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Post by wertongas on Feb 4, 2021 14:07:33 GMT
Since Steve Yates left we have struggled at the back, only while GC was manager and got the team organised was there an improvement, Andy Tisdale comes to mind, or perhaps Tony Craig, there are plenty of ex quality defenders out there that could fill the job. It would leave Tisdale to organise attacking side of things and select the team.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 4, 2021 14:14:07 GMT
As I said in a different thread I don't think a defensive coach is the solution....
The mistakes and effort (or lack of it) shouldn't be as constantly bad as they are by a line up of fully paid professional and experienced defenders who would have received years of coaching....
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Post by wertongas on Feb 4, 2021 14:18:44 GMT
Defense needs organising, players are often out of position, not marking as they should be this wasn't an issue under GC so something is clearly going wrong
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Post by gregsy on Feb 4, 2021 14:20:47 GMT
Yeah, somehing has gone wrong, but in my opinion we need leadership on the pitch not off it....
Probably a bit late for that now though....
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Post by wertongas on Feb 4, 2021 14:25:39 GMT
Well bring Davies back from Barrow and replace Ehmer, not only is Davies a solid defender but he can bring the ball out from the defence and clear the lines.
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Post by Bourne End Gas on Feb 4, 2021 14:46:14 GMT
Yeah, somehing has gone wrong, but in my opinion we need leadership on the pitch not off it.... Probably a bit late for that now though.... Yes we do need leadership on the pitch but also need leadership off the pitch and not people leading WAQ up the garden path ! A lot of people taking the pi55 at the moment |
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Post by bluegas on Feb 4, 2021 14:50:07 GMT
I have and would still suggest it on the basis that the transfer window is closed and sacking Tisdale is not an option (too expensive,too embarrassing, no obvious replacement). It therefore seems the only thing that can be tried - improve what we've got with someone who can do that. The current coaching staff don't seem able to.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 4, 2021 14:56:22 GMT
Need to get rid of some first
So many coaches doing their own little sessions with certain groups no wonder we don't look like a team and all over the place
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Post by pirate on Feb 4, 2021 15:03:08 GMT
We've got the joint third worst goals for record in the league, do we need to employ an attacking coach too?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 15:24:07 GMT
We've got the joint third worst goals for record in the league, do we need to employ an attacking coach too? We ain’t got any attackers thanks to your beloved BG |
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Post by wertongas on Feb 4, 2021 15:28:35 GMT
I agree that goals for is poor, but if we had been under GC we would have won that game against Rochdale he would have never allowed our defence to be so weak. So there is clearly a problem with organisation at the back, good coach and change of defensive personal by bringing back Davies could be the answer.
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 4, 2021 15:31:23 GMT
We've got the joint third worst goals for record in the league, do we need to employ an attacking coach too? When the platform for the creation of chances and making attacks is so poor it's unsurprising we struggle at the top end. I know our strikeforce is inexperienced, but with a decent defence and midfield not giving away goals, and able to present a number of reasonable chances I'm convinced they can score enough goals. Of course another experienced striker in the window would have been good, but our major failings are elsewhere. I and others have said we do need a defensive coach to organise and set up the way to defend in numerous situations - AND we need the on field organisation to ensure we don't just forget in the heat of battle. My priorities would be a GC type coach, an old head defender if there is one out there out of contract, and a similar battling midfielder. |
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Post by titchthephot on Feb 4, 2021 15:32:41 GMT
One of the goals that Accrington scored we had 7 players back defending against 3 Accrington attackers......and two of them were practically unmarked!! Something needs to be done soon and a defensive coach is mega important.
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Post by Raj Gas on Feb 4, 2021 15:35:12 GMT
What I did notice was that Tisdale,Maher,Mansell,Hargreaves,Widdrington all played as midfielders, not sure about Measure?
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 4, 2021 15:38:19 GMT
We.may need a coach to coach the coaches.then we.can buy a coach to take the coaches to games. But then we need to hire a coach driver.
