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Post by 1986gashead on Mar 12, 2021 6:49:35 GMT
As Wael really binned Phase 2 of the Quarters development, or is this another ITK'er making something a fact which may not be the case, as the feedback from the posters who've talked to workmen etc seems to suggest there's still plenty of work being planned at Almondsbury. Regardless I assume JB will want to replicate the impressive Fleetwood (Academy?) training complex at Rovers? Well I don’t know anything about it myself but personally I’d be more inclined to listen to the workmen who are actually there doing it.. surely they’d know as well/better than most
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 12, 2021 7:14:13 GMT
I don't know how the academy works so cant comment but if Hargreaves was given a pro contract simply because of his father I'd expect him to have been released by now. I might be wrong but I'm sure he's not a first year pro now so he must have been given a new contract since then, that cant be his dads decision as well
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Post by pirate on Mar 12, 2021 8:41:59 GMT
I assume JB will want to replicate the impressive Fleetwood (Academy?) training complex at Rovers? I can't see our facility ever being at that level.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 12, 2021 8:48:49 GMT
I don't know how the academy works so cant comment but if Hargreaves was given a pro contract simply because of his father I'd expect him to have been released by now. I might be wrong but I'm sure he's not a first year pro now so he must have been given a new contract since then, that cant be his dads decision as well He's been picked by three or four (guessing) different managers. Chris Hargreaves must be some sort of evil genius super villain running a clandestine cult using his magical mind control powers to pull this off. Has anyone noticed that whenever Cameron takes the field, you get a whiff of brimstone in your nostrils and a dark fog descends over the pitch, and then suddenly you wake up and the match is over, but you can't remember anything about his game. You're just left with a strange voice in your head saying 'Cameron Hargreaves isn't as sh** as you thought' going round and round your head, and there's a strange mark on the side of your head?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 8:50:34 GMT
Who have we released (of Hargreaves' era) who have gone on to bigger and better things? Evander Grubb? Yeh, but what have the Romans ever done for us. I don't think the focus should just be on what players have gone up the ladder to better things but why we aren't producing homegrown players that we sell on up the ladder to reduce our annual losses. The original point of this thread was Exeter and they have a tremendous record of doing just that. I wouldn't compare the potential of the first team itself but there shouldn't be any reason why they shame us on player development.
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Post by pirate on Mar 12, 2021 8:53:23 GMT
Yeh, but what have the Romans ever done for us. I don't think the focus should just be on what players have gone up the ladder to better things but why we aren't producing homegrown players that we sell on up the ladder to reduce our annual losses. The original point of this thread was Exeter and they have a tremendous record of doing just that. I wouldn't compare the potential of the first team itself but there shouldn't be any reason why they shame us on player development. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, we got the lad Niall Lovelock from The Romans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 8:58:53 GMT
Yeh, but what have the Romans ever done for us. I don't think the focus should just be on what players have gone up the ladder to better things but why we aren't producing homegrown players that we sell on up the ladder to reduce our annual losses. The original point of this thread was Exeter and they have a tremendous record of doing just that. I wouldn't compare the potential of the first team itself but there shouldn't be any reason why they shame us on player development. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, we got the lad Niall Lovelock from The Romans. Yeh but........
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Post by barumgas on Mar 12, 2021 9:09:29 GMT
Yeh, but what have the Romans ever done for us. I don't think the focus should just be on what players have gone up the ladder to better things but why we aren't producing homegrown players that we sell on up the ladder to reduce our annual losses. The original point of this thread was Exeter and they have a tremendous record of doing just that. I wouldn't compare the potential of the first team itself but there shouldn't be any reason why they shame us on player development. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, we got the lad Niall Lovelock from The Romans. As the saying goes: Rome wasn't built in a day
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Mar 12, 2021 9:12:10 GMT
My take on it with a glass half full perspective, is that things aren’t great at this point in time (and thank you for Gasgas for explaining the lower level details I’m not close to at all), and we have been 20 years behind a lot of other teams who have gone down the route we are now taking.
But since Wael has taken full control, it seems phase 2 of the quarters is to still go ahead, scouts are now being employed again to source talent locally and further afield and what we’ve done well in previous years compared to all these other clubs around us, is that we still consistently give our academy players a chance I.e Hargreaves, Kilgour the current crop.
I would like to see Mehew, Walker, Tomlinson and Hoole become the next generation coming through.
So it might not be great right now, but give it time and with Wael, Joey and Hargreaves guidance and hopefully shared vision, we’ll see a significant improvement in our youth set up.
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Post by albaron on Mar 12, 2021 10:46:36 GMT
As was mentioned earlier in the thread, we got the lad Niall Lovelock from The Romans. As the saying goes: Rome wasn't built in a day Agree -- But also it was'nt in a foundation stage for over 100 years either.
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 12, 2021 11:54:38 GMT
I see today they are advertising for scouts. About time !
Voluntary (Expenses) basis.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Mar 12, 2021 12:55:09 GMT
I see today they are advertising for scouts. About time !
