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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 12, 2021 12:01:42 GMT
Didn’t like the criticism of the experience did he? In my eyes it’s very fair criticism. Would be interesting to see the split of those 950 starts between our defence and attack. I would suggest it will shows the balance of the squad isn't right nor is either part working. Some of these numbers will be a few out and they're apps not starts. 19 Day 137 Williams 316 Ehmer 48 Kilgour 137 Leahy -> Tutonda 6 23 Grant 55 Westbrooke -> Hargreaves 9 152 Oztumer -> Ayunga 3 23 McCormick 101 Hanlan -> Daly 16 19 Nicholson -> Harries 12 Interesting mix of inexperience and experience. Surprised to see Hanlan had so many apps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:04:24 GMT
“That doesn’t mean they’re my players”
I burst out laughing at that one!
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Post by henry on Feb 12, 2021 12:04:25 GMT
Really after the success he had at Exeter with multiple playoff finishes, promotion and giant killings and cup runs as well as selling on a number of developed players for significant profit and also his success with MK Dons in getting them promoted? To me, if you were looking for an experienced manager with a decent CV (which we were) , he’d be a very credible candidate? I can also understand how and why Garner was recruited and why he was supported and backed despite the poor 2nd half of the 19/20 season when he was first appointed. Now people could question hiring an inexperienced manager and then sticking with him but Tisdales CV very much fitted the brief of what we all wanted post Garner - an experienced manager (not coach) who has had success..... people may not like him and could say they’d prefer someone else but they can’t say his profile didn’t fit what was needed. I don’t think anyone could have predicted results would have been so poor under him (although I personally do think injuries, the 2 week COVID break etc has had a major impact on his ability to deliver results) For me, whilst the outcome hasn’t turned out how we wanted, I don’t think Starnes has done too much wrong or should I temper that with I can understand how and why he has taken the actions he has. The only bit I’m surprised at is how quickly Tisdale was sacked - he didn’t have a huge amount of time and personally I’d have given him longer so maybe something else is part of it.... The problem with Tisdale was that he had several shots at L1 football, and hasnt managed any period of sustained success after getting promoted from L2. His track record suggests he should be a very good football manager higher up the leagues, but hes never been given/taken the opportunity to be successful. Just drilling down on his stats gave me cause from concern from the off. I think that because he didnt improve anything of note, failed in the transfer window and then started blaming everyone else around him other than himself, then it was the absolute right decision to get rid of him. Tisdales several shots at League one football consisted of two seasons in League one with Exeter which is some achievement, 12 games with MK Dons after taking them straight back up and two and half months with the shambolic, downward spiralling Rovers! How did he fail in the transfer window? I thought I heard an interview where we approached a striker and got turned down. Williams has been a very good signing has he not? Tisdales time here wasn’t the best results wise at all but something isn’t right as we all know. Widderington is a snake and Starnes not much better as their interviews have shown and confirmed. Widderington has got off Scott free and got what he wanted and the circus continues to roll on. This club has gone backwards six years on the field and forwards to 2030 off it.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 12:05:22 GMT
Here is some more from him what wasn't in that interview. 2 minute clip. It is so unfair for the club to make statements like this and the outgoing managers can’t respond due to being under Non disclosure as part of the settlement payout. Totally unfair only hearing one side of the story We know Tis wanted gnagduillet and stockley. Seeing as he only signed 2 players that is 50% straight away!!
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 12, 2021 12:07:48 GMT
Would be interesting to see the split of those 950 starts between our defence and attack. I would suggest it will shows the balance of the squad isn't right nor is either part working. Some of these numbers will be a few out and they're apps not starts. 19 Day 137 Williams 316 Ehmer 48 Kilgour 137 Leahy -> Tutonda 6 23 Grant 55 Westbrooke -> Hargreaves 9 152 Oztumer -> Ayunga 3 23 McCormick 101 Hanlan -> Daly 16 19 Nicholson -> Harries 12 Interesting mix of inexperience and experience. Surprised to see Hanlan had so many apps. Interesting seeing it like that! I would say that the balance is spot on! (if I hadn't of seen it my head would of said that the squad was inexperienced).
