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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2021 21:12:45 GMT
I fear the latter may be true, Topper. We never had an issue bringing players in until Tisdale was in charge.. So, now Tisdales gone we can look forward to these quality strikers signing for us. Well we probably need a manager first. Then the transfer window to be open. Let's see, we didn't struggle before Tisdale - did we?
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Post by henry on Feb 14, 2021 21:24:23 GMT
So, now Tisdales gone we can look forward to these quality strikers signing for us. Well we probably need a manager first. Then the transfer window to be open. Let's see, we didn't struggle before Tisdale - did we? Seeing as the head of recruiting players is the temporary manager I’d expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon regardless. Why do you say we didn’t struggle before Tisdale? Didn’t struggle with bringing in decent players/ strikers? Half that side is below League one standard and look at their pedigree. Why would any half decent striker, if approached, would join this sinking ship? Laying blame at the hands of a man who was only here for two and a half months!! I suggest you open your eyes and don’t believe everything your fellow Mod sprouts.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2021 21:30:40 GMT
Well we probably need a manager first. Then the transfer window to be open. Let's see, we didn't struggle before Tisdale - did we? Seeing as the head of recruiting players is the temporary manager I’d expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon regardless. Why do you say we didn’t struggle before Tisdale? Didn’t struggle with bringing in decent players/ strikers? Half that side is below League one standard and look at their pedigree. Why would any half decent striker, if approached, would join this sinking ship? Laying blame at the hands of a man who was only here for two and a half months!! I suggest you open your eyes and don’t believe everything your fellow Mod sprouts. You expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon, even though the window is closed? I still think we have a decent squad overall, it's just unbalanced. IMO, they're good enough to stay up. I'm not suggesting none of it is TW's fault, I'm just saying that I think the reason we didn't bring a striker in in January is because of Tisdale. The bloke confirmed to us that he had firmed up his plans during the Covid outbreak, so why couldn't he get in any of his targets? The only players Tisdale brought in was his mate from MK Dons and a worse GK than we already have. It's astonishing how little responsibility managers have these days though. As for what another mod "spouts", I personally don't know who, or what you're talking about. Nice theory though.
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Post by henry on Feb 14, 2021 21:37:13 GMT
Seeing as the head of recruiting players is the temporary manager I’d expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon regardless. Why do you say we didn’t struggle before Tisdale? Didn’t struggle with bringing in decent players/ strikers? Half that side is below League one standard and look at their pedigree. Why would any half decent striker, if approached, would join this sinking ship? Laying blame at the hands of a man who was only here for two and a half months!! I suggest you open your eyes and don’t believe everything your fellow Mod sprouts. You expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon, even though the window is closed? I still think we have a decent squad overall, it's just unbalanced. IMO, they're good enough to stay up. I'm not suggesting none of it is TW's fault, I'm just saying that I think the reason we didn't bring a striker in in January is because of Tisdale. The bloke confirmed to us that he had firmed up his plans during the Covid outbreak, so why couldn't he get in any of his targets? The only players Tisdale brought in was his mate from MK Dons and a worse GK than we already have. It's astonishing how little responsibility managers have these days though. As for what another mod "spouts", I personally don't know who, or what you're talking about. Nice theory though. Tonge in cheek re Widderington and new striker. It isn’t up to Tisdale to get the targets through the door, that is Widderingtons job as he has alluded to, to the point of boredom. I agree with what you say about managers but through choice I would bet that a big percentage would want to sign their own players rather than have a player signed for them and hope for the best. It doesn’t work at most Premiership clubs let alone in lower leagues. Williams is a good signing and Day has had a few wobbles but who wouldn’t behind that defence!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 14, 2021 21:46:03 GMT
What is this absolute love-in you’ve got going over Garner - are you his wife/partner/significant other? Stats and facts. What have you got? Are you seriously suggesting that you are using “stats and facts” to support your view that BG is a good manager? If you are then the lunatics have truly taken over the asylum. Blimey, this would make us a laughing stock if anyone form another club was visiting this thread. UTG!
