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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 12, 2021 10:26:42 GMT
Anyone know what time the press conference is. 🍿🥤
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 12, 2021 10:30:01 GMT
So is there really a press conference this morning? If so, any idea on what time? Already happened according to radio Bristol. Now seen any details on it yet though. They’ll be busy editing trying to make sense of what the two remaining stooges said The club editing department has come a long way apparently
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 12, 2021 10:31:05 GMT
That word always makes me laugh It's true though, I think there are some weasel's in that board room. Not sure that's quite right? This is an excellent piece (and I hate the Post because they normally cut & paste). The article appears multi sourced from both players, management & ex staff. Any criticism could be portrayed as "weasel words", even if it was/is justified. We do know that PT was given a budget for a striker because he said so in his own Presser on at least two occasions that I can remember. If he put all his hopes on just one player - ie Stockley without a plan B or C then coupled with his comments post Oxford then it was right that he was sacked. It's TW job to sort out the selling club, Agents, transfer/loan fees, signing on fee, medical, accommodation etc, etc. All PT had to do was produce a list. Sounds like that did'nt happen. So what does this mean? "From there, he has left scratching around. He discussed options with people within and outside of club right up to the deadline. Ultimately, he had his say in Rovers’ decision not to sign a forward in the closing days of the window, believing there was not adequate quality or viable options in the market." Does it mean TW lined up an excellent striker who PT rejected coz he felt he didn't need one, or does it mean that TW lined up complete no-hopers who PT didn't want? Or something meaninglessly unspecified in between. Hint: it's the in between one. Also, "discussed options with people within and outside of club", you don't say, what magnificent insight. Not sure why you think (from that article) all he had to do was produce a list and that didn't happen. Seems a bizarre interpretation of what was written. It's just the usual meaningless drivel that passes for journalism at the BP.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 10:49:07 GMT
Not sure that's quite right? This is an excellent piece (and I hate the Post because they normally cut & paste). The article appears multi sourced from both players, management & ex staff. Any criticism could be portrayed as "weasel words", even if it was/is justified. We do know that PT was given a budget for a striker because he said so in his own Presser on at least two occasions that I can remember. If he put all his hopes on just one player - ie Stockley without a plan B or C then coupled with his comments post Oxford then it was right that he was sacked. It's TW job to sort out the selling club, Agents, transfer/loan fees, signing on fee, medical, accommodation etc, etc. All PT had to do was produce a list. Sounds like that did'nt happen.  So what does this mean? "From there, he has left scratching around. He discussed options with people within and outside of club right up to the deadline. Ultimately, he had his say in Rovers’ decision not to sign a forward in the closing days of the window, believing there was not adequate quality or viable options in the market." Does it mean TW lined up an excellent striker who PT rejected coz he felt he didn't need one, or does it mean that TW lined up complete no-hopers who PT didn't want? Or something meaninglessly unspecified in between. Hint: it's the in between one. Also, "discussed options with people within and outside of club", you don't say, what magnificent insight. Not sure why you think (from that article) all he had to do was produce a list and that didn't happen. Seems a bizarre interpretation of what was written. It's just the usual meaningless drivel that passes for journalism at the BP. I interpreted it as saying “we should have kept Garner. The players liked him and we were improving” Sorry - I just had to 🤪
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 10:50:57 GMT
Must be soon... this was tweeted hour ago...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 10:52:26 GMT
Im sure if a struggling fourth division club are looking for a manager Paul will stabilise the team and in time will get them to the play offs and then bring them back down again. We’ve had a few of them at the club over the last couple of decades. I thought the plan with training ground etc was to look up not down Yes I agree that the idea was to look up but again, looking at his history and CV it wouldn’t smack of a bad candidate? I guess bearing in mind we’d be unlikely to pay out huge compensation to buy a manager from another club and the manager would actually have to want to come to us; who would have been your looking upwards choice? I’m struggling to think of anyone realistic ...... I agree with your previous post for the reasons you gave that on the face of it you can see the logic, there is a flip side to that argument though in that what isn’t well known about Tisdale’s reputation is that of late he doesn’t have a reputation for exciting football or developing youth. Exeter and MK dons fans predicted Tisdale’s behaviour at Rovers very accurately because Tisdale is a myth. He makes nonsensical substitutions, formations and line ups and is a busted flush these days. The fact we hired him smacks of a lack of due diligence. Rumour on the other forum is that he was interviewed when we hired Garner and he impressed the board. If true, it again shows the lack of imagination, Tisdale was not the stand out candidate compared to Garner yet they circled back round for him without researching why he might have failed at MK Dons or what he actually did in games rather than what he said he did during an interview. Id like to see a proper process followed this turn round but we don’t have the time so it’s probably going to be a rushed appointment, most likely one that lacks experience and the cycle will start again.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 10:56:12 GMT
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2021 10:59:19 GMT
The caretaker boss has been speaking to the press.
