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Post by wiaww on Feb 19, 2021 18:30:02 GMT
Most of what he says is spot on. Most successful teams have shown a bit of a patience with a manager. I’m sure most of the experts on here declared us in a relegation battle in 06/07 (12 points in first 12 games) and in 14/15 (8 points in first 7 games) and demanded the manager be sacked. Both times we stuck by the manager and won promotion. It seems to me constantly sacking a manager achieves little but a lot of money wasted in compensation payments. I'm not sure "most successful teams" tend to go on extended runs of such poor from as Garner and Tisdale did. Garner took 31 points from 34 games - that sacking doesn't need any explaining as that form replicated over a full season only ever leads to relegation. Tisdale will, no doubt, feel slightly more hard done by. 18 points from 19 games. Unfortunately his predecessor's performance meant that time wasn't a luxury he had. But more than 50% of his points were picked up in his first 6 games in charge, and it's disingenuous to suggest we were anything other than absolutely dire in most of the games Tisdale oversaw. If Ollie wants to criticise the board then he can question the appointments, but to put blind faith in a manager miraculously turning things around (Garner) means that sometimes incoming mangers don't get as much time as they'd like (Tisdale). He can't have it both ways.
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Post by bobbyjones on Feb 19, 2021 18:30:55 GMT
Holloways all washed up and finished no one wants him.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 19, 2021 18:33:30 GMT
Shame , but I agree and he only has himself to blame ! Utg
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Post by 4d on Feb 19, 2021 19:26:29 GMT
Most of what he says is spot on. Most successful teams have shown a bit of a patience with a manager. I’m sure most of the experts on here declared us in a relegation battle in 06/07 (12 points in first 12 games) and in 14/15 (8 points in first 7 games) and demanded the manager be sacked. Both times we stuck by the manager and won promotion. It seems to me constantly sacking a manager achieves little but a lot of money wasted in compensation payments. I'm not sure "most successful teams" tend to go on extended runs of such poor from as Garner and Tisdale did. Garner took 31 points from 34 games - that sacking doesn't need any explaining as that form replicated over a full season only ever leads to relegation. Tisdale will, no doubt, feel slightly more hard done by. 18 points from 19 games. Unfortunately his predecessor's performance meant that time wasn't a luxury he had. But more than 50% of his points were picked up in his first 6 games in charge, and it's disingenuous to suggest we were anything other than absolutely dire in most of the games Tisdale oversaw. If Ollie wants to criticise the board then he can question the appointments, but to put blind faith in a manager miraculously turning things around (Garner) means that sometimes incoming mangers don't get as much time as they'd like (Tisdale). He can't have it both ways. As the thread Is about Holloway you could look at his first season as well - little more than a point per game in his first 36/37 games and flirting with the drop zone until a decent run pulled us clear. Inconceivable to think he’d have lasted those 37 games in today’s climate and he then went on to give us 2 seasons where we came closer than we have since to making the 2nd tier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 19:52:24 GMT
Obvs entitled to your opinion - but , I’m afraid - more fool you 😣utg More fool me for standing by the guy who put Devon through on goal against City, who took us into a play-off spot as player-manager, who is a lifelong gashead? Don't think so. I'm not a fan of tearing down legends just because they happen to be human beings. This forum loves to tear strips off people who were good servants of the club. Well said LJG
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Post by LJG on Feb 19, 2021 21:24:08 GMT
He gets paid to have a view, it's his job. It's an honest living and not harming anyone. Your missing the point. The original poster was talking about his legendary status. Taking massive swipes at the club like he has in the last two "paid too" articles damages that status. Both pieces have been very badly worded and could have nuanced much much better to say the same thing. Nah, I'm not missing the point. OP says he's a dickhead. I don't believe in swiping at a good servant of the club for doing his job as a newspaper columnist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 22:00:12 GMT
Your missing the point. The original poster was talking about his legendary status. Taking massive swipes at the club like he has in the last two "paid too" articles damages that status. Both pieces have been very badly worded and could have nuanced much much better to say the same thing. Nah, I'm not missing the point. OP says he's a dickhead. I don't believe in swiping at a good servant of the club for doing his job as a newspaper columnist. His job ? His hoby, making unfounded claims at the club a-long with saying as he wants city in the prem. Lost a lot of respect from me !