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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2021 21:52:31 GMT
You expect a very decent striker to be at Rovers very soon, even though the window is closed? I still think we have a decent squad overall, it's just unbalanced. IMO, they're good enough to stay up. I'm not suggesting none of it is TW's fault, I'm just saying that I think the reason we didn't bring a striker in in January is because of Tisdale. The bloke confirmed to us that he had firmed up his plans during the Covid outbreak, so why couldn't he get in any of his targets? The only players Tisdale brought in was his mate from MK Dons and a worse GK than we already have. It's astonishing how little responsibility managers have these days though. As for what another mod "spouts", I personally don't know who, or what you're talking about. Nice theory though. Tonge in cheek re Widderington and new striker. It isn’t up to Tisdale to get the targets through the door, that is Widderingtons job as he has alluded to, to the point of boredom. I agree with what you say about managers but through choice I would bet that a big percentage would want to sign their own players rather than have a player signed for them and hope for the best. It doesn’t work at most Premiership clubs let alone in lower leagues. Williams is a good signing and Day has had a few wobbles but who wouldn’t behind that defence! Tbh I'm unsure of what DoF, Head Scout (whatever his title is these days) job actually is. Does he handle the entire process? The manager will surely approve targets and also speak with them as well, right? Whilst the recruitment hasn't been good enough this season, we didn't have an issue getting players through the door until Tisdale came in - that's all I'm saying. I agree that Williams does look a good player. As for Day, far too many wobblies at this level for me. JVS got absolutely crucified for making less mistakes. As for the defence, a good GK & defence come hand in hand, they influence each other. You can see how Jaakola organises them and they also trust him, meaning they play so much better.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 14, 2021 22:07:48 GMT
You can't have been following Rovers for long then. Since 1983...more than most on here Well done you. Then you must remember the teams of the early 2000s? We aren't great at the moment but we're a long way off that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 14, 2021 22:09:48 GMT
Tonge in cheek re Widderington and new striker. It isn’t up to Tisdale to get the targets through the door, that is Widderingtons job as he has alluded to, to the point of boredom. I agree with what you say about managers but through choice I would bet that a big percentage would want to sign their own players rather than have a player signed for them and hope for the best. It doesn’t work at most Premiership clubs let alone in lower leagues. Williams is a good signing and Day has had a few wobbles but who wouldn’t behind that defence! Tbh I'm unsure of what DoF, Head Scout (whatever his title is these days) job actually is. Does he handle the entire process? The manager will surely approve targets and also speak with them as well, right? Whilst the recruitment hasn't been good enough this season, we didn't have an issue getting players through the door until Tisdale came in - that's all I'm saying. I agree that Williams does look a good player. As for Day, far too many wobblies at this level for me. JVS got absolutely crucified for making less mistakes. As for the defence, a good GK & defence come hand in hand, they influence each other. You can see how Jaakola organises them and they also trust him, meaning they play so much better. Given what BG's signings said when they joined us it seems the manager does the hard selling of the club, after which you assume TW's dept sorts out the contractual side once a player has agreed to join us. The manager must also have some direct control over the playing budget if it was BG's decision to start the season with just 3 strikers. If TW had complete control, as some posters seem to be suggesting, then surely he'd have brought in a 4th striker whether BG wanted one or not.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2021 22:11:14 GMT