Well Tommy, another hectic few days. Unfortunately it’s becoming something of a pattern over the last couple of months.
Well, if two times is a pattern then it’s the start of a pattern, but it’s not one we want to continue obviously.
As before, I can only say that when these things happen it’s unfortunate that somebody’s losing a job, but we have to carry on as a football club and we have to make sure we look to improve the situation as quickly as we can on the pitch.
The process of finding the new guy will continue, but ultimately in my mind the only thing I’m focused on is the game tomorrow.
'What’s not been going right over the last few weeks?'
We just haven’t won enough football matches, simple as that. It isn’t rocket science, is it?
There’s a reason people are moved from managerial roles and ultimately it’s about results. That’s it, there’s no other reason.
'Why have the performances not been good enough?'
Ultimately the guy who picks, manages and directs the team is responsible. The players are responsible when they cross the white line for their actions, but the buck stops at the manager’s door.
The manager has full control of the selection of the players. In this instance, Paul came in at a time where the squad was, on the whole, in place.
He had the opportunity and did bring in a couple of players in January, and I’m sure you’ll know he was disappointed he didn’t get another one.
But that happens. If we got every single player we wanted to bring to the club then everything would be a different story, but it doesn’t work like that.
The hand that’s dealt to the guy in charge is that hand. How it’s played is up to the manager. It’s as simple as that.
'Is this squad good enough to keep you in League One this season?'
One hundred per cent. I have absolute faith in the squad. I have absolute faith in the way the club have recruited this squad, because the guy the buck stops with has a massive part to play in that.
'That’s two managers gone this season and they haven’t been able to get a tune out of this group yet'
That’s a fair comment and ultimately I understand the frustration of supporters, who are absolutely entitled to their opinion.
What we have to weigh up here is you have to quantify the fact that the loudness of the disgruntled is amplified by the mediums which they are allowed to say what they want.
If the gates were open at the Mem, I know – because I’ve received as many positive messages and emails as I have not so positive – that the voice would undoubtedly be behind the guys.
A lot of our players have unfortunately not experienced the Mem.
Of course a lot of people are upset with what’s happened in terms of results. That’s where they get their frustrations out on a Saturday and they get their camaraderie with their pals and they’re behind the side.
It’s a very different dynamic and I understand that. Believe me, I come from a place very similar to Bristol in Newcastle. It’s a massive city where the football is what we live for. The Gasheads are no different and I understand that.
Trust me, when the boys take to the pitch tomorrow, not that they don’t know, but it will be reiterated to them that pulling on the blue and white quarters is not just playing a game of football on a Saturday afternoon. There is much more involved than that.
You can rest assured that the task in front of them will be simple, it will be clear and they will be able to do what they’re asked to do, simple as that.
'There’s players with a lot of technical ability, but when you compare it to some teams in League One what they do lack in certain parts of the pitch is experience. Is that fair?'
No. We took to the field at Accrington Stanley with 950 plus starts in League One. They had 450.
'But looking at the top end of the pitch you’ve got three strikers and the most experienced is 23. There’s not a lot there in terms of been there, seen it, done it'
More than enough there to score the goals to make sure this club is competitive in this division.
The group we assembled were not assembled as just individuals. They were assembled to play in a certain way. Not in one particular shape, but in a certain style.
They were deemed the right people at the right time. I don’t lose faith in that and if you guys go back historically and look at what you reported when we signed these players, you were all excited. I saw it.
When it isn’t going well it’s your job to report the other. I don’t lose faith. Players don’t become bad players because they come to Bristol Rovers, far from it.
We want to improve them and we want to improve them whilst they’re the pitch.
There are people who have been brought into the football club, even in the past 12 months that because they’re getting game time they are improving as individuals. Therefore the team will turn this corner.
'When you sat in a similar position three or four months ago, you said you didn’t want the job. Is that still the case now?'
Yeah, I have job. I know what my job is, I know what my role is. The club have told me what my role is.
I will be in charge until the next person is put in situ. When that is, I can’t answer that question.
'Realistically, with the run you’re on, it’s about getting a win this weekend. It’s that simple.'
That’s what I said the last time I came in and as far as I’m concerned there’s only one thing on my mind and it’s one game. I’ll be asking the lads to win one football match.
After that one there will be another question for them, but ultimately we know what we’re facing, we have really good resources at this football club to provide the guy who picks the team with all the information in the world, and the players will have visuals and coaching this morning.
The team will be picked and told and we’ll have a task to do tomorrow.
Like I said, the only thing it’s missing in there is the fans. We, more than anybody, would rather the fans be in there than not.
'Have you had to draft anybody else in to help coaching wise, or are you happy with what you’ve got short term?'
