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Post by Fat Albert on Feb 3, 2021 9:22:21 GMT
Fight and passion is a mentality that very few players possess regardless of results. People like Holloway, Sinclair, Steve Elliot are not the norm. Every time they step on the pitch their confidence is let’s say 75% due to our recent form then all of a sudden you let one in and it’s here we go again. Anyone who has played football knows that when you play a cup match against a team better than you suddenly your ‘fight and passion’ goes up because you know you’ve got nothing to lose. However when you’re getting spanked by everyone in your own league it’s not the same thing. Most of these players are probably good enough, but collectively their confidence is completely shot. Most of them have been playing in league football before us so they can’t be that bad. If we can get organised and maybe two experienced loans in and grind a couple of draws out, hopefully we can stop the slide into league 2. UTG Yet those lower league teams still tend to lose, so it’s not about fight, it’s about ability, in the main. Completely agree, that’s why people on here shouting for fight and passion doesn’t get you results. Professional football is too good a standard. Get organised, grind some results, increase confidence and ability will show through.
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 3, 2021 9:22:32 GMT
You make good points. We missed Ogogo He showed against Peterborough the necessary fight needed We really lack leadership dont we!!! Perhaps if we can’t agree on fight and passion and ability, or organisation we can agree with this. We are certainly lacking in leaders, this is something which is painfully obvious. I'm convinced BG didn't want leaders - as a young coach he would have felt threatened by stronger characters in the squad. PT and TW have failed to bring in a couple of those strong characters in the window that has just closed. They need to find a couple that are out of contract pdq.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 3, 2021 9:29:20 GMT
Perhaps if we can’t agree on fight and passion and ability, or organisation we can agree with this. We are certainly lacking in leaders, this is something which is painfully obvious. I'm convinced BG didn't want leaders - as a young coach he would have felt threatened by stronger characters in the squad. PT and TW have failed to bring in a couple of those strong characters in the window that has just closed. They need to find a couple that are out of contract pdq. Have to agree, he messed up big time letting Tony Craig go, forcing Ogogo out. Jaakkola would be my captain again once fit, drop Ehmer who was absolute trash last night and has been poor all season. What were we thinking not signing players in January, we could all see that we were only going one way.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 3, 2021 9:31:09 GMT
I'm convinced BG didn't want leaders - as a young coach he would have felt threatened by stronger characters in the squad. PT and TW have failed to bring in a couple of those strong characters in the window that has just closed. They need to find a couple that are out of contract pdq. Have to agree, he messed up big time letting Tony Craig go, forcing Ogogo out. Jaakkola would be my captain again once fit, drop Ehmer who was absolute trash last night and has been poor all season. What were we thinking not signing players in January, we could all see that we were only going one way. The best (ie worst) thing about last night is that it was quite literally the day after the window closed.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 3, 2021 9:34:12 GMT
Should have been pretty damn obvious to PT and the board though that we were in dire need of players
Be that a striker or a defender. In reality we needed both.
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Post by surreygas4 on Feb 3, 2021 9:34:19 GMT
Did you watch the game? Even Tisdale said there was no fight ffs Yes. Do you not remember all through the first half we were still making chances? The Accy commentators were remarking on it, that we weren’t even that bad just hopeless in both boxes. I would say they are shot on confidence. The 2nd goal took the stuffing out of them. Perhaps it’s the same thing phrased differently. I’m taking issue with the terms “passion” and “fight” is it’s 90% of every teams fans criticism of a bad performance, and every England cup exit is due to a lack of passion and fight. I suspect when you’re 2nd to every ball, when you can’t keep up with the other team who are playing better than you, it looks like “fight” but when do we actually conclude the other team are actually just a better team? Better in all departments, better organised? If it’s all about passion and fight, then all this team need to do is get fired up a bit, perhaps get Roy Keane in on consultancy for a couple of games.... I think this is a far too cliched and simplistic way to view the problems we have. Most if not all of those goals were caused by bad organisations and technique. Watch the highlights and you won’t see many instances of players just allowing the other team to Waltz past them with the player clearly just not interested. What I saw mainly was out centre backs out of position and being turned inside out, despite their best efforts. Tisdale would probably say it was due to fight as he’s hardly going to say it’s due to organisation and lack of ability is he? I agree with some of what you say and you make some valid points. Clearly there is no organisation at the back, not helped by some fairly basic defensive errors that i remember being coached out of me when I was 12 and playing in the Avon youth league ffs eg don't let the ball bounce and don't dive in and sell yourself (ehmer and Alfie did both all game). However, going in at half time 4-1 down away at Stanley, i was expecting a reaction in the second half. Some professional pride. However I didn't see any crunching tackles, anyone being vocal, anyone trying to restore some pride. We didn't create anything throughout most of the second half. For me personally, that's where I question the passion or the fight in this team.
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Post by Blackbeard on Feb 3, 2021 9:38:08 GMT
You make good points. We missed Ogogo He showed against Peterborough the necessary fight needed We really lack leadership dont we!!! Perhaps if we can’t agree on fight and passion and ability, or organisation we can agree with this. We are certainly lacking in leaders, this is something which is painfully obvious. Absolutely 100 percent cast iron spot on and it goes back to Garner who dispensed with Millwall Tone and Ogogo who gave us a decent , experienced spine with a bit of bite and Kilgore alongside who learned a massive amount from Tone I’m sure Garner wanted slick tippy tippy football completely forgetting (or maybe not knowing more likely ) that you don’t get the time on the ball to do it in the lower leagues and now we are reaping the rewards of this disastrous recruitment policy and sliding alarmingly towards L2 without brakes
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2021 10:05:57 GMT
DC would have had Ehmer and Kilgour off at 3-1.They were both as bad as one another.Neither can judge the flight of the ball,neither can concentrate to mark players and both have a turn of the Titanic.Drop them both Saturday and strip Ehmer of the captaincy tomorrow. Baldwin in for Ehmer and made Captain and Grant moved back to centre half to add just a bit of pace.Tutundra give him a chance as a left back and Williams to be a right back. If Tutundra plays, the game might get called off for a frozen pitch Very good! I appreciated it. UTG!
