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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2021 18:04:02 GMT
How many games did Ozt miss due to "COVID" he then returned v his old club P'boro and was outstanding then followed that with two shockers where he was subbed off early in both games, it beggers belief a poster wants to build a team around a loan player with that type of recent playing record.
We clearly need a more physical presence in midfield and so I'd rest Ozt for Fleetwood, although finding a replacement, assuming that Ogogo is going to be out for a few games, is an issue.
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 4, 2021 18:42:46 GMT
I would promote whoever plays centre back for the youth/under23 team and give them a go. At least they will probably show a bit of grit and determination. The current 4 incumbents of those positions have had enough chances. They are not up to the job and should have their contracts paid up. They have been appalling all season. Not only are they not good enough, but they also appear to not be trying. That is nowhere near good enough for me.
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Post by lisbongas on Feb 4, 2021 18:48:18 GMT
Grant in the back four means we have no defensive midfielder, Harries in midfield is a non starter he was a disaster when tried there. Baldwin is a combative centre half who has cost us goals several times this season but equally he has saved us several times. He has to play if fit (as we have know one better) but given some coaching to say he must win the first ball headers and not let the ball bounce, (this is a back to basics, instruction that you hear every Saturday when the downs league are playing!).
Alongside Baldwin, Kilgour rather than Ehmer but again he needs to focus on basics and not lose his man. Fullbacks Williams is the only choice on the right, on the left Tutonda is worth a shout as Leahy can no longer be trusted and Koika is not a fall back.
Westbrook and Grant in the middle, with Westbrookgiven a kick up the arse and told to get a foot in. Nicholson one side and McCormick the other. Upfront I would start Ayunga with Oztumer playing behind. I would tell Aynuga that he needs to win 50% of every arial battles up top and at least the same when defending corners.
Hanlon and Daly need to be wind up and chomping at the bit to get on. I would hope Ayunga will play 60mis and rough up the defence ready for Hanlon to exploit fatigue. Nicholson and McCormick need to press forward to support when the opportunity arrives. In goal a last chance for Day. No massive change as we dont have that many options but it can't be worse than Tuesday. Players must be aware they need a performance but this team on form can win games in this division.
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Post by playtowin on Feb 4, 2021 19:02:58 GMT
You could model the team like Southampton with le tissier. Give him a nominal position but essential let him do as he pleases and base the nuts n bolts of the team based on 9 outfield players.
The lack of strength in defence with the named team would lead to high scoring games. A bit like kevin Keegan's we will just outscore you. One minor flaw being our players dont score.
So far the only thing that has impressed me about William's is his throw ins. Defensively he is out of position constantly. I'm sure he will settle but so far 1 out of 5 score from me.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 4, 2021 19:20:15 GMT
What's needed is a team of battlers --- it's the only way we are going to stay in this division. Look at the squad, accept that it is grossly underperforming and base selection on those players who will give their all for the shirt.
Ok, where does that leave us? Firstly pick players in their best positions and don't pick those who have no heart for the battle. There are a number of players who will be automatic picks: for example Hanlan, Nicholson, McCormick, Daly, Leahy and Kilgour (the best central defender of a bad bunch). With a goalkeeper that gives us 6 players.
There are some players who should not even be in the matchday squad based on current form and/or desire to win: Harries, Ehmer (writes a nice letter) and Westbrooke. These players are currently of little use to the situation we are in.
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Post by theduke on Feb 4, 2021 20:41:48 GMT
How many games did Ozt miss due to "COVID" he then returned v his old club P'boro and was outstanding then followed that with two shockers where he was subbed off early in both games, it beggers belief a poster wants to build a team around a loan player with that type of recent playing record. We clearly need a more physical presence in midfield and so I'd rest Ozt for Fleetwood, although finding a replacement, assuming that Ogogo is going to be out for a few games, is an issue. He wasn't outstanding against Peterborough. He pinged a fantastic ball over the top for Nicholson to volley and then generally ran around a bit for 70 minutes. Half-decent game at best.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 4, 2021 21:23:42 GMT
You could model the team like Southampton with le tissier. Give him a nominal position but essential let him do as he pleases and base the nuts n bolts of the team based on 9 outfield players. The lack of strength in defence with the named team would lead to high scoring games. A bit like kevin Keegan's we will just outscore you. One minor flaw being our players dont score. So far the only thing that has impressed me about William's is his throw ins. Defensively he is out of position constantly. I'm sure he will settle but so far 1 out of 5 score from me. Different levels but Le Tissier scored goals, created chances influenced games in Premier League. Oz looks busy creates nothing and doesn't score goals in League one.
