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Post by blueridge on Feb 10, 2021 21:57:08 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not.
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 10, 2021 22:20:06 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not. I know plenty of people who suffer from mental health issues who manage to cope and enjoy their day to day high pressure jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
I will stress that this is only my opinion, and not intended to be anything other than conjecture.
But 100% absolutely no to an internal promotion (TW it seems demotion.)
The Academy has been mis-managed for years with both the previous and current incumbent. You only have to look at the quality and I mean serious quality and professionalism of coaches that have come and gone. Luke Smith, now at West Ham, Tim Jones UAE Inter Millan (might be out of date now.) Paul Hughes Ex British Army Football Team Manger / DOF, Alex Hinder 18year Scout to name but a few (I know I have missed people), all of which left / Mutual agreement because of what I can only assume to be mis-direction at the top or narcissism in the ranks or both.( I do not take anything away from Foundation Level however).
These are replaced by well, lets just say different levels of skill set, which is why I cannot understand the current thinking and direction at the club. You have a midfield player that was one of the first to be given a contract in the summer at the expense of other players in my opinion that were better. (I am a football supporter not a coach I must stress). This opinion is based on dragging my kids to watch pre season academy and first team matches back in the day!!!!. This is a similar story in all positions over the last decade.
I don't think we have a lot of choice that is capable at this moment to drag us kicking and screaming out of our current position. DC got us promoted with a Lee Brown goal pointing with both hands at the side of his head "Think, Think, Think" the board might need to "YouTube" this as a reminder.
Do we go the romantic route like Chelsea, Arsenal, Bournemouth, who knows. But seriously that would have to be Ollie until the end of the season, unless there is someone else out their that has the gravitas to pull us out of this S**T.
The bottom line their is no one at the club that is rotten to the core, that can do this for us. It has to be a former Legend or some one new, I don't have the answer.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 11, 2021 4:52:06 GMT
Its a tough one because all our recent success has come from managers appointed from within despite the fans calls each time for the board not to go for the cheap option.
The biggest mistake the board made was by not recruiting from within after GC left. A lot of the staff who worked under him where still at the club and they would most likely have played in the same style as GC and we would have been fine. Then the board could have made a decision to keep those in charge or go for an outsider.
This time I am not so sure. The problem I have is if we appoint from outside, continue to play rubbish and get relegated does that new manager get the boot? It would be unfair on the other two if this one was allowed to stay. You wont get any decent managers accepting a short term contract just to keep us up. You also wont get anyone currently employed, that'll have to wait until the summer.
So maybe our only option is to recruit from within until the end of the season?
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Post by Congas on Feb 11, 2021 6:22:59 GMT
For the record, the three most successful managers who got us into the old second division had all played at the top level.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 11, 2021 6:47:26 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not. true. As mentioned previously listening to him and talking to him after the mental health night at the mem he had no real ambition to pursue management and was happy staying in the background.unless he had a drastic change if heart I cant see that's a path he would choose. His match day routine he had was funny to listen too but you could see how life around a football match had to be a constant. Would have him as a assistant on the touchline though instead of the other two.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 11, 2021 6:50:47 GMT
Its a tough one because all our recent success has come from managers appointed from within despite the fans calls each time for the board not to go for the cheap option. The biggest mistake the board made was by not recruiting from within after GC left. A lot of the staff who worked under him where still at the club and they would most likely have played in the same style as GC and we would have been fine. Then the board could have made a decision to keep those in charge or go for an outsider. This time I am not so sure. The problem I have is if we appoint from outside, continue to play rubbish and get relegated does that new manager get the boot? It would be unfair on the other two if this one was allowed to stay. You wont get any decent managers accepting a short term contract just to keep us up. You also wont get anyone currently employed, that'll have to wait until the summer. So maybe our only option is to recruit from within until the end of the season? The reason GC wasn't popular, despite the league position, was the style of football. Most fans were calling for a more ball playing manager. Kevin Maher was in charge for a few games and I think we lost all of them. Fleetwood just appointed Simon Grayson, a man with 4 promotions to the Championship on his CV, on a short term deal until the end of the season. Although perhaps that's easier in the North West or London where you have a lot of clubs and coaches within commuting distance?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 11, 2021 8:03:51 GMT
There’s actually nobody at the club I’d like to take over. That includes Mansell I’m afraid.
The less said about the first team coaches the better. Although I do like Maher, he’s not management material right now at least.
Hargreaves is a failed manager at a lower level. And you get the impression he prefers the stability of looking after the younger players
Mansell, he’s of course a legend and I appreciate what he’s done for the club. And I’m sure he’s doing a great job with the kids. But stepping up to the plate from that position is a ginormous jump. Not for me sorry.