Tbh I'm unsure of what DoF, Head Scout (whatever his title is these days) job actually is. Does he handle the entire process? The manager will surely approve targets and also speak with them as well, right? Whilst the recruitment hasn't been good enough this season, we didn't have an issue getting players through the door until Tisdale came in - that's all I'm saying. I agree that Williams does look a good player. As for Day, far too many wobblies at this level for me. JVS got absolutely crucified for making less mistakes. As for the defence, a good GK & defence come hand in hand, they influence each other. You can see how Jaakola organises them and they also trust him, meaning they play so much better. Given what BG's signings said when they joined us it seems the manager does the hard selling of the club, after which you assume TW's dept sorts out the contractual side once a player has agreed to join us. The manager must also have some direct control over the playing budget if it was BG's decision to start the season with just 3 strikers. If TW had complete control, as some posters seem to be suggesting, then surely he'd have brought in a 4th striker whether BG wanted one or not. Well put, great post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 22:21:17 GMT
There was no time taken to recruit either of them and perhaps that’s part of the problem- Starnes phoned up and asked for a job and Widdrington was brought in because D.C. knew him. Gorringe seems to have been an astute hire with a good pedigree at another successful club, I’m not sure we can say the same about Widdrington and Starnes CVS. If I was Wael I’d be looking for consultants who can help me identify quality candidates to improve the football ing side of the club, especially seeing this “Rovers DNA” is only going to work with a quality scouting network. I’m not sure anyone can seriously argue, based on the last three windows, that we have a quality scouting network. I can just imagine the meltdown if Wael announced that he's hired a team of consultants to choose the next manager, until we stop appointing clowns as managers I'll refrain from judging the recruitment as it seemed to be OK when GC was operating with the same set up. I'd love to know why no striker would sign for us last month was it lack of £'s, fear of playing for a relegation threatened team, or just not wanting to work with Tisdale Well plenty have argued that we weren’t that good under GC and the table was lying! (I don’t necessarily agree with that, but perhaps they were the inverse of the current lot, low on skill but high on character with an excellent goalkeeper and striker to mask other deficiencies. As individuals only JCH is still in this league after leaving us though) Wrt January by what seems to be in the public domain I think we perhaps were too ambitious in trying to make a marquee signing that only had a small chance of coming off because of our league position. Stockley was maybe the Constable situation all over again. Was it Tisdale who wanted Stockley or Widdrington or both? Who knows, but imo I don’t think he and Gnanduillet were realistic targets and it’s no surprise to me that as soon as a deal with Preston looked possible a bigger club found out about it and gave Stockley a better offer.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 15, 2021 7:02:44 GMT
Out of interest which signings were below league one standard apart from the obvious development players?
Form aside or performance currently the below list were all league 1 players / standard:
- Ehmer - Hanlan - Westbrooke - Oztumer - Baldwin - Nicholson
Players that have proven they are / could be league 1 players with further development:
- Daly - Grant - McCormick - Harries - Tutonda
Players where the jury is out and we need to see:
- Koiki - Ayunga
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Post by surreygas4 on Feb 15, 2021 10:39:20 GMT
Out of interest which signings were below league one standard apart from the obvious development players? Form aside or performance currently the below list were all league 1 players / standard: - Ehmer - Hanlan - Westbrooke - Oztumer - Baldwin - Nicholson Players that have proven they are / could be league 1 players with further development: - Daly - Grant - McCormick - Harries - Tutonda Players where the jury is out and we need to see: - Koiki - Ayunga surely we can only judge them on their performances/form for us?
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 15, 2021 11:11:44 GMT
Out of interest which signings were below league one standard apart from the obvious development players? Form aside or performance currently the below list were all league 1 players / standard: - Ehmer - Hanlan - Westbrooke - Oztumer - Baldwin - Nicholson Players that have proven they are / could be league 1 players with further development: - Daly - Grant - McCormick - Harries - Tutonda Players where the jury is out and we need to see: - Koiki - Ayunga Fair acessment. The only one I would change category is Tutonda. Jury is still out on him for me! I am not a fan of Ayunga & I do expect him to drop back either on loan or an a permanent deal to non-league again next season.