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Post by socrates on Feb 4, 2021 21:43:48 GMT
The team should be built around this guy instead of playing lots of long ball and him having to feed off whatever happens to land his way which isn't very much. Tisdale needs to get a bit of enthusiasm for an attacking game based on passing and move instead of players standing around like statues. For this reason I would play Grant at the back alongside Baldwin who despite the odd "terrible pass" is our best defender and was superb against Peterborough. Give him the captancy. I actually thought Westbrooke had a reasonable first half and was very unlucky not to have two goals so would play him and Oztumer is the middle with McCormick playing as a defensive midfielder because he too has a bit of pace. I would play our best player Nicholson in a completely free role in front of Oz and Westbrooke and up top have Daly and Hanlon. Full backs I would go for Williams and Tutonda playing a back four as a back three has been a failure far too many times this season for Tisdale to continue using it. The goalkeeper I would just edge for Day as I feel he is the better all round keeper whose confidence has been hit by an absolutely pathetic defence. I do believe that we have good players and if we could turn around a couple of wins then confidence would start to build. We were unfortunate that when we hit form for a short time we lost our key players. We are down at the moment but not out.Most goals conceded have been down to Ehmer and Alfie, the former just hasnt settled in with us for some reason and Alfie whilst being "one of our own" is IMO a poor centre half at this standard who lacks concentration and if you havent got the concentration to mark opposing players then you need a bit of pace to rec over and Alfie , the same as Ehmer turns like the Titanic. To conclude I cannot see us avoiding relegation by going " back to the basics" as that is based on good defending which has eluded us for most of this season. Get the ball to Westbrooke and Ozzy and give them the benefit of three players in front of them and press the opposition to stop them playing. I was thinking earlier in the season if it was worth playing Ozzy deeper so he could actually influence/control the game more. I'd be worried about losing the ball in our own half which would lead to teams running at our back 4 (which I suppose they're doing anyway). For it to work I think we'd need a good defensive midfielder (anchor) in front of the centre backs. I think the plan was for Grant to be this but he hasn't been good enough. I think this is what we're missing, I'm not sure it's Nicholson's game so would be very difficult for him. Other option would be one of the other centre backs or Agogo but it would be such an important position I think we'd struggle with makeshift options. I agree. Yes we’ve needed more strikers all season that’s true but the position we’ve needed the most and I’ve been saying it all season is a tough midfield general who can sit deep and protect the back four and captain the side arm band or not. Ogogo did it against Peterborough brilliantly and then unfortunately got injured on his next game but we should have at least two players in the squad capable of this role and we started the season with none. That was Garners biggest mistake and it’s another massive mistake not getting one in in the transfer window we should have paid out a couple of hundred grand for one if need be because with no leader in the middle of the park relegation is looking fairly certain and that’s going to cost the club much more.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2021 21:48:55 GMT
Grant in the back four means we have no defensive midfielder, Harries in midfield is a non starter he was a disaster when tried there. Baldwin is a combative centre half who has cost us goals several times this season but equally he has saved us several times. He has to play if fit (as we have know one better) but given some coaching to say he must win the first ball headers and not let the ball bounce, (this is a back to basics, instruction that you hear every Saturday when the downs league are playing!). Alongside Baldwin, Kilgour rather than Ehmer but again he needs to focus on basics and not lose his man. Fullbacks Williams is the only choice on the right, on the left Tutonda is worth a shout as Leahy can no longer be trusted and Koika is not a fall back. Westbrook and Grant in the middle, with Westbrookgiven a kick up the arse and told to get a foot in. Nicholson one side and McCormick the other. Upfront I would start Ayunga with Oztumer playing behind. I would tell Aynuga that he needs to win 50% of every arial battles up top and at least the same when defending corners. Hanlon and Daly need to be wind up and chomping at the bit to get on. I would hope Ayunga will play 60mis and rough up the defence ready for Hanlon to exploit fatigue. Nicholson and McCormick need to press forward to support when the opportunity arrives. In goal a last chance for Day. No massive change as we dont have that many options but it can't be worse than Tuesday. Players must be aware they need a performance but this team on form can win games in this division. Westbrooke told to put his foot in and Ayunga to rough up Fleetwood's defence, this isn't Fantasy Football or FIFI players in real life can only do what they are capable of doing and, unfortunately, neither can do what you want them to do.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 5, 2021 0:51:55 GMT
Toppergas , So you would leave Oz out and replace him with nobody as nobody fits the role you want to play. The problem with Oz is that we have defenders who cat pass a ball short of hoofing it up to one player up top and generally when Oz gets the ball he only has one player in front of him. Half the time he doesnt even have that choice as when we concede a corner we pull everyone back-terrible tactics and at the moment it is rank poor defending and the tactics which are badly letting us down. One person who could play in the centre of defence and add some pace is Little and he would be a definite improvement on both Ehmer and Kilgour.
