Garner vs Tisdale in Numbers

I make it 11 league fixtures. 14 cup but I think I may be missing the carabao cup. He was fired 14th nov after fleetwood and 11v11 make it 11 fixtures on the 15th nov that had been completed in their historical league table.

www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/15-november-2020/

One of our exhalted friends is keen to point out that Garner achieved 1.38 PPG over his last 8 games.

When you go online looking for these stats, in my experience they don't always consistently show league only or all competitions which can make comparison difficult.

This has encouraged me to do some comparative statistics between Paul Tisdale and Ben Garner's tenures as manager, by taking out results from Wikipedia for this season in all competitions, plus Garners tenure as manager in the league last season (because I got bored and couldn't be bothered to do the whole hog).

I have cut this in many forms. From Total Tenure, to Current Season to Date (relevant mostly to BG of course), to last 8 and last 6 games. I have also prepared season to date figures, which is an interesting way at looking at Garners form too.       

Some interesting findings are that both managers had a win ratio of 19% in the league at the point of dismissal as Bristol Rovers manager. However, Paul Tisdale had a slightly worse PPG than Garner at 0.75 to Garner's 0.85. Extrapolate this over 46 games and both would almost certainly get us relegated with 39 (BG) and 35 (PT) points. 

Some say take a look at Garner's season to date. Yes this was vastly improved and results in a points per game of 1.09. This would see us get 50 points over the course of the season. So we may very well have escaped relegation under a full season of Garner. However, is that good enough? I'd wager not. The board clearly agreed.

What about the last few games of their tenures? PTs form was so terrible it isn't worth mentioning. BG did achieve 1.38 over his last 8 games, a win ratio of 0.38 and a 46 game extrapolation of 63. However, that is overshadowed by looking at the last 6 specifically, where this drops to 0.83,0.17 and 38 points respectively.

I think from my perspective it's fair to say neither manager was performing, even if you consider the most recent games to look for a matter of progress. Does PTs poor performance make BG a better manager? Perhaps statistically, but overall, both managers will go down as some of the worst performing managers in the history of our club.


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You can hopefully download my 'homework' here if you wish to see it for transparency sake.

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Hopefully we can discuss this here and draw a line under the discussion of Garner's points per game and move on.

Why didn't he, Cotteril at Shrewsbury had a similar amount of time? Why bring in a goalie and RB in January when we were crying out for goal scorers?

Why didn't he, Cotteril at Shrewsbury had a similar amount of time? Why bring in a goalie and RB in January when we were crying out for goal scorers?

There's alot to think about in all of this as Garner was bought in here to transform the squad and help make the club to become more sustainable. This project was what Wael wanted so I disagree with the people who say he dispanded a team that was 4th. Alot of this was down to players on contracts that were running out and were on high wages allegedly and remember we tried to keep Ollie Clarke but decided to leave and JCH wanted to move on as well.
This was a project that was always going to take time as we started the season with basically a totally new squad which would take a couple of seasons to gel history of other teams overhauling there squad will tell you that.
The reaction of most on here and other forms of social media was of excitement of these signings but with any signing there is no guarantees they would all be a success.
We had a tough set of fixtures to start of with especially when the team would need a few competitive games to settle and to be honest they were not as bad as some make out and when the fixtures became a little easier our points returns started to improve.
There was always going to be bumps in the road and the Fleetwood performance which ended in Garner getting the sack was poor but for me not worthy of sacking a manager unlike the Accrington performance which was a total disgrace.
The players bought in wanted to join and were impressed with Garners style and views of how to play the game and I believe with time and a couple of additions in January would have seen us have a comfortable season without the relegation battle we find ourselves in.
They also never downed tools and didn't want to play for him there was commitment every game.
I know I will get slated for this but it's my opinion and I don't lay this all on BG he was bought here to overhaul the club and wasn't given the necessary time that would take to do this it could never have been an overnight project.

There's alot to think about in all of this as Garner was bought in here to transform the squad and help make the club to become more sustainable. This project was what Wael wanted so I disagree with the people who say he dispanded a team that was 4th. Alot of this was down to players on contracts that were running out and were on high wages allegedly and remember we tried to keep Ollie Clarke but decided to leave and JCH wanted to move on as well.
This was a project that was always going to take time as we started the season with basically a totally new squad which would take a couple of seasons to gel history of other teams overhauling there squad will tell you that.
The reaction of most on here and other forms of social media was of excitement of these signings but with any signing there is no guarantees they would all be a success.
We had a tough set of fixtures to start of with especially when the team would need a few competitive games to settle and to be honest they were not as bad as some make out and when the fixtures became a little easier our points returns started to improve.
There was always going to be bumps in the road and the Fleetwood performance which ended in Garner getting the sack was poor but for me not worthy of sacking a manager unlike the Accrington performance which was a total disgrace.
The players bought in wanted to join and were impressed with Garners style and views of how to play the game and I believe with time and a couple of additions in January would have seen us have a comfortable season without the relegation battle we find ourselves in.
They also never downed tools and didn't want to play for him there was commitment every game.
I know I will get slated for this but it's my opinion and I don't lay this all on BG he was bought here to overhaul the club and wasn't given the necessary time that would take to do this it could never have been an overnight project.

This is emotional waffle