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Post by axegas on Feb 12, 2021 11:44:54 GMT
Another shot at Tisdale by the board. Tbf Starnes is probably right on this one.
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 12, 2021 11:45:42 GMT
Thanks for that Teflon very helpful. I was annoyed as most at the way GC left but you can begin to understand how he must of felt.
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Post by Raj Gas on Feb 12, 2021 11:45:51 GMT
Didn’t like the criticism of the experience did he? In my eyes it’s very fair criticism. Would be interesting to see the split of those 950 starts between our defence and attack. I would suggest it will shows the balance of the squad isn't right nor is either part working.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 11:46:09 GMT
TW said the players were assembled to play in a certain way and style = players and style picked and set by BG.
TW said these young players are improving by playing.
We need 1.3ppg to the end of the season to stay up.
We were on 1.38ppg in garners last 8 games.
So with 1.38ppg and the players being recruited by Garner and improving and frost saying the squad was gutted when garner was sacked...
Big mistake sacking garner by the board
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:46:16 GMT
Looks like we’re all United and behind TW tommorow then! For 90 minutes yes, but at the end of the 90 minutes the buck stops with him.
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Post by axegas on Feb 12, 2021 11:47:07 GMT
TW said the players were assembled to play in a certain way and style = players and style picked and set by BG. TW said these young players are improving by playing. We need 1.3ppg to the end of the season to stay up. We were on 1.38ppg in garners last 8 games. So with 1.38ppg and the players being recruited by Garner and improving and frost saying the squad was gutted when garner was sacked... Big mistake saving garner by the boardGood job they sacked him then!
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Post by cj on Feb 12, 2021 11:48:09 GMT
Did anyone else find it hard to listen to that interview? I thought he came across as arrogant and a tad aggressive/defensive. Took no ownership for his part and firmly laid the blame at Tisdale. I understand his comments about the players being good enough. It wouldn't go down well with the players if he said they were not good enough.
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 12, 2021 11:48:33 GMT
So nothing wrong with the squad and it’s all Tisdales fault according to TW and MS?.. well then Tommy you should be able to get these boys you signed winning games right??... can’t wait to see it
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Post by bluegas on Feb 12, 2021 11:50:17 GMT
I’m in the school of thought that these players are more than good enough to avoid relegation. Yes with a competent manager, someone who gets behind them and drives them on. Still got the home Gillingham game etched in my memory - Evans keeping up a non-stop barrage of encouragement, Tis standing mute like it was nothing to do with him.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 12, 2021 11:51:04 GMT
I’m team Widders . Calls is at he sees it , the players are good enough but the last two managers haven’t got anyway near enough out of them.
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2021 11:51:37 GMT
Absolutely LIVID with TW's interview. I get he won't want to throw himself under the bus but that was disgusting. Absolutely no responsibility taken at all, very snappy remarks and totally delusional also.
We are utterly f**ked. Even worse than I thought.
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 12, 2021 11:53:07 GMT
Overall felt like he didn't agree with Tisdale's appointment in the first place!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:53:13 GMT
“Ultimately the guy who picks, manages and directs the team is responsible. The players are responsible when they cross the white line for their actions, but the buck stops at the manager’s door.” Really didn’t like this line in particular, it feels like he’s trying to drop Tisdale in it as much as he can whilst distancing himself at the same time. Doesn’t sit right with me at all. See where you’re coming from but to me I think he’s bang on... it is the manager who is responsible up until the players are on the pitch at which time it’s down to them to execute. The only things the manager can do during a game is to make decisions to change or tweak things in reaction to how the game is going. My defence for Tisdale as you’ll see in some of my other posts is that I feel he was having to do this with one hand tied behind his back with Covid break happening just as we were coming into form and then key injuries in key positions for a significant period (c5-6 weeks which is around 10-12 games) meaning he couldn’t play his strongest and preferred team or preferred shape etc.... now he made some strange decisions in that time, playing Max at RB rather than JH (who is a RWB to be fair) but Little was still injured then and we didn’t really have anyone else?
