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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 13, 2021 14:37:47 GMT
He mentioned about hopefully brining in experience in January and if the opportunity is there but it is folly to think and say just because Garner was given money then Coughlan would have because he would not have, that is the way I see it judging by the ‘new direction’ experiment. Why is it folly? You affirmed that Cogs left because he wasn’t going to be backed in Jam financially. The following Jan window proves otherwise. The only part which is open to debate is whether we would have signed the same players. But the question of finance is without doubt. Wael has always backed his managers. That’s proven by DC having the biggest playing budget in our history at £2.6m and Cogs playing budget was a slightly reduced £2.2m. Cogs made £1.25 million for this club
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 13, 2021 14:39:42 GMT
In fact going by Google results it’s still only 1 over his last 8 league games and the cup matches would make little difference?! Am I missing something? Last 8 in the league W3 D2 L3 Wins were Lincoln, Northampton and Shrewsbury Draws were Rochdale and Burton Losses were Fleetwood, Hull and Peterborough That’s 11 points from a possible 24 hot stuff. Astounded that since he left us he has yet to feature in a list of managerial candidates for any club on the lookout to replace the ones they sacked. Why aren't these clubs chasing him?I I forget it's because he is a pile if crock and will never ever be given that responsibility again to ruin a football club
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2021 15:12:47 GMT
Blimey, this hindsight stuff is wonderful. But let’s not rewrite this forum last Summer. Most on here, don’t know the % but certainly most were drooling over our recruitment saying how good it was. Optimism was high about the players with most questions over the manager. Obviously it’s been shown that we’re a striker, perhaps two short. And I don’t think anyone is saying or said at any time our midfielders, defenders, keepers are world class, not even when we optimistic. Exaggerating?😉 UTG! I’ve learnt from previous windows not to trust the views on this forum until players have actually played together. I recall Garner’s first window where he got “exceptional backing” and bringing in Harries and Abraham was the best window ever. I’ve noticed over the last few seasons that there are signings who are hailed as being some kind of game changer who often go on to disappoint, Riordan sticks out in particular and also Sam Mathews. Football fans big up their signings, it’s what they do so making the point that most were optimistic about them is a bit like saying “the sun actually rose that day”. As individuals they may have had a good last season but it’s also how they play as a collective and you can only know that once they’ve taken to the pitch so excitement has to be tempered and this season was a case in point. What I will say is that Westbrooke stood out to me because he had won promotion in a Coventry team that had been held up as the standard to emulate, so I was optimistic about him and surprised that he has been such an under performer, although reading between the lines he seems to be one of the players who was selected on technical ability and not much attention paid to attitude perhaps. Other than that I wait until they play as a collective. It’s the right thing to do, wait and see them play. My point was that most on here were optimistic about the signings (not saying you were, but most). And ZW has been a disappointment, so far, no denying that. Yes, fans do big up the signings that are made, a natural optimism I suppose in June and July before the truth sinks in during August and September. I think the signings were ok and better than perhaps some but we need someone to mould them into a team, something BG and Tis weren’t able to do. And I agree, best not to trust the views on this forum, just as I don’t and didn’t trust the views of Exeter fans and MKDons fans when it came to Tis. Too many axes to grind. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 15:34:02 GMT
I’ve learnt from previous windows not to trust the views on this forum until players have actually played together. I recall Garner’s first window where he got “exceptional backing” and bringing in Harries and Abraham was the best window ever. I’ve noticed over the last few seasons that there are signings who are hailed as being some kind of game changer who often go on to disappoint, Riordan sticks out in particular and also Sam Mathews. Football fans big up their signings, it’s what they do so making the point that most were optimistic about them is a bit like saying “the sun actually rose that day”. As individuals they may have had a good last season but it’s also how they play as a collective and you can only know that once they’ve taken to the pitch so excitement has to be tempered and this season was a case in point. What I will say is that Westbrooke stood out to me because he had won promotion in a Coventry team that had been held up as the standard to emulate, so I was optimistic about him and surprised that he has been such an under performer, although reading between the lines he seems to be one of the players who was selected on technical ability and not much attention paid to attitude perhaps. Other than that I wait until they play as a collective. It’s the right thing to do, wait and see them play. My point was that most on here were optimistic about the signings (not saying you were, but most). And ZW has been a disappointment, so far, no denying that. Yes, fans do big up the signings that are made, a natural optimism I suppose in June and July before the truth sinks in during August and September. I think the signings were ok and better than perhaps some but we need someone to mould them into a team, something BG and Tis weren’t able to do. And I agree, best not to trust the views on this forum, just as I don’t and didn’t trust the views of Exeter fans and MKDons fans when it came to Tis. Too many axes to grind. 😉 UTG! Hmm....I want to agree, but in the case of MK and Exeter they called it spot on. Were Walsall fans right about Leahy? Debatable. Were Gillingham fans right about Ehmer and Hanlan? Probably not! So a mixed bag all in all, it depends on the objectivity of the fans in question I guess. But the Tisdale comments were worryingly spot on.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 13, 2021 15:54:35 GMT
