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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:47:42 GMT
"Only by doing so, and losing the reputation of being ‘selling clubs’, can Rovers and City hope to develop models that bring long-term success"Sorry Olly there aren't many clubs in the world who aren't 'selling clubs'. "Managers change so often these days that players, many of whom fail to show sufficient pride in the badge, seem to accept it as a natural occurrence"Like you did Olly declaring your undying love before jumping from one club to the next, and changing colours more often than a Chameleon. "City fans might find it hard to believe, but if Rovers can’t reach the top flight,
nothing would please me more than for Steve Lansdown to take his club up from the That's any chance he had of getting in the hall of fame gone!
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Post by yetigas on Feb 19, 2021 15:53:07 GMT
Broadly I think IH is correct. To establish a new approach (younger players to develop), bring in a rookie manager to play a new system, recruit players to play that system, then sack him, suggest that those recruiting him neither did proper due diligence, nor had a realistic plan on how long a new system with new manager would take to bed in. We all know the results were not great but the players were showing signs of making the system work, and BG was learning all the time in very difficult circumstances (both personal and professional).
The story was repeated with PT - the short time in post suggests a complete failure of those appointing him to do proper due diligence. So lets not make the same mistake again - the process should not be rushed and when we appoint it should be for a minimum 3 years. If we don't have the confidence to do that, then it suggests to me that there is no confidence in the recruitment procedure to find the right man.
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Post by 4d on Feb 19, 2021 15:53:44 GMT
Most of what he says is spot on. Most successful teams have shown a bit of a patience with a manager. I’m sure most of the experts on here declared us in a relegation battle in 06/07 (12 points in first 12 games) and in 14/15 (8 points in first 7 games) and demanded the manager be sacked. Both times we stuck by the manager and won promotion. It seems to me constantly sacking a manager achieves little but a lot of money wasted in compensation payments. I guess that doesn't include standing by Holloway by Geoff Dunford, and not getting promotion? After which he wanted to leave and, I believe, went to QPR. Holloway was sacked by Dunford and although he’d made mistakes in the transfer window that season history would suggest we couldn’t have done much worse if we’d stuck by him and let him try to turn it around.
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Post by rusho'gas on Feb 19, 2021 15:56:02 GMT
Lets go with Judas Lansdown.
Oh how I'd love to find a picture of rosey in a rovers shirt,can you imagine the meltdown 🤪 Bristol City majority shareholder Steve Lansdown has been talking about his involvement at the club. Talking to BBC Radio Bristol on Saturday he revealed how he began watching Bristol Rovers in the 1960s but then switched to following City when the Gas moved to Twerton Park and to take son - and Bristol City vice-chairman - Jon Lansdown with him. These days, Lansdown senior has invested to help renovate the Ashton Gate stadium to the tune of £45m while Lansdown junior also helps run the club at BS3. If things had worked out differently, perhaps the City supremo may have been bankrolling Rovers... "As a boy I came up watching the Rovers down at Eastville. I can't remember my first game but I think it was around '63-64. "I went there because my friend took me - I went with a friend and his dad and went backwards and forwards to Eastville to watch them there," revealed Steve about his early Bristol football experiences.
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Post by 4d on Feb 19, 2021 16:00:05 GMT
Most of what he says is spot on. Most successful teams have shown a bit of a patience with a manager. I’m sure most of the experts on here declared us in a relegation battle in 06/07 (12 points in first 12 games) and in 14/15 (8 points in first 7 games) and demanded the manager be sacked. Both times we stuck by the manager and won promotion. It seems to me constantly sacking a manager achieves little but a lot of money wasted in compensation payments. You can’t stick by him when the players have stopped playing for him. Imo it’s a disgrace that the players get slapped on the back for deigning to put some effort in when they have been hiding the last few weeks and costing us points, Day especially. But that’s football for you and the club is left with no choice but to let the manager go because they can’t let all the players go. That being said I doubt Tisdale helped in motivating them but he may have been operating with his hands tied behind his back at the same time. I think Tisdale was an awful appointment and never the right man to carry out the plan the board have for the club. That said, I’m not 100% sure the players had stopped playing for him. Thought that after Accrington but then the games against oxford and Fleetwood had no shortage of effort. In fact i don’t think there was that much difference in the way we played against Portsmouth other than having a big man to get on the end of our long balls forward, which does seem kind of obvious if you’re gonna play that way.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 19, 2021 16:11:59 GMT
Have the greatest respect for Ollie as a player and his contribution to the Rovers story but sometime wish he would back off from talking about Rovers now and channel his opinions to talk about football in general as he is in danger of alienating even fans, like me who hold him in high regard .
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 19, 2021 16:15:42 GMT
Oh how I'd love to find a picture of rosey in a rovers shirt,can you imagine the meltdown 🤪 Bristol City majority shareholder Steve Lansdown has been talking about his involvement at the club. Talking to BBC Radio Bristol on Saturday he revealed how he began watching Bristol Rovers in the 1960s but then switched to following City when the Gas moved to Twerton Park and to take son - and Bristol City vice-chairman - Jon Lansdown with him. These days, Lansdown senior has invested to help renovate the Ashton Gate stadium to the tune of £45m while Lansdown junior also helps run the club at BS3. If things had worked out differently, perhaps the City supremo may have been bankrolling Rovers... "As a boy I came up watching the Rovers down at Eastville. I can't remember my first game but I think it was around '63-64. "I went there because my friend took me - I went with a friend and his dad and went backwards and forwards to Eastville to watch them there," revealed Steve about his early Bristol football experiences. Ah ,that explains why he is keeping City where they are, he is really a closet Rovers Fan, no shame Steve, time to come out!