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Post by LJG on Feb 19, 2021 22:11:44 GMT
Nah, I'm not missing the point. OP says he's a dickhead. I don't believe in swiping at a good servant of the club for doing his job as a newspaper columnist. His job ? His hoby, making unfounded claims at the club a-long with saying as he wants city in the prem. Lost a lot of respect from me ! You don't think he gets paid to write the column?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 22:20:22 GMT
His job ? His hoby, making unfounded claims at the club a-long with saying as he wants city in the prem. Lost a lot of respect from me ! You don't think he gets paid to write the column? Isit his full time job y/n ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 23:32:18 GMT
Holloway is unlikely to manage in the EFL again in my view. He's had a good career and can still make a few bob as a comic pundit. Clearly no love lost between TW and Ollie but not sure what's to gain from the increasing snipping at the club he says he loves. Unlikely to get many invitation to the Directors box at the Mem which is a shame. Holloway has got to that stage where I feel the less he says the more he might shine. A touch of the bitter old man coming out from him recently I think.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 19, 2021 23:49:46 GMT
Spot on , westwindy utg
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Post by graceyboy on Feb 20, 2021 12:37:50 GMT
Holloway is unlikely to manage in the EFL again in my view. He's had a good career and can still make a few bob as a comic pundit. Clearly no love lost between TW and Ollie but not sure what's to gain from the increasing snipping at the club he says he loves. Unlikely to get many invitation to the Directors box at the Mem which is a shame. Holloway has got to that stage where I feel the less he says the more he might shine. A touch of the bitter old man coming out from him recently I think. I think you're right. There appears to be a lot of bitterness there. Undoubtedly comes from the way he was given the cold shoulder by the club when there was a big clamour to appoint him when coughlan left. The club went for garner, he had his nose out of joint so is sniping at the board as way of revenge. Can't blame him really. He's not getting at brfc, just the people who run it
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Post by graceyboy on Feb 20, 2021 12:51:00 GMT
Ollie clearly splits opinions on here.. Probably between the older forum members who actually remember him as a player and manager for us who are pro ollie and the much younger members on here (the majority) that don't and just remember him as the characature making a fool of himself on TV by saying stupid things in every interview who are anti ollie. The fact is, he would give us a massive media profile if he was still here which may attract investment as sky and the media love him. He was a decent manager here and a legend as a player and there was never anyone more passionate about rovers or their club than him. Not only for nostalgic reasons but also because of his experience and love of the club and man management ability, I'd love to see him back. Under this administration though, it's not going to happen. He snipes in the media because he is a passionate fan that wants to see us do well and holds a bit of bitterness towards the administration. I do concede however that his reputation has been harmed by the stupid things he says in the media which makes him sound like a cringe worthy joke but in his mind, probably thinks he sounds like a Greek philosopher. He's not particularly intelligent but let's not let what he's said in the last few years define him or tarnish the good he did at the club.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 20, 2021 13:20:43 GMT
I don’t fit in to your criteria ,I watched Holloway at his best - but don’t buy into “ I am forever a gas head “ actions and words disprove that , in latter years , I’m afraid . Utg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 20, 2021 13:26:13 GMT
He is a bitter man , where the gas are concerned !
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 20, 2021 19:51:02 GMT
Olly shoots from the hip but after playing hundreds of games as a pro, managing in the Prem and being promoted from the championship a few times I would say his opinion holds a lot of weight.
there are many examples of managers starting badly and coming good....if you give me Olly’s opinion versus Widdrington, Starnes and Wael combined I would take Olly’s all day long.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 20, 2021 20:08:37 GMT
In all his managerial career not once did we get a player from any of his clubs.One player we were after on loan from him he refused and then promptly loaned him to our next oppenents wycombe
Even with jermaine easter who was training with the kids at millwall and d clarke wanted him.nope next day back in the millwall squad and played hardball.
Never seen at a rovers game unless the camera is in his face. Great player for us and did well as a manager here. But not the rovers man he portrays
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 20, 2021 20:13:51 GMT
In all his managerial career not once did we get a player from any of his clubs.One player we were after on loan from him he refused and then promptly loaned him to our next oppenents wycombe Even with jermaine easter who was training with the kids at millwall and d clarke wanted him.nope next day back in the millwall squad and played hardball. Never seen at a rovers game unless the camera is in his face. Great player for us and did well as a manager here. But not the rovers man he portrays Doesn’t make him wrong.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 20, 2021 20:45:36 GMT
In all his managerial career not once did we get a player from any of his clubs.One player we were after on loan from him he refused and then promptly loaned him to our next oppenents wycombe Even with jermaine easter who was training with the kids at millwall and d clarke wanted him.nope next day back in the millwall squad and played hardball. Never seen at a rovers game unless the camera is in his face. Great player for us and did well as a manager here. But not the rovers man he portrays I second all of above , well said utg
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Post by bluegas on Feb 20, 2021 20:49:50 GMT
In all his managerial career not once did we get a player from any of his clubs.One player we were after on loan from him he refused and then promptly loaned him to our next oppenents wycombe Even with jermaine easter who was training with the kids at millwall and d clarke wanted him.nope next day back in the millwall squad and played hardball. Never seen at a rovers game unless the camera is in his face. Great player for us and did well as a manager here. But not the rovers man he portrays Doesn’t make him wrong. A stopped clock is right twice a day. All I've read from him are platitudes and second hand snippets he's picked up elsewhere. I've never read any great insight. But then, he probably doesn't even actually write it.
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