The evidence is there in the interview when he is stating that he will be dropping half the team back to school at the end of the game. With the style of football he was playing & Garner in the wings, the decision was already made. I support the club whoever is in charge, it’s their responsibility to run the club successfully. The thing for me with these two is that they take no responsibility at all, people were crying that PT didn’t apologise after Accrington, but these two have presided over 4 managers now, we have a completely unbalanced squad, that to date have shown nothing to suggest they could fight their way out of a paper bag, let alone a relegation scrap, and not once have they said even we may have got it wrong, on the contrary they believe they are blameless. In fact to me they both come across as arrogant. If this was under the last regime we would be shouting for heads to roll at the top. We aren’t this time as there is a nice bloke at the top who is spending his money on the club. I would also say that he is wasting a lot of money due to these two. In my view Wael’s being taken for a ride. We don’t know Wael has refused from that. As AF said previously we don’t know who/what he’s asking for and everyone seems to forget Mansfield approached our manager (illegally). Most People are calling for TW & MS’ head tbf. Many were calling for Waels too until he built us a training ground and wiped out £24m. I agree that Wael is being taken for a ride though, we need to get Ed if those driving ASAP. Agree Gassy, the way of the Mansfield approach was wrong. In today’s world we won’t know for sure the ins & outs of why GC didn’t think he was being backed, I suppose it depends on what / who you believe. Grateful that Wael, has capitalised the debt, however much it was & wrote off the interest too. The financing of the Training ground in these times is fantastic. We can’t forget also that he is paying wages etc. to keep the club going without fans in the stadium, this is probably going to create a new debt, as too will be paying contracts of managers that are no longer here. How long he can do this for I don’t know, at the moment I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem. Sooner or later we will find out if the plan for sustainability will work. The next 3 months will be critical.
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Post by henry on Feb 13, 2021 16:45:35 GMT
We don’t know Wael has refused from that. As AF said previously we don’t know who/what he’s asking for and everyone seems to forget Mansfield approached our manager (illegally). Most People are calling for TW & MS’ head tbf. Many were calling for Waels too until he built us a training ground and wiped out £24m. I agree that Wael is being taken for a ride though, we need to get Ed if those driving ASAP. Agree Gassy, the way of the Mansfield approach was wrong. In today’s world we won’t know for sure the ins & outs of why GC didn’t think he was being backed, I suppose it depends on what / who you believe. Grateful that Wael, has capitalised the debt, however much it was & wrote off the interest too. The financing of the Training ground in these times is fantastic. We can’t forget also that he is paying wages etc. to keep the club going without fans in the stadium, this is probably going to create a new debt, as too will be paying contracts of managers that are no longer here. How long he can do this for I don’t know, at the moment I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem. Sooner or later we will find out if the plan for sustainability will work. The next 3 months will be critical. I do believe you have written ‘ I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem’!! From past experience I am expecting your words to be manipulated and used against you but at the same time agreeing what you have written is right😂
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2021 16:50:46 GMT
It’s the right thing to do, wait and see them play. My point was that most on here were optimistic about the signings (not saying you were, but most). And ZW has been a disappointment, so far, no denying that. Yes, fans do big up the signings that are made, a natural optimism I suppose in June and July before the truth sinks in during August and September. I think the signings were ok and better than perhaps some but we need someone to mould them into a team, something BG and Tis weren’t able to do. And I agree, best not to trust the views on this forum, just as I don’t and didn’t trust the views of Exeter fans and MKDons fans when it came to Tis. Too many axes to grind. 😉 UTG! Hmm....I want to agree, but in the case of MK and Exeter they called it spot on. Were Walsall fans right about Leahy? Debatable. Were Gillingham fans right about Ehmer and Hanlan? Probably not! So a mixed bag all in all, it depends on the objectivity of the fans in question I guess. But the Tisdale comments were worryingly spot on. Yes, it is a mixed bag of views. But, and I know you disagree, I bet Exeter fans’ view of Tis after the season they finished 8th in League 1 would be very different from the views expressed recently. When you stay so long, probably too long at a club you get criticised and that’s what happened to Tis. I think he deserved much longer to prove his capabilities. But that’s just me. Let’s face it, and I know you’re not saying this, those above him who call the shots must be embarrassed about what’s happened and the light it’s shone on them over the past week. UTG!