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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 5, 2021 0:59:09 GMT
Hey Stevie if we had more Ollie's and less Ozzy's in this side we wouldn't be in this mess, ya lemon. Wael's wimps.
Anyone with half a brain cell knows Kilgour is the only central defender in this squad up to L1 and Stevie constantly slates him 😂😂😂 clown.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 7:47:35 GMT
Toppergas , So you would leave Oz out and replace him with nobody as nobody fits the role you want to play. The problem with Oz is that we have defenders who cat pass a ball short of hoofing it up to one player up top and generally when Oz gets the ball he only has one player in front of him. Half the time he doesnt even have that choice as when we concede a corner we pull everyone back-terrible tactics and at the moment it is rank poor defending and the tactics which are badly letting us down. One person who could play in the centre of defence and add some pace is Little and he would be a definite improvement on both Ehmer and Kilgour. Who side dropping Ozt, all I'm questioning is building a team around a player who's played poorly in last couple of games. As far as Little none of us really know his injury position, is he injured again or not fully fit, even how long will he last if he returns. Perhaps PT feels it's best to keep him fit so we can release him as soon as his contact ends this summer and not continue to pay him if he needs rehabilitation. With regards to corners given how many goals we concede getting as many bodies in the box as possible actually makes sense for a change.
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Post by Quarters on Feb 5, 2021 8:21:20 GMT
Get the impression that the belief on Otz is from when he played at Walsall. He has had, in my opinion, one good game for us so far. He is part of the defence, as is everyone, when we don't have the ball and cannot see he contributes much in the way of closing down or tackling. Must be a reason why Charlton did not want him!
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 5, 2021 11:10:54 GMT
Perhaps because Charlton have far better players than us!! I know all, about work rate when we havent got the ball but our problem is when we do get the ball- our defenders either pass amongst themselves and lose it or they hoof it up to the area of the pitch where we have one player at most. About the corners we conceded all the goals from corners with 11 back because the defenders are not marking. Too many cooks spoil the broth as they say-have the right number back and bloody mark-nothing more basic than that Mr Tisdale.
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 5, 2021 16:24:47 GMT
I would have sent Oz back and asked about loaning a striker
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 5, 2021 22:11:19 GMT
Don't think you can just send players back when you agree a season long loan. It has to be agreed by the club who loans him.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 5, 2021 22:20:29 GMT
Couldn't disagree more with the OP. Cards on the table time: Otzumer has shown nothing since he arrived to suggest that a side should be built around him. When was his last good season? 2017? Three clubs back in his career. I'd honestly rather give Cam Hargreaves a good run than persevere with Otz. How many goals has Otzumer contributed? One goal against the Dog & Duck FC. How many assists has has made? Zero. According to his Wiki he hasn't scored in his past 46 league games. That's a shocking statistic for a "number 10." He's clearly talented but a luxury player given that he goes missing for long periods every game that he plays. I wouldn't keep him past this season and would use him mainly as an impact sub. I'd much rather have Daly, Nicholson and Hanlan up top and a more direct approach adopted rather than trying to play short triangles on boggy League One pitches. Fantastic and accurate post.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 6, 2021 7:06:16 GMT
This isn't the otzumer of 6 years ago. Just looks like a slightly modified version of Bennett .
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Post by chilly1883 on Feb 6, 2021 7:43:22 GMT
Our biggest miss, by an absolute mile! GOALKEEPER
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 6, 2021 10:16:21 GMT
Never build a team around one player...ever
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