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Post by cj on Feb 12, 2021 12:09:15 GMT
Here is some more from him what wasn't in that interview. 2 minute clip. It is so unfair for the club to make statements like this and the outgoing managers can’t respond due to being under Non disclosure as part of the settlement payout. Totally unfair only hearing one side of the story We know Tis wanted gnagduillet and stockley. Seeing as he only signed 2 players that is 50% straight away!! I was not Tisdale's biggest fan. I wanted him gone weeks ago and I didn't want him full stop. However, I feel so uneasy about TW interviews today. Im not a fan of this guy at all.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 12, 2021 12:09:22 GMT
I’m team Widders . Calls is at he sees it , the players are good enough but the last two managers haven’t got anyway near enough out of them. He’s part of the interviewing team though isn’t he? Yep and for that he has to take his part of the blame. I think it was said it was a 3 man panel , Tom Martin & Wael . Not sure if it’s equal votes or not but ultimately they’ve got it wrong twice in a row. That though doesn’t mean the players aren’t good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:09:46 GMT
Here is some more from him what wasn't in that interview. 2 minute clip. It is so unfair for the club to make statements like this and the outgoing managers can’t respond due to being under Non disclosure as part of the settlement payout. Totally unfair only hearing one side of the story We know Tis wanted gnagduillet and stockley. Seeing as he only signed 2 players that is 50% straight away!! Good point point, the passing of the buck without the right of reply is unprofessional at best bordering on defamation at worst. And at no point is Widderington or Starnes saying “yes, I made a mistake”, no ownership of the situation from either of them. That is really disappointing.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 12, 2021 12:11:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:11:16 GMT
He’s part of the interviewing team though isn’t he? Yep and for that he has to take his part of the blame. I think it was said it was a 3 man panel , Tom Martin & Wael . Not sure if it’s equal votes or not but ultimately they’ve got it wrong twice in a row. That though doesn’t mean the players aren’t good enough. As I said above it would have been refreshing if one of them had held their hands up to something but it’s been an arse covering exercise. Very poor show and if we looked a bit of a basket case to prospective managers yesterday we will look like pariahs today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:11:20 GMT
I agree that this time round we can’t afford to get it wrong and so we need to do a thorough process to get that right person. With that in mind I’d be inclined to have a temporary position till the end of the season and between now and then we go through the process of getting the right manager for them to start in June/July ahead of the summer window and pre season training. Maybe Hargreaves and Mansell duo? Risky I know but I think Mansell will unite the players and fans and Hargreaves is hugely knowledgeable and experienced and has seen these situations before so would add that nouse we need? Why can’t a rapid transition be rushed? This isn’t like when Graham Coughlan did a runner. When BG left and Tisdale was appointed it didn’t have to be a rushed appointment. You don’t sack a manager without having thought it through unless they’ve done something unforgivable off the field. You can plan ahead for these things and making a quick appointment doesn’t suggest you haven’t done due diligence as feelers can be put out before the existing manager goes. Nor do you have to necessarily open up to interview. I agree with you in how Tisdale was appointed I think was reasonable and understandable (I’ve done another post somewhere saying this). This time round though I think we need to be more cautious and go through a process again as we’ve now had 2 managers in quick succession who have not managed to get this squad of potential performing and we can’t afford to get a 3rd manager in who for whatever reason fails.... we also need to think about whether it’s someone to get us back up from League 2 if the worst happens and or is someone who can help establish us as top end competing League 1 side and potentially a championship team. This is all whilst playing attractive football and developing young players.....No mean feat and I’m really struggling to think of a realistic manager that fits that brief!