We have an excellent staff at this football club. Like I said, the resources that the club provides to the manager – which is me this weekend – couldn’t be sniffed at. It’s better than most clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:01:34 GMT
Looks like Widdrington (not a proper Gashead) is briefing Frost (not even close to a Gashead) that it's Tisdale's (not really a Gashead) fault that we didn't get a striker in. I'm f**king sick to death of all these lady gardens sniffing around our club for their own ends. Good catch, the way it is written you can almost imagine Widdrington looking over Frost’s shoulder saying “it is of course recruitment’s role to work WITH the manager and absolutely NOT against it. Or pick the team. Or to influence tactics. Oh no.”
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2021 11:08:17 GMT
Christ - not sure Tommy could possibly distance himself more this mess if he tried. Disgraceful.
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Post by chilly1883 on Feb 12, 2021 11:13:46 GMT
Who’s actually said about dismissing people? I’ve said they need to start making better football decisions. People at the top, do make bad decisions, as we’ve clearly seen. Hopefully there gonna Learn. Why are you so touchy about our leaders? Have I hit a nerve? I wouldn't have said touchy - more like stark staringly realistic. Perhaps touchy about facile posts. who rattled your cage?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 11:14:00 GMT
Must be soon... this was tweeted hour ago... Starnes looks in a bad way. Hope he is ok. I don’t like him or his way of doing business but wish him no harm personally. The guy looks stressed out and shattered.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 11:14:54 GMT
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Post by TAGas on Feb 12, 2021 11:17:37 GMT
That's what I took from it
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 12, 2021 11:18:57 GMT
Didn’t like the criticism of the experience did he?
In my eyes it’s very fair criticism.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 12, 2021 11:20:46 GMT
Very different tone from last time he was in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:21:00 GMT
Really after the success he had at Exeter with multiple playoff finishes, promotion and giant killings and cup runs as well as selling on a number of developed players for significant profit and also his success with MK Dons in getting them promoted? To me, if you were looking for an experienced manager with a decent CV (which we were) , he’d be a very credible candidate? I can also understand how and why Garner was recruited and why he was supported and backed despite the poor 2nd half of the 19/20 season when he was first appointed. Now people could question hiring an inexperienced manager and then sticking with him but Tisdales CV very much fitted the brief of what we all wanted post Garner - an experienced manager (not coach) who has had success..... people may not like him and could say they’d prefer someone else but they can’t say his profile didn’t fit what was needed. I don’t think anyone could have predicted results would have been so poor under him (although I personally do think injuries, the 2 week COVID break etc has had a major impact on his ability to deliver results) For me, whilst the outcome hasn’t turned out how we wanted, I don’t think Starnes has done too much wrong or should I temper that with I can understand how and why he has taken the actions he has. The only bit I’m surprised at is how quickly Tisdale was sacked - he didn’t have a huge amount of time and personally I’d have given him longer so maybe something else is part of it.... The problem with Tisdale was that he had several shots at L1 football, and hasnt managed any period of sustained success after getting promoted from L2.  His track record suggests he should be a very good football manager higher up the leagues, but hes never been given/taken the opportunity to be successful.  Just drilling down on his stats gave me cause from concern from the off.  I think that because he didnt improve anything of note, failed in the transfer window and then started blaming everyone else around him other than himself, then it was the absolute right decision to get rid of him. Yeah I can see your view... like you say, his CV indicates that he should be a very good manager at League One and above but for whatever reason it has never quite worked out.... for us (and his time at MK Dons to be fair) I think there were potentially mitigating circumstances - as especially leading up to our COVID enforced break we were improving slightly but getting results. After that break and the injuries to Jaak and Nicholson especially, we went to pieces... hence why I would have given him longer, but I can appreciate why you think he went at the right time.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 12, 2021 11:22:15 GMT
So according to Widdrington the desired squad is in place and it's 100% the manager's fault. I think there are 2 issues here and it is something Chewbaca touched on before. Tommy has only been DoF since or just before Tisdale took over. Before he was head of recruitment. He explained his job before as having a network and gathering info on players. The managers says I want a target man, a centre-hald (or whatever specifics) TW goes here's 5, any take your fancy. The manger picks and the club try and sign them He may have gained more responsibility in the meantime, but there is only so much you can do if the money has been spent. We needed an experienced striker in January and quite likely couldn't get one we could afford or who wanted to come. I have no doubt we could have rustled up a 19 year old on loan from any championship club though. It may not have been the best solution but would have been an option. The argument then is who says we aren't doing that?. Tommy Widdrington or Paul Tisdale? because that is either the manager being stubborn or the DoF refusing to sign anybody, and lets not forget we brought in a right back and a keeper, so it's not like we wernt allowed to sign anybody
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 12, 2021 11:22:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:25:25 GMT
Very different tone from last time he was in charge. His arse is twitching like a rabbit’s nose
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