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 13, 2021 17:47:55 GMT
Last 8 in the league W3 D2 L3 Wins were Lincoln, Northampton and Shrewsbury Draws were Rochdale and Burton Losses were Fleetwood, Hull and Peterborough That’s 11 points from a possible 24 hot stuff. Astounded that since he left us he has yet to feature in a list of managerial candidates for any club on the lookout to replace the ones they sacked. Why aren't these clubs chasing him?I I forget it's because he is a pile if crock and will never ever be given that responsibility again to ruin a football club Just out of interest...what have you done? BG has won the championship playoffs as a first team coach. People that live in glass houses
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 13, 2021 17:52:23 GMT
Agree Gassy, the way of the Mansfield approach was wrong. In today’s world we won’t know for sure the ins & outs of why GC didn’t think he was being backed, I suppose it depends on what / who you believe. Grateful that Wael, has capitalised the debt, however much it was & wrote off the interest too. The financing of the Training ground in these times is fantastic. We can’t forget also that he is paying wages etc. to keep the club going without fans in the stadium, this is probably going to create a new debt, as too will be paying contracts of managers that are no longer here. How long he can do this for I don’t know, at the moment I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem. Sooner or later we will find out if the plan for sustainability will work. The next 3 months will be critical. I do believe you have written ‘ I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem’!! From past experience I am expecting your words to be manipulated and used against you but at the same time agreeing what you have written is right😂 FFS Henry 🤣 Yes, for clarification, I don’t think for one minute he will, even if he could, sell the Mem from under us. From my point of view & from what has been said by the club also, the Mem cannot &/or will not be rebuilt. So at some point we have to move to a new stadium. I don’t know his wealth or how much of it he is prepared to lose. I also don’t think he wants to leave having failed to deliver a stadium, so some who think he is holding up progress by wanting to remain main shareholder, may be right, like everyone on here I don’t have a clue as what he wants to do, but statements like he made around the ‘early stages of planning at the FM’ that he made on radio (Aug ‘19 )? makes me feel he is very naive & just wants to please. To me staying in this division is the priority, in the current climate I don’t think it will be as easy to get out of L2 as some may think. If we do get relegated, a 20000 seater stadium in the middle of town for a 4th tier club, is pie in the sky IMO.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2021 19:03:58 GMT
hot stuff. Astounded that since he left us he has yet to feature in a list of managerial candidates for any club on the lookout to replace the ones they sacked. Why aren't these clubs chasing him?I I forget it's because he is a pile if crock and will never ever be given that responsibility again to ruin a football club Just out of interest...what have you done? BG has won the championship playoffs as a first team coach. People that live in glass houses Paul Trollope (look him up if you don't know who he is) is a very successful coach but a useless manager on his own.
