes down, which it probably will, don’t forget, league 2 is very competitive. It could be 20 years.
I’ll be interested to see if the tactic of playing kids in league 2 works out, good luck with that.
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Post by RD on Feb 3, 2021 8:15:57 GMT
Wholeheartedly disagree with the “no fight no passion” rhetoric. This is a convenient way of thinking “we’re good enough, we didn’t try hard enough. If they’d worked a bit harder they would have won” Most footballers are 3 bad games away from working in McDonalds in these leagues. It’s highly unlikely in something they’ve trained all year for, and dreamed of doing all their life, they decide to not bother. We weren’t good enough. That’s the truth of it. I am the last one to condemn or criticise players, but it is clear that it is not working for Ehmer here. God knows how he was captain at gillingham. He can’t defend. I can only assume with 3 proper defenders around him it gives him the ability to play his football. All the issues in this team come from a lack of clinicality and extremely poor defending. I would say these players are shot of confidence, but “passion” is a much overrated thing in football. How do you show passion when you’re several goals down because your defence can’t defend? On the other side, we also have strikers who can’t score. If anything we are now even worse under Tisdale than we were under Garner. It’s too late now but if we’d done as I had suggested in the transfer window and strengthened defence, which is clearly the issue, we may not be in this sh1t. Sorry with Ehmer but he’s probably the highest paid but just gets repeatedly done, over and over, by everyone. Turning circle of the titanic. If this team goes down, which it probably will, don’t forget, league 2 is very competitive. It could be 20 years. I’ll be interested to see if the tactic of playing kids in league 2 works out, good luck with that. Did you watch the game? Even Tisdale said there was no fight ffs
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 3, 2021 8:27:32 GMT
Wholeheartedly disagree with the “no fight no passion” rhetoric. This is a convenient way of thinking “we’re good enough, we didn’t try hard enough. If they’d worked a bit harder they would have won” Most footballers are 3 bad games away from working in McDonalds in these leagues. It’s highly unlikely in something they’ve trained all year for, and dreamed of doing all their life, they decide to not bother. We weren’t good enough. That’s the truth of it. I am the last one to condemn or criticise players, but it is clear that it is not working for Ehmer here. God knows how he was captain at gillingham. He can’t defend. I can only assume with 3 proper defenders around him it gives him the ability to play his football. All the issues in this team come from a lack of clinicality and extremely poor defending. I would say these players are shot of confidence, but “passion” is a much overrated thing in football. How do you show passion when you’re several goals down because your defence can’t defend? On the other side, we also have strikers who can’t score. If anything we are now even worse under Tisdale than we were under Garner. It’s too late now but if we’d done as I had suggested in the transfer window and strengthened defence, which is clearly the issue, we may not be in this sh1t. Sorry with Ehmer but he’s probably the highest paid but just gets repeatedly done, over and over, by everyone. Turning circle of the titanic. If this team goes down, which it probably will, don’t forget, league 2 is very competitive. It could be 20 years. I’ll be interested to see if the tactic of playing kids in league 2 works out, good luck with that. I don’t think not trying and not being good enough have to be mutually exclusive. Accy are far better than us but also fought & battled more than us - both the Accrington commentators & Tisdale himself said it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:28:50 GMT
I want Tisdale gone but whether he stays or goes the Manager needs his own backroom team - people he knows and can trust.
Truly hoping for an announcement today ...
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 3, 2021 8:30:16 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead
It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players
Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection
We play best 4-2-3-1
Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2?
I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it!
For Fleetwood
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Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy
Grant Ehmer
Nicholson McCormick Hanlan
Daly
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 3, 2021 8:34:39 GMT
I want Tisdale gone but whether he stays or goes the Manager needs his own backroom team - people he knows and can trust. Was thinking this last night. Am I right in thinking that PT’s back room/coaching staff is made up of: - DC men = Manse & Hargreaves - GC men = Maher - BG men = Mesure - The bloke PT brought in to “filter out nonsense” Is that it?
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Post by surreygas4 on Feb 3, 2021 8:39:03 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection We play best 4-2-3-1 Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2? I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it! For Fleetwood Day Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Ehmer Nicholson McCormick Hanlan Daly Absolutely no way Ehmer is good enough to play in midfield (cue comments about how he's currently not good enough to play in defence either!). His forays forward at right back/right wing back showed that he is uncomfortable in possession and he's demonstrated recently that his positioning sense and tackling abilities are poor. Not sure what he'd offer playing there. In fact, I'd argue that he clearly needs to be taken out of the side after last night - he was awful defensively and as captain he seemed anonymous whilst we shipped 4 within 30 mins.