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Post by TAGas on Feb 3, 2021 10:06:39 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection We play best 4-2-3-1 Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2? I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it! For Fleetwood Day Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Ehmer Nicholson McCormick Hanlan Daly I would play Little as a centre half. No way would I start Ehmer at the minute let alone playing in midfield!
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 3, 2021 10:08:32 GMT
Perhaps if we can’t agree on fight and passion and ability, or organisation we can agree with this. We are certainly lacking in leaders, this is something which is painfully obvious. Absolutely 100 percent cast iron spot on and it goes back to Garner who dispensed with Millwall Tone and Ogogo who gave us a decent , experienced spine with a bit of bite and Kilgore alongside who learned a massive amount from Tone I’m sure Garner wanted slick tippy tippy football completely forgetting (or maybe not knowing more likely ) that you don’t get the time on the ball to do it in the lower leagues and now we are reaping the rewards of this disastrous recruitment policy and sliding alarmingly towards L2 without brakes You employ a manager that plays passing football you get passing football. What were the board expecting when they hired him?
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2021 10:14:18 GMT
The whole issue of playing 2 or 3 CHs and which ones has been bubbling all season. It seems Ehmer has been squeezed into the team in a back 4 because he’s captain, though why I don’t know. Been the biggest letdown, no pace, no tackling ability, no organisational skills, no dominance or leadership and on Saturday Rochdale should have scored another two before half time when he didn’t get goal side of his attacker. He hasn’t been worth his place all season so Tis needs to act now. Really disappointing. Perhaps something’s not right with him. Needs a back 4 on Saturday with Baldwin in. And someone from somewhere has to show some leadership and organisational ability. I’d like it to be Alfie because I don’t know who else. UTG!
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Post by oldgas on Feb 3, 2021 10:39:03 GMT
It's all gone so horribly wrong so horribly soon. When does the '10 games and then we'll hang him' rule kick in? After 10 games I suppose.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 3, 2021 10:41:08 GMT
Have to agree, he messed up big time letting Tony Craig go, forcing Ogogo out. Jaakkola would be my captain again once fit, drop Ehmer who was absolute trash last night and has been poor all season. What were we thinking not signing players in January, we could all see that we were only going one way. The best (ie worst) thing about last night is that it was quite literally the day after the window closed. You're so horribly right. I think it will be L2 for us next season. I don't see any point in pinning hopes on the unattached list, they're on there for a reason.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 3, 2021 10:50:55 GMT
I want Tisdale gone but whether he stays or goes the Manager needs his own backroom team - people he knows and can trust. Truly hoping for an announcement today ... The only way I can think any manager would be prepared to replace Tisdale at this juncture was if the board announced they expected relegation, and that he would be allowed free reign to appoint his own staff and rebuild the club ready for the new season. That would either encourage these players to actually try and achieve an unlikely escape, and If we w got relegated it was what was expected nd spectators would be ,a aged. what a sad, sorry mess.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 3, 2021 11:11:52 GMT
Does anyone have a link to Tisdale’s interview with radio Bristol?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 3, 2021 11:14:52 GMT
I was thinking this last night and I couldn't come up with an answer. Agogo maybe? Shows how bad this team is. Surely by now fans know the difference between Agogo and Ogogo, regardless a player probably out injured for weeks isn't going to help us on the pitch. Ehmer, sadly, is really the only obvious captain unless we want to burden a youngster with the role, it's yet another pitfall of having such a young squad. I'm so sorry Topper. It was 6am. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 3, 2021 11:19:54 GMT
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 3, 2021 11:24:16 GMT
It’s now dawning on Tis the challenge that lies ahead It will now be down to him and his management skills to lift these players Can it be done? I think it can but it will need him to be ruthless with the under performing players and be bold with selection We play best 4-2-3-1 Maybe Ehmer alongside Grant in the 2? I don’t think massive wholesale changes are the way to go, if anything stick with the same 11 and tell them they are good enough and go F#####g prove it! For Fleetwood Day Williams Kilgour Baldwin Leahy Grant Ehmer Nicholson McCormick Hanlan Daly I would play Little as a centre half. No way would I start Ehmer at the minute let alone playing in midfield! I know we all want the team to do well and we all have varying opinions on how that can be achieved. But seriously, Ehmer in midfield? He needs to be "rested". His only position is centre back and he's absolutely dreadful at the moment. He's too slow to play in another position.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2021 12:07:01 GMT
I thiunk the Little at centre half is a good shout but if not him give Grant a go there in his right position. He will never be a midfield player. I would strip Ehmer o9f the captaincy immediately and appoint Baldwin as Captain. Kilgour apart from a couple of games has been a handicap all season as has Ehmer- Drop them both right out of the team .
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Williams Little/Grant Baldwin (Capt) Tutonda
McCormick
Westbrooke Oz Nicholson
Daley Hanlan
Subs Little/Grant, JVS, Leahy, Harries,Ayunga,Kilgour or Ehmer, Barratt
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 3, 2021 12:17:45 GMT
Ehmers birthday today......hope he spent it training
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