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Post by LJG on Feb 19, 2021 16:19:23 GMT
Gas legend. Won't hear a word against him. Obvs entitled to your opinion - but , I’m afraid - more fool you 😣utg More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 19, 2021 16:58:08 GMT
Obvs entitled to your opinion - but , I’m afraid - more fool you 😣utg More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club. I think the point is Holloway needs to learn when to Shut up! Sometimes it's better to say nothing and keep your views quite.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 19, 2021 17:07:02 GMT
Haven’t read it.
The clubs situation is owed to sticking by Garner too long and letting him assemble a squad.
Tisdale clearly wasn’t working with murmurings of discontent in the dressing room with his management, according to the BP after he got the chop.
If we’d have stuck with Tisdale too we’d have been sucked even further into the relegation battle.
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Post by LJG on Feb 19, 2021 17:07:17 GMT
More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club. I think the point is Holloway needs to learn when to Shut up! Sometimes it's better to say nothing and keep your views quite. He gets paid to have a view, it's his job. It's an honest living and not harming anyone.
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Post by 4d on Feb 19, 2021 17:20:43 GMT
Obvs entitled to your opinion - but , I’m afraid - more fool you 😣utg More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club. I’m inclined to agree. Few players have done as much for the club as Holloway and as manager he assembled the best team I’ve ever seen in the quarters. If anyone is entitled to their view it’s him.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 19, 2021 18:00:15 GMT
I think the point is Holloway needs to learn when to Shut up! Sometimes it's better to say nothing and keep your views quite. He gets paid to have a view, it's his job. It's an honest living and not harming anyone. Your missing the point. The original poster was talking about his legendary status. Taking massive swipes at the club like he has in the last two "paid too" articles damages that status. Both pieces have been very badly worded and could have nuanced much much better to say the same thing.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 19, 2021 18:10:36 GMT
Haven’t read it. The clubs situation is owed to sticking by Garner too long and letting him assemble a squad. Tisdale clearly wasn’t working with murmurings of discontent in the dressing room with his management, according to the BP after he got the chop. If we’d have stuck with Tisdale too we’d have been sucked even further into the relegation battle. Spot on. Mistakes have been made by the board, but the main one was getting rid of Garner too late. It should have been as soon as the season was called off. He took a team from 4th and his form was LDLLLLDDLLDWLLLW. That person is on now way a manager. If we’d have done that, we almost certainly wouldn’t be in the position we find ourselves today.
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Post by BS6 Gas on Feb 19, 2021 18:15:24 GMT
support The Gas as we do ,through thick and thin! You must be new here? Absolutely agree. His opinion is shocking and should be kept to himself. Massive fall from grace in my opinion.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 19, 2021 18:19:39 GMT
Haven’t read it. The clubs situation is owed to sticking by Garner too long and letting him assemble a squad. Tisdale clearly wasn’t working with murmurings of discontent in the dressing room with his management, according to the BP after he got the chop. If we’d have stuck with Tisdale too we’d have been sucked even further into the relegation battle. Spot on. Mistakes have been made by the board, but the main one was getting rid of Garner too late. It should have been as soon as the season was called off. He took a team from 4th and his form was LDLLLLDDLLDWLLLW. That person is on now way a manager. If we’d have done that, we almost certainly wouldn’t be in the position we find ourselves today. Plus due to quickly dispersing any promotion hopes, Garner had the novelty of having the end of last season as an extended pre season...and we were still awful this season.
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Post by rosssgb on Feb 19, 2021 18:20:16 GMT
Most of what he says is spot on. Most successful teams have shown a bit of a patience with a manager. I’m sure most of the experts on here declared us in a relegation battle in 06/07 (12 points in first 12 games) and in 14/15 (8 points in first 7 games) and demanded the manager be sacked. Both times we stuck by the manager and won promotion. It seems to me constantly sacking a manager achieves little but a lot of money wasted in compensation payments. Amazed but not surprised people have taken issue with Ollie. His article is spot on for me, but god forbid people question the running of the club. Yet again instead of reasoned debate people turn to calling him a d*ckhead and other personal insults. Place is going to the dogs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 19, 2021 18:20:38 GMT
BG's last game we got stuffed 4-1 at home by Fleetwood, in PT's we got beat 2-0 at home be Oxford, in TW's first game with the same group of players we beat Pompey 3-1, if Ollie wants to have a pop at anybody surely he should be questioning why BG & PT were so useless. Suggesting he's like the 82er's get promoted his sheer nonsense, anyway I thought he was apparently still moving to the north, if so, what interest as he got in either Bristol side getting promoted?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 19, 2021 18:23:55 GMT
More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club. I think the point is Holloway needs to learn when to Shut up! Sometimes it's better to say nothing and keep your views quite. I’m not disputing what you say of Holloway as a player , I too , have wonderful memories of his passion and enthusiasm, but with respect that was a long time ago . Do u not remember when asked by Colin Murray when QPR were playing us “ well, Ollie you will obviously be rooting for the gas “ he replied .” No , QPR actually “ . He wasn’t at that time employed by QPR . How many colour bloods has he bled ? Starts to lose credence after a while I’m afraid ! Utg💙
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 19, 2021 18:25:36 GMT
BG's last game we got stuffed 4-1 at home by Fleetwood, in PT's we got beat 2-0 at home be Oxford, in TW's first game with the same group of players we beat Pompey 3-1, if Ollie wants to have a pop at anybody surely he should be questioning why BG & PT were so useless. Suggesting he's like the 82er's get promoted his sheer nonsense, anyway I thought he was apparently still moving to the north, if so, what interest as he got in either Bristol side getting promoted? He thinks he is still relevant, but he isn't. All he is doing is winding up fans and club officials alike, but I guess its good clickbait and that's what matters in the post. Id sooner he just retired peacefully in silence and enjoy the fruits of his career.
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