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Post by blueridge on Feb 3, 2021 8:41:31 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection We play best 4-2-3-1 Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2? I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it! For Fleetwood Day Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Ehmer Nicholson McCormick Hanlan Daly I don’t think Ehmer should be anywhere near the team - Tisdale has got to make a statement and have the balls to drop him - there cannot be any nepotism just because he’s captain, IMO he’s just not good enough and this isn’t based on just one match.
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Post by gasbath on Feb 3, 2021 8:52:43 GMT
None of those players Deserve to get a start Saturday apart from Nicholson
line up JVS
Little Baldwin Harries Tutunda
Liddle Hargreaves Koiki
Daly Ayunga Nicholson
Could they Possibly do any worse !! UTG
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 3, 2021 8:53:19 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection We play best 4-2-3-1 Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2? I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it! For Fleetwood Day Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Ehmer Nicholson McCormick Hanlan Daly I don’t think Ehmer should be anywhere near the team - Tisdale has got to make a statement and have the balls to drop him - there cannot be any nepotism just because he’s captain, IMO he’s just not good enough and this isn’t based on just one match. You make good points. We missed Ogogo He showed against Peterborough the necessary fight needed We really lack leadership dont we!!!
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Post by Fat Albert on Feb 3, 2021 9:07:17 GMT
Fight and passion is a mentality that very few players possess regardless of results. People like Holloway, Sinclair, Steve Elliot are not the norm.
Every time they step on the pitch their confidence is let’s say 75% due to our recent form then all of a sudden you let one in and it’s here we go again.
Anyone who has played football knows that when you play a cup match against a team better than you suddenly your ‘fight and passion’ goes up because you know you’ve got nothing to lose. However when you’re getting spanked by everyone in your own league it’s not the same thing.
Most of these players are probably good enough, but collectively their confidence is completely shot. Most of them have been playing in league football before us so they can’t be that bad.
If we can get organised and maybe two experienced loans in and grind a couple of draws out, hopefully we can stop the slide into league 2.
UTG
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 3, 2021 9:10:59 GMT
If we can get organised and maybe two experienced loans in and grind a couple of draws out, hopefully we can stop the slide into league 2. UTG Loan window’s shut till the summer, is it not?
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 3, 2021 9:12:56 GMT
Wholeheartedly disagree with the “no fight no passion” rhetoric. This is a convenient way of thinking “we’re good enough, we didn’t try hard enough. If they’d worked a bit harder they would have won” Most footballers are 3 bad games away from working in McDonalds in these leagues. It’s highly unlikely in something they’ve trained all year for, and dreamed of doing all their life, they decide to not bother. We weren’t good enough. That’s the truth of it. I am the last one to condemn or criticise players, but it is clear that it is not working for Ehmer here. God knows how he was captain at gillingham. He can’t defend. I can only assume with 3 proper defenders around him it gives him the ability to play his football. All the issues in this team come from a lack of clinicality and extremely poor defending. I would say these players are shot of confidence, but “passion” is a much overrated thing in football. How do you show passion when you’re several goals down because your defence can’t defend? On the other side, we also have strikers who can’t score. If anything we are now even worse under Tisdale than we were under Garner. It’s too late now but if we’d done as I had suggested in the transfer window and strengthened defence, which is clearly the issue, we may not be in this sh1t. Sorry with Ehmer but he’s probably the highest paid but just gets repeatedly done, over and over, by everyone. Turning circle of the titanic. If this team goes down, which it probably will, don’t forget, league 2 is very competitive. It could be 20 years. I’ll be interested to see if the tactic of playing kids in league 2 works out, good luck with that. Did you watch the game? Even Tisdale said there was no fight ffs Yes. Do you not remember all through the first half we were still making chances? The Accy commentators were remarking on it, that we weren’t even that bad just hopeless in both boxes. I would say they are shot on confidence. The 2nd goal took the stuffing out of them. Perhaps it’s the same thing phrased differently. I’m taking issue with the terms “passion” and “fight” is it’s 90% of every teams fans criticism of a bad performance, and every England cup exit is due to a lack of passion and fight. I suspect when you’re 2nd to every ball, when you can’t keep up with the other team who are playing better than you, it looks like “fight” but when do we actually conclude the other team are actually just a better team? Better in all departments, better organised? If it’s all about passion and fight, then all this team need to do is get fired up a bit, perhaps get Roy Keane in on consultancy for a couple of games.... I think this is a far too cliched and simplistic way to view the problems we have. Most if not all of those goals were caused by bad organisations and technique. Watch the highlights and you won’t see many instances of players just allowing the other team to Waltz past them with the player clearly just not interested. What I saw mainly was out centre backs out of position and being turned inside out, despite their best efforts. Tisdale would probably say it was due to fight as he’s hardly going to say it’s due to organisation and lack of ability is he?