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 12:11:27 GMT
Would be interesting to see the split of those 950 starts between our defence and attack. I would suggest it will shows the balance of the squad isn't right nor is either part working. Some of these numbers will be a few out and they're apps not starts. 19 Day 137 Williams 316 Ehmer 48 Kilgour 137 Leahy -> Tutonda 6 23 Grant 55 Westbrooke -> Hargreaves 9 152 Oztumer -> Ayunga 3 23 McCormick 101 Hanlan -> Daly 16 19 Nicholson -> Harries 12 Interesting mix of inexperience and experience. Surprised to see Hanlan had so many apps. 730 performances across 4 players. 30% of all apps are with Ehmer
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Post by henry on Feb 12, 2021 12:13:28 GMT
Is Martin Starnes for real? He says Tisdale wasn’t getting the results and said it could not continue yet allowed an egotistical out of work PE teacher to take Rovers from fourth in League one and start the decent into relegation. Rovers are Rotten from the top and it really is getting tedious watching the demise of Rovers, what with Darrel Clarke and his back room staffs hard work in dragging us up from the depths of non League. That has all gone to waste all too easily.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 12:15:20 GMT
Is Martin Starnes for real? He says Tisdale wasn’t getting the results and said it could not continue yet allowed an egotistical out of work PE teacher to take Rovers from fourth in League one and start the decent into relegation. Rovers are Rotten from the top and it really is getting tedious watching the demise of Rovers, what with Darrel Clarke and his back room staffs hard work in dragging us up from the depths of non League. That has all gone to waste all too easily. “Egotistical out of work PE teacher” Excelled yourself there Henry
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Post by yattongas on Feb 12, 2021 12:15:45 GMT
Yep and for that he has to take his part of the blame. I think it was said it was a 3 man panel , Tom Martin & Wael . Not sure if it’s equal votes or not but ultimately they’ve got it wrong twice in a row. That though doesn’t mean the players aren’t good enough. As I said above it would have been refreshing if one of them had held their hands up to something but it’s been an arse covering exercise. Very poor show and if we looked a bit of a basket case to prospective managers yesterday we will look like pariahs today. Professional football is like that at all levels. It was never Garners fault when we lost , never Tisdale’s fault when we lost , it’s not the players Widderington got in etc etc. It’s the same up and down the country at all levels , very very rarely will you hear “ yeah it was my fault we lost today “ .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:16:31 GMT
Is Martin Starnes for real? He says Tisdale wasn’t getting the results and said it could not continue yet allowed an egotistical out of work PE teacher to take Rovers from fourth in League one and start the decent into relegation. Rovers are Rotten from the top and it really is getting tedious watching the demise of Rovers, what with Darrel Clarke and his back room staffs hard work in dragging us up from the depths of non League. That has all gone to waste all too easily. Spot on, all that hard work by Clarke undone in no small part thanks to these two clowns.
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Post by lavalamp on Feb 12, 2021 12:18:50 GMT
No one commenting on this question and answer?
'But looking at the top end of the pitch you’ve got three strikers and the most experienced is 23. There’s not a lot there in terms of been there, seen it, done it'
More than enough there to score the goals to make sure this club is competitive in this division.
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Post by henry on Feb 12, 2021 12:20:25 GMT
If Widderington is the answer, the question surely is, Who has brown dribbles on his chin? He don’t half talk some sh**e.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:20:57 GMT
No one commenting on this question and answer? 'But looking at the top end of the pitch you’ve got three strikers and the most experienced is 23. There’s not a lot there in terms of been there, seen it, done it' More than enough there to score the goals to make sure this club is competitive in this division. Prove it
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Post by henry on Feb 12, 2021 12:21:41 GMT
Is Martin Starnes for real? He says Tisdale wasn’t getting the results and said it could not continue yet allowed an egotistical out of work PE teacher to take Rovers from fourth in League one and start the decent into relegation. Rovers are Rotten from the top and it really is getting tedious watching the demise of Rovers, what with Darrel Clarke and his back room staffs hard work in dragging us up from the depths of non League. That has all gone to waste all too easily. “Egotistical out of work PE teacher” Excelled yourself there Henry Thank you very much Ben.
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