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Post by putterbishopston on Feb 15, 2021 11:25:23 GMT
I can just imagine the meltdown if Wael announced that he's hired a team of consultants to choose the next manager, until we stop appointing clowns as managers I'll refrain from judging the recruitment as it seemed to be OK when GC was operating with the same set up. I'd love to know why no striker would sign for us last month was it lack of £'s, fear of playing for a relegation threatened team, or just not wanting to work with Tisdale Well plenty have argued that we weren’t that good under GC and the table was lying! (I don’t necessarily agree with that, but perhaps they were the inverse of the current lot, low on skill but high on character with an excellent goalkeeper and striker to mask other deficiencies. As individuals only JCH is still in this league after leaving us though) Wrt January by what seems to be in the public domain I think we perhaps were too ambitious in trying to make a marquee signing that only had a small chance of coming off because of our league position. Stockley was maybe the Constable situation all over again. Was it Tisdale who wanted Stockley or Widdrington or both? Who knows, but imo I don’t think he and Gnanduillet were realistic targets and it’s no surprise to me that as soon as a deal with Preston looked possible a bigger club found out about it and gave Stockley a better offer. GC worked for us, defend from the back and hit em on the break, he galvanised a weak team into a formidable, never say die, fighting unit that ground out some near impossible results the ugly way. I have missed his frankness and honesty. Yeah, I miss him, best matches of the last ten years for me under Cogs, Walsall and Ipswich away.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 15, 2021 12:57:43 GMT
Well plenty have argued that we weren’t that good under GC and the table was lying! (I don’t necessarily agree with that, but perhaps they were the inverse of the current lot, low on skill but high on character with an excellent goalkeeper and striker to mask other deficiencies. As individuals only JCH is still in this league after leaving us though) Wrt January by what seems to be in the public domain I think we perhaps were too ambitious in trying to make a marquee signing that only had a small chance of coming off because of our league position. Stockley was maybe the Constable situation all over again. Was it Tisdale who wanted Stockley or Widdrington or both? Who knows, but imo I don’t think he and Gnanduillet were realistic targets and it’s no surprise to me that as soon as a deal with Preston looked possible a bigger club found out about it and gave Stockley a better offer. GC worked for us, defend from the back and hit em on the break, he galvanised a weak team into a formidable, never say die, fighting unit that ground out some near impossible results the ugly way. I have missed his frankness and honesty. Yeah, I miss him, best matches of the last ten years for me under Cogs, Walsall and Ipswich away. I was with you until the last sentence, but if you are talking of the last 10 years, it Daggers at home for me.
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Post by henry on Feb 15, 2021 16:27:22 GMT
Yes, the manager says what he wants, Widderington gives him a choice and he picks the best of a bad bunch basically. Didn’t Cottrill have the same problem over at City? Having players picked for him who he basically didn’t want? Going by one of his last interviews on TV. Decent of you to mention that it’s the board who negotiates contracts! That should put a few noses out of joint when it comes to the Bennet and Nichols contracts and who was to blame for that. So Widdrington picked Williams and Stockley for Tisdale, plus a bunch of random U23 players for Garner? The facts clearly don't support your views, it seems pretty clear the managers pick the players and then TW agrees the deals. Why do I bother Topper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 16:41:45 GMT
Tonge in cheek re Widderington and new striker. It isn’t up to Tisdale to get the targets through the door, that is Widderingtons job as he has alluded to, to the point of boredom. I agree with what you say about managers but through choice I would bet that a big percentage would want to sign their own players rather than have a player signed for them and hope for the best. It doesn’t work at most Premiership clubs let alone in lower leagues. Williams is a good signing and Day has had a few wobbles but who wouldn’t behind that defence! Tbh I'm unsure of what DoF, Head Scout (whatever his title is these days) job actually is. Does he handle the entire process? The manager will surely approve targets and also speak with them as well, right? Whilst the recruitment hasn't been good enough this season, we didn't have an issue getting players through the door until Tisdale came in - that's all I'm saying. I agree that Williams does look a good player. As for Day, far too many wobblies at this level for me. JVS got absolutely crucified for making less mistakes. As for the defence, a good GK & defence come hand in hand, they influence each other. You can see how Jaakola organises them and they also trust him, meaning they play so much better. I assume it’s a mixture- eg Timmy Abraham was tracked by the club for a while (which should worry people in itself) so that seems to have been a player offered to Garner, whereas surely Daly came as a connection of Garner’s at Palace? I can’t see Ayunga as anything but a name that Widdrington passed to Garner from the database as surely Garner would have limited knowledge of that level? Likewise when Garner said “I want ball playing centre backs” I doubt he specifically asked for one from Gillingham or “get me that lad who used to play for Sunderland”. The manager for the most part gets given names of players who fit the requested profile and who the club thinks are both attainable and affordable and then the manager does some homework and decides which one to pursue. I doubt the manager is just giving a list of names to Widdrington because you don’t need a permanent HOR just to work out some contracts.
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