It’s a rose spectacled appointment
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 11, 2021 8:15:47 GMT
Hiring Manse internally might actually be a better option, looking at the names we’re being linked with doesn’t fill me with confidence.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 11, 2021 8:23:15 GMT
Its a tough one because all our recent success has come from managers appointed from within despite the fans calls each time for the board not to go for the cheap option. The biggest mistake the board made was by not recruiting from within after GC left. A lot of the staff who worked under him where still at the club and they would most likely have played in the same style as GC and we would have been fine. Then the board could have made a decision to keep those in charge or go for an outsider. This time I am not so sure. The problem I have is if we appoint from outside, continue to play rubbish and get relegated does that new manager get the boot? It would be unfair on the other two if this one was allowed to stay. You wont get any decent managers accepting a short term contract just to keep us up. You also wont get anyone currently employed, that'll have to wait until the summer. So maybe our only option is to recruit from within until the end of the season? The reason GC wasn't popular, despite the league position, was the style of football. Most fans were calling for a more ball playing manager. Kevin Maher was in charge for a few games and I think we lost all of them. Fleetwood just appointed Simon Grayson, a man with 4 promotions to the Championship on his CV, on a short term deal until the end of the season. Although perhaps that's easier in the North West or London where you have a lot of clubs and coaches within commuting distance? I'm pretty sure Maher took charge of two games after GC left and won one and drew the other. I still believe that he and the other backroom staff should have stayed in charge until the end of the season. Yes they would have played the same style as GC did, but we would have finished much higher in the league! I don't think he is the best person to take over temporarily now though.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 11, 2021 8:50:12 GMT
Mansell would be liked by the players and fans. Closest appointment we would get to a DC type appointment without actually appointing DC. Clarke and Lines being so quick to support their ex teammate would suggest that Mansell has applied or is at least interested. Yes and they might get a contract out of it
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 11, 2021 8:50:20 GMT
The reason GC wasn't popular, despite the league position, was the style of football. Most fans were calling for a more ball playing manager. Kevin Maher was in charge for a few games and I think we lost all of them. Fleetwood just appointed Simon Grayson, a man with 4 promotions to the Championship on his CV, on a short term deal until the end of the season. Although perhaps that's easier in the North West or London where you have a lot of clubs and coaches within commuting distance? I'm pretty sure Maher took charge of two games after GC left and won one and drew the other. I still believe that he and the other backroom staff should have stayed in charge until the end of the season. Yes they would have played the same style as GC did, but we would have finished much higher in the league! I don't think he is the best person to take over temporarily now though. Sorry I was wrong about Maher, seems he only had 1 match where we drew 0-0 with Peterborough. I think I just associated him with the terrible run at the start of Garner's reign as he seemed quite prominent on the touch line! Joe Dunne took charge of a 1-0 win at Plymouth in the FA Cup replay before following Coughlan to Mansfield
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Post by TugPhase on Feb 11, 2021 9:21:28 GMT
Ollie Clarke and Chris Lines tweeting their support for Mansell. Not sure what it would mean, if anything, but Chris Lines has deleted his tweet. Strange, seemed harmless enough. Lee Brown has also said that he agrees with Mansell. I know they're all mates so it should be taken with a bit of a pinch of salt but it is interesting to see what the Pros think.
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Post by alanrg on Feb 11, 2021 9:32:49 GMT
2 managers sacked Garner and Tisdale no caretaker roles 4 either Mansell or Hargreaves says it all
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Post by blueridge on Feb 11, 2021 10:42:21 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not. I know plenty of people who suffer from mental health issues who manage to cope and enjoy their day to day high pressure jobs. But maybe not having to front up to crowds of people at a football ground screaming abuse and groups on social media calling you out when things almost inevitable start going wrong - and knowing full well that you could ultimately lose your job and possibly your livelihood. I wouldn’t wish that on Lee Mansell in particular, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Club are totally aware of the situation - hence his position as a relatively low profile member of staff.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Feb 11, 2021 10:48:09 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not. He managed to stay ice cool to take the deciding penalty in a play off final penalty shootout in front of just under 50k. If he can do that I reckon he’s up to almost anything.
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 11, 2021 11:53:59 GMT
the thing about maher is he knows the first team players
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Post by RD on Feb 11, 2021 12:03:03 GMT
the thing about maher is he knows the first team players If Maher was remotely in contention, surely he'd have been put in temporary charge rather than demoting a director. Definitely won't be Maher. And I think you could probably argue the same for everyone internally - surely you'd put them in temporary charge if you were considering them as a FT replacement as it's a chance to try before you buy so to speak.
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Post by TAGas on Feb 11, 2021 12:04:27 GMT
I haven't got a clue what the board will do this time. If they want to save money they will hire internally.
I think they sacked Tisdale one) for his snidy post match presser 2) because they want us to stay up.
Its a really tough situation and I don't envy the board at all.
Time will tell. It won't be Widdrington we know he doesn't want it full time.
Could be Mansell
In an ideal world get Darrell Back and Cureton as assistant/striker coach and sack the rest if the back room staff.
Better chance of winning the lottery 😄
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 11, 2021 12:30:47 GMT
Lee Mansell has openly stated he has had issues with his own mental health and suffers with panic attacks - would a man who has struggled with these issues want the pressures and expectations associated with this job - personally I think not. true. As mentioned previously listening to him and talking to him after the mental health night at the mem he had no real ambition to pursue management and was happy staying in the background.unless he had a drastic change if heart I cant see that's a path he would choose. His match day routine he had was funny to listen too but you could see how life around a football match had to be a constant. Would have him as a assistant on the touchline though instead of the other two. The man who took the most important penalty in the history of Bristol Rovers FC, and took it with ice cold blood aiding his most ruthless right foot struggled with mental health? Take a bow Mr Mansell. I very much prefer stories of overcoming mental health issues than stories of acceptance of them. For many, a little dedication, perspective and courage is required. For others, perhaps not so easy. If only we all had stable, happy lives, especially as children, then these issues would be far lower. I hope we learn our lessons as a society, as many less developed places have much better mental health, due to support networks of extended families. In our pursuit of more, faster, sooner, we seem to have forgotten the point. Excuse me while I throw up for saying something so tree-hugger. I’ll be forming a drum circle next.
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