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Post by pirate on Feb 4, 2021 15:40:16 GMT
We've got the joint third worst goals for record in the league, do we need to employ an attacking coach too? When the platform for the creation of chances and making attacks is so poor it's unsurprising we struggle at the top end. I know our strikeforce is inexperienced, but with a decent defence and midfield not giving away goals, and able to present a number of reasonable chances I'm convinced they can score enough goals. Of course another experienced striker in the window would have been good, but our major failings are elsewhere. I and others have said we do need a defensive coach to organise and set up the way to defend in numerous situations - AND we need the on field organisation to ensure we don't just forget in the heat of battle. My priorities would be a GC type coach, an old head defender if there is one out there out of contract, and a similar battling midfielder. Our lack of creativity and ability to break up attacks in midfield is a problem, but so is our ability to hold up the ball in attacking areas to relieve some pressure on the defence. In only 6 games out of 24 in the league we have managed to score two goals or more, that isn't good enough. Our defence isn't the best and neither is our attack. Or midfield. I said during the window that the whole spine of our outfield needs improving and now we have to find a way of doing that without adding to the squad in the transfer market. Maybe a coach or two is the answer, or a magician or miracle worker. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 15:43:12 GMT
We.may need a coach to coach the coaches.then we.can buy a coach to take the coaches to games. But then we need to hire a coach driver. Why don’t we just park the bus? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 15:45:44 GMT
Well bring Davies back from Barrow and replace Ehmer, not only is Davies a solid defender but he can bring the ball out from the defence and clear the lines. Has he managed to complete 90 minutes for Barrow yet? Would he really be the answer to come straight in after a year+ of inactivity? I don’t think he even got to play a behind closed doors friendly or under 23 game when completing his rehab - several of those type of games would normally be required before being considered for first team action. I’m sure that if properly managed and organised we have enough decent players to make a defence. Over to Tisdale and his coaching team. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 15:54:47 GMT
When the platform for the creation of chances and making attacks is so poor it's unsurprising we struggle at the top end. I know our strikeforce is inexperienced, but with a decent defence and midfield not giving away goals, and able to present a number of reasonable chances I'm convinced they can score enough goals. Of course another experienced striker in the window would have been good, but our major failings are elsewhere. I and others have said we do need a defensive coach to organise and set up the way to defend in numerous situations - AND we need the on field organisation to ensure we don't just forget in the heat of battle. My priorities would be a GC type coach, an old head defender if there is one out there out of contract, and a similar battling midfielder. Our lack of creativity and ability to break up attacks in midfield is a problem, but so is our ability to hold up the ball in attacking areas to relieve some pressure on the defence. In only 6 games out of 24 in the league we have managed to score two goals or more, that isn't good enough. Our defence isn't the best and neither is our attack. Or midfield. I said during the window that the whole spine of our outfield needs improving and now we have to find a way of doing that without adding to the squad in the transfer market. Maybe a coach or two is the answer, or a magician or miracle worker. Didn't he try a magician when Uri Geller put special crystals behind the goals at Exeter and they still lost I think. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 4, 2021 16:02:37 GMT
Some good news amongst all the gloom, Rovers are up for an award. The EFL are delighted with Rovers efforts to stop the spread of covid . They are impressed that Rovers players have followed social distancing guide lines to the letter by keeping 2 meters and more from any opposition players and even when the opposition fail to follow the rules by getting to close to our defenders are players are quick to react and back away accordingly! Seriously though i have mentioned before that under DC we had a spell of conceding goals for fun and GC was brought in to remedy the situation. This he did with spectacular results and i would have him back in that role in a heart beat. IMHO BG made a huge mistake in dispensing with Craig who was a great positive influence at the back and was the perfect candidate to take on a defensive coaching role eventually. I agree with the OP that we need to address the problem also that i do not see the sense in letting Tom go to Barrow when we had so much trouble at the back, if he is fit to play for Barrow then he was fit and good enough to play for us. I know every one keeps on about a striker but i believe if we got things right at the back then Hanlon, Daly, Ayunga, Nicholson and co would score enough between them to win many more games.
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