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Post by henry on Feb 13, 2021 20:22:41 GMT
I do believe you have written ‘ I would have thought a lot of his money is protected by any potential sale of the Mem’!! From past experience I am expecting your words to be manipulated and used against you but at the same time agreeing what you have written is right😂 FFS Henry 🤣 Yes, for clarification, I don’t think for one minute he will, even if he could, sell the Mem from under us. From my point of view & from what has been said by the club also, the Mem cannot &/or will not be rebuilt. So at some point we have to move to a new stadium. I don’t know his wealth or how much of it he is prepared to lose. I also don’t think he wants to leave having failed to deliver a stadium, so some who think he is holding up progress by wanting to remain main shareholder, may be right, like everyone on here I don’t have a clue as what he wants to do, but statements like he made around the ‘early stages of planning at the FM’ that he made on radio (Aug ‘19 )? makes me feel he is very naive & just wants to please. To me staying in this division is the priority, in the current climate I don’t think it will be as easy to get out of L2 as some may think. If we do get relegated, a 20000 seater stadium in the middle of town for a 4th tier club, is pie in the sky IMO. Well put. I like that little Idiom ‘pie in the sky’ in your last sentence it sums up everything about the people’s intentions for this club.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 13, 2021 21:48:52 GMT
hot stuff. Astounded that since he left us he has yet to feature in a list of managerial candidates for any club on the lookout to replace the ones they sacked. Why aren't these clubs chasing him?I I forget it's because he is a pile if crock and will never ever be given that responsibility again to ruin a football club Just out of interest...what have you done? BG has won the championship playoffs as a first team coach. People that live in glass houses bit touchy.getting bored on gardening leave are you?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 13, 2021 22:03:52 GMT
I’m not sure. I googled it and it was 6 to 8 league games but 8 came up twice. Not sure what 6 would be. Leave it with me 👍🏻 So I did some research. I got a little side tracked! So Garners season record of 1.1 points per game would have us currently in 17th place. 18 Rochdale 0.96 19 AFC Wimbledon 0.96 20 Bristol Rovers 0.92 21 Wigan Athletic 0.92 22 Northampton Town 0.92 23 Swindon Town 0.86 24 Burton Albion 0.76 Also, he still has a better record than 7 other league managers this season. Last updated: 9th February 2021 at 21:41:39 What is this absolute love-in you’ve got going over Garner - are you his wife/partner/significant other?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 14, 2021 0:23:49 GMT
So I did some research. I got a little side tracked! So Garners season record of 1.1 points per game would have us currently in 17th place. 18 Rochdale 0.96 19 AFC Wimbledon 0.96 20 Bristol Rovers 0.92 21 Wigan Athletic 0.92 22 Northampton Town 0.92 23 Swindon Town 0.86 24 Burton Albion 0.76 Also, he still has a better record than 7 other league managers this season. Last updated: 9th February 2021 at 21:41:39 What is this absolute love-in you’ve got going over Garner - are you his wife/partner/significant other? Stats and facts. What have you got?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 14, 2021 0:24:47 GMT
Just out of interest...what have you done? BG has won the championship playoffs as a first team coach. People that live in glass houses bit touchy.getting bored on gardening leave are you? Genuine question. Straight answer what have you done with your life?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 14, 2021 0:26:52 GMT
Just out of interest...what have you done? BG has won the championship playoffs as a first team coach. People that live in glass houses Paul Trollope (look him up if you don't know who he is) is a very successful coach but a useless manager on his own. You look him up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 8:54:55 GMT
So I did some research. I got a little side tracked! So Garners season record of 1.1 points per game would have us currently in 17th place. 18 Rochdale 0.96 19 AFC Wimbledon 0.96 20 Bristol Rovers 0.92 21 Wigan Athletic 0.92 22 Northampton Town 0.92 23 Swindon Town 0.86 24 Burton Albion 0.76 Also, he still has a better record than 7 other league managers this season. Last updated: 9th February 2021 at 21:41:39 What is this absolute love-in you’ve got going over Garner - are you his wife/partner/significant other? Get over PT = water take BG had the better record at the gas please accept this mate. BTW do you supply PT with his clothes?
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Post by Westy on Feb 14, 2021 9:20:04 GMT
Some of these numbers will be a few out and they're apps not starts. 19 Day 137 Williams 316 Ehmer 48 Kilgour 137 Leahy -> Tutonda 6 23 Grant 55 Westbrooke -> Hargreaves 9 152 Oztumer -> Ayunga 3 23 McCormick 101 Hanlan -> Daly 16 19 Nicholson -> Harries 12 Interesting mix of inexperience and experience. Surprised to see Hanlan had so many apps. 730 performances across 4 players. 30% of all apps are with Ehmer Nicholson actually has 196 matches to his name, just 19 in an English League
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 14, 2021 9:22:38 GMT
730 performances across 4 players. 30% of all apps are with Ehmer Nicholson actually has 196 matches to his name, just 19 in an English League Yeah, I was doing League 1 apps coz TW specified (for some reason) League 1 starts.
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Post by Westy on Feb 14, 2021 9:26:24 GMT
Nicholson actually has 196 matches to his name, just 19 in an English League Yeah, I was doing League 1 apps coz TW specified (for some reason) League 1 starts. Ah nice yeah that's a good point! I was trying to make up the difference to his 950 was it? That he quoted! Maybe there's also cup and friendly matches when those players were in league 1 🤔 statistics eh? You can pull them any which way you like.. I always remember being taught at uni that statistics were research for lazy academics lol!!
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