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 3, 2021 9:13:50 GMT
Fight and passion is a mentality that very few players possess regardless of results. People like Holloway, Sinclair, Steve Elliot are not the norm. Every time they step on the pitch their confidence is let’s say 75% due to our recent form then all of a sudden you let one in and it’s here we go again. Anyone who has played football knows that when you play a cup match against a team better than you suddenly your ‘fight and passion’ goes up because you know you’ve got nothing to lose. However when you’re getting spanked by everyone in your own league it’s not the same thing. Most of these players are probably good enough, but collectively their confidence is completely shot. Most of them have been playing in league football before us so they can’t be that bad. If we can get organised and maybe two experienced loans in and grind a couple of draws out, hopefully we can stop the slide into league 2. UTG Yet those lower league teams still tend to lose, so it’s not about fight, it’s about ability, in the main.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 3, 2021 9:16:24 GMT
Only seen the club video but reading Sam Frosts piece I dont get the impression he's going to walk away. He now has to show some leadership himself and the team he picks on Sat will have a big say in that. If we see the same faces making the same mistakes then he's effectively saying that no matter how poor you are your place is safe. Imo he has to make a statement, Ehmer needs a break along with probably 4 or 5 others from last night's side. Personally I think Sat is now a huge game in our season, if there's no reaction after that shambles last night I'm not sure I can see a way back, we need to see some pride at the very least
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 3, 2021 9:16:52 GMT
I don’t think Ehmer should be anywhere near the team - Tisdale has got to make a statement and have the balls to drop him - there cannot be any nepotism just because he’s captain, IMO he’s just not good enough and this isn’t based on just one match. You make good points. We missed Ogogo He showed against Peterborough the necessary fight needed We really lack leadership dont we!!! Perhaps if we can’t agree on fight and passion and ability, or organisation we can agree with this. We are certainly lacking in leaders, this is something which is painfully obvious.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 3, 2021 9:21:04 GMT
Did you watch the game? Even Tisdale said there was no fight ffs Yes. Do you not remember all through the first half we were still making chances? The Accy commentators were remarking on it, that we weren’t even that bad just hopeless in both boxes. I would say they are shot on confidence. The 2nd goal took the stuffing out of them. Perhaps it’s the same thing phrased differently. I’m taking issue with the terms “passion” and “fight” is it’s 90% of every teams fans criticism of a bad performance, and every England cup exit is due to a lack of passion and fight. I suspect when you’re 2nd to every ball, when you can’t keep up with the other team who are playing better than you, it looks like “fight” but when do we actually conclude the other team are actually just a better team? Better in all departments, better organised? If it’s all about passion and fight, then all this team need to do is get fired up a bit, perhaps get Roy Keane in on consultancy for a couple of games.... I think this is a far too cliched and simplistic way to view the problems we have. Most if not all of those goals were caused by bad organisations and technique. Watch the highlights and you won’t see many instances of players just allowing the other team to Waltz past them with the player clearly just not interested. What I saw mainly was out centre backs out of position and being turned inside out, despite their best efforts. Tisdale would probably say it was due to fight as he’s hardly going to say it’s due to organisation and lack of ability is he? I actually agree with this, it was mainly down to total lack of organisation, which again is why we're conceding goals from set pieces for fun and have been all season. It's been a problem under Garner and it had been something Tisdale has been unable to address. I believe that lack of organisation is causing the players to panic, and once that happens then it looks like the fight has deserted them, because they're making calamitous errors and the confidence is shot. Trouble is whether its Tisdale or someone else, there doesn't ever seem to be enough time to train between matches to address the issues. I am so perplexed by it all, as for a few games before New Year, we seemed to have turned a corner. What has changed?
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2021 9:22:13 GMT
I wouldn't say that was a poor interview he said it how it was, I would have thought deep down he knows the reason for that performance weather that is the players not playing for him or just not good enough or a combination! He looked like it's just dawned on him that the situation is far more serious than he thought or accepted, it was only a week ago he suggested that we would climb the table to safety. He should have known what he was getting in to when he applied for the job or was offered it. It’s not difficult in this day and age to sit down and watch videos of games to see who the players are what their strengths and weaknesses are etc. He said after the first game that he didn’t know the players names and that struck alarm bells with me from day 1. It seems to me he’s gone to to the situation sleepwalking and hasn’t got the ooomph needed to pull a club away from a relegation scrap. I don’t care what he did at Exeter it’s what he’s done with us that matters and to me he seems just so much like Garner that we might as well have stuck with Garner. When Coughlan left we didn’t need a massive change of direction but that’s what happened and when Garner was sacked we DID need a change of direction and we didn’t get it. I like Wael bevause he saved our club from almost certainly going under but he’s dropped a bollock with his last two managerial appointments. The wrong people at the wrong times.
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