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 12, 2021 11:54:13 GMT
From those statements then, Tisdales only mistake was taking the managers job. Sounds to me like he wanted an experienced striker and feels the board didn't back him or do enough to get one. Starnes and Widdrington are still patting themselves on the back for assembling this amazing team and it's all the managers fault..... In reality this squad isn't fast enough, strong enough experienced enough, unbalanced, not clinical enough, I could go on, we are miles off being competitive enough. Its an absolute travisty we find ourselves in this position, we had the chance to be a competitive league one team. When we get relegated, these players will get beasted in league 2 and I fear another relagation battle. The board needs to accept they were wrong and we need another strategy going forward. The squad is most certainly fast enough. It isn’t strong enough or experienced enough. I would add it’s definitely skillfull enough. I actually agree there is more quality in this team than at any time in a long, long time. It’s just unrefined quality, without earning the right to use it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:57:21 GMT
I’m team Widders . Calls is at he sees it , the players are good enough but the last two managers haven’t got anyway near enough out of them. He’s part of the interviewing team though isn’t he?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 12, 2021 11:57:27 GMT
I agree with your previous post for the reasons you gave that on the face of it you can see the logic, there is a flip side to that argument though in that what isn’t well known about Tisdale’s reputation is that of late he doesn’t have a reputation for exciting football or developing youth. Exeter and MK dons fans predicted Tisdale’s behaviour at Rovers very accurately because Tisdale is a myth. He makes nonsensical substitutions, formations and line ups and is a busted flush these days. The fact we hired him smacks of a lack of due diligence. Rumour on the other forum is that he was interviewed when we hired Garner and he impressed the board. If true, it again shows the lack of imagination, Tisdale was not the stand out candidate compared to Garner yet they circled back round for him without researching why he might have failed at MK Dons or what he actually did in games rather than what he said he did during an interview. Id like to see a proper process followed this turn round but we don’t have the time so it’s probably going to be a rushed appointment, most likely one that lacks experience and the cycle will start again. I agree that this time round we can’t afford to get it wrong and so we need to do a thorough process to get that right person. With that in mind I’d be inclined to have a temporary position till the end of the season and between now and then we go through the process of getting the right manager for them to start in June/July ahead of the summer window and pre season training. Maybe Hargreaves and Mansell duo? Risky I know but I think Mansell will unite the players and fans and Hargreaves is hugely knowledgeable and experienced and has seen these situations before so would add that nouse we need? Why can’t a rapid transition be rushed? This isn’t like when Graham Coughlan did a runner. When BG left and Tisdale was appointed it didn’t have to be a rushed appointment. You don’t sack a manager without having thought it through unless they’ve done something unforgivable off the field. You can plan ahead for these things and making a quick appointment doesn’t suggest you haven’t done due diligence as feelers can be put out before the existing manager goes. Nor do you have to necessarily open up to interview.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:57:53 GMT
Overall felt like he didn't agree with Tisdale's appointment in the first place! Why have a DOF if they aren't part of manager selection? Sounds like Tisdale was doomed to fail even before he arrived.
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Post by cj on Feb 12, 2021 11:59:30 GMT
Here is some more from him what wasn't in that interview. 2 minute clip.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:59:43 GMT
“Ultimately the guy who picks, manages and directs the team is responsible. The players are responsible when they cross the white line for their actions, but the buck stops at the manager’s door.” Really didn’t like this line in particular, it feels like he’s trying to drop Tisdale in it as much as he can whilst distancing himself at the same time. Doesn’t sit right with me at all. See where you’re coming from but to me I think he’s bang on... it is the manager who is responsible up until the players are on the pitch at which time it’s down to them to execute. The only things the manager can do during a game is to make decisions to change or tweak things in reaction to how the game is going. My defence for Tisdale as you’ll see in some of my other posts is that I feel he was having to do this with one hand tied behind his back with Covid break happening just as we were coming into form and then key injuries in key positions for a significant period (c5-6 weeks which is around 10-12 games) meaning he couldn’t play his strongest and preferred team or preferred shape etc.... now he made some strange decisions in that time, playing Max at RB rather than JH (who is a RWB to be fair) but Little was still injured then and we didn’t really have anyone else? The thing is Tisdale was given Jonah Ayunga avian Harries to work with. Some of them are good enough, but enough to make a solid XI with a spine? Pfffffft. You can see why Widdrington wants to lay the blame at the manager’s door. He’s like Rovers version of Rasputin.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 12, 2021 12:01:16 GMT
I agree that this time round we can’t afford to get it wrong and so we need to do a thorough process to get that right person. With that in mind I’d be inclined to have a temporary position till the end of the season and between now and then we go through the process of getting the right manager for them to start in June/July ahead of the summer window and pre season training. Maybe Hargreaves and Mansell duo? Risky I know but I think Mansell will unite the players and fans and Hargreaves is hugely knowledgeable and experienced and has seen these situations before so would add that nouse we need? Why can’t a rapid transition be rushed? This isn’t like when Graham Coughlan did a runner. When BG left and Tisdale was appointed it didn’t have to be a rushed appointment. You don’t sack a manager without having thought it through unless they’ve done something unforgivable off the field. You can plan ahead for these things and making a quick appointment doesn’t suggest you haven’t done due diligence as feelers can be put out before the existing manager goes. Nor do you have to necessarily open up to interview. However, if you go maverick and get it wrong you open yourselves up to criticism. Snappy sackings, snappy appointments and no interview process... But it’s all the managers fault
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