Voluntary (Expenses) basis. From what understand the scouting set up is miles behind our beloved rivals. I know a scout from Bridgwater who is part of the junior club my son is at and I help out at and he was scouting for Rovers when I 1st met him. Not long after he left the Rovers set up to link up with City as they would pay him expenses to go and watch junior football where Rovers would only pay you if a player was recruited to the academy. We are losing scouts all the time due to the fact there is nothing in it for them and this needs to change quickly if we want to build a successful academy.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 12, 2021 15:10:37 GMT
Voluntary (Expenses) basis. From what understand the scouting set up is miles behind our beloved rivals. I know a scout from Bridgwater who is part of the junior club my son is at and I help out at and he was scouting for Rovers when I 1st met him. Not long after he left the Rovers set up to link up with City as they would pay him expenses to go and watch junior football where Rovers would only pay you if a player was recruited to the academy. We are losing scouts all the time due to the fact there is nothing in it for them and this needs to change quickly if we want to build a successful academy. Rovers are literally miles behind everyone within a 40 mile radius, no scouting presence in the area the fact that a BIC development team (basically v good grass roots boys) turned over their u13s academy so easily says it all the best unsigned boys in Bristol play for BIC and BIC only feed city.....
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 12, 2021 16:16:02 GMT
It's good that we have identified a problem area as until we are honest with ourselves and realise there is a problem in the first place there is no way of addressing it.
So, with that in mind, what needs to be done to correct that?
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Post by poorblue on Mar 12, 2021 16:54:59 GMT
I assume JB will want to replicate the impressive Fleetwood (Academy?) training complex at Rovers? I can't see our facility ever being at that level.Perhaps if you went and stood on the bridge over the M5 you would be at a higher level and could see The Quarters properly rather than speculate on what you cant see or know about. For instance could you see what has been achieved before it was announced and being constructed in the middle of a pandemic? Some people can't or won't see the future until it happens then it's the present or the past
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Post by pirate on Mar 12, 2021 18:55:35 GMT
I can't see our facility ever being at that level.Perhaps if you went and stood on the bridge over the M5 you would be at a higher level and could see The Quarters properly rather than speculate on what you cant see or know about. For instance could you see what has been achieved before it was announced and being constructed in the middle of a pandemic? Some people can't or won't see the future until it happens then it's the present or the past Thanks for the advice, but I dont need to stand over the M5 to see what facilities we have. The wonders of modern technology. Before you or anyone else gets their knickers in a twist, I'm grateful to Wael for what he's doing with the training ground, but I stand by my comment on the comparison in reply to Topper, which wasn't a criticism but an observation. I've seen our barn converted gym and the new club house, which don't compare to what is on offer at Fleetwood. Again, not a criticism, just an observation. Fleetwood have seven top class grass pitches, two FIFA 2-star grade (the highest grade possible) 4G pitches, four red 5-a-side pitches, the first team and academy gym, plus a restaurant open to the public.[/div]
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Post by chilly1883 on Mar 12, 2021 19:24:36 GMT
From what understand the scouting set up is miles behind our beloved rivals. I know a scout from Bridgwater who is part of the junior club my son is at and I help out at and he was scouting for Rovers when I 1st met him. Not long after he left the Rovers set up to link up with City as they would pay him expenses to go and watch junior football where Rovers would only pay you if a player was recruited to the academy. We are losing scouts all the time due to the fact there is nothing in it for them and this needs to change quickly if we want to build a successful academy. Rovers are literally miles behind everyone within a 40 mile radius, no scouting presence in the area the fact that a BIC development team (basically v good grass roots boys) turned over their u13s academy so easily says it all the best unsigned boys in Bristol play for BIC and BIC only feed city..... Thats clearly not true, there are other development groups, much better than BIC, definitely in the U14
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 12, 2021 19:35:50 GMT
Perhaps if you went and stood on the bridge over the M5 you would be at a higher level and could see The Quarters properly rather than speculate on what you cant see or know about. For instance could you see what has been achieved before it was announced and being constructed in the middle of a pandemic? Some people can't or won't see the future until it happens then it's the present or the past Thanks for the advice, but I dont need to stand over the M5 to see what facilities we have. The wonders of modern technology. Before you or anyone else gets their knickers in a twist, I'm grateful to Wael for what he's doing with the training ground, but I stand by my comment on the comparison in reply to Topper, which wasn't a criticism but an observation. I've seen our barn converted gym and the new club house, which don't compare to what is on offer at Fleetwood. Again, not a criticism, just an observation. Fleetwood have seven top class grass pitches, two FIFA 2-star grade (the highest grade possible) 4G pitches, four red 5-a-side pitches, the first team and academy gym, plus a restaurant open to the public. [/div]
[/quote] I was referring to duplicating the idea/eros not an exact the replica of F/w training complex, although Assuming Phase 2 is still planned, we won't be a million miles behind F/w's, we'll have 3 or 4 full size pitches, a goalie pitch, and a 4G (or 3G) floodlit pitch, possibly the only pitches really missing will be the 5 a side ones, and I assume we can survive w/o those?
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 12, 2021 23:34:10 GMT
Thanks for the advice, but I dont need to stand over the M5 to see what facilities we have. The wonders of modern technology. Before you or anyone else gets their knickers in a twist, I'm grateful to Wael for what he's doing with the training ground, but I stand by my comment on the comparison in reply to Topper, which wasn't a criticism but an observation. I've seen our barn converted gym and the new club house, which don't compare to what is on offer at Fleetwood. Again, not a criticism, just an observation. Fleetwood have seven top class grass pitches, two FIFA 2-star grade (the highest grade possible) 4G pitches, four red 5-a-side pitches, the first team and academy gym, plus a restaurant open to the public. [/div]
[/quote] I was referring to duplicating the idea/eros not an exact the replica of F/w training complex, although Assuming Phase 2 is still planned, we won't be a million miles behind F/w's, we'll have 3 or 4 full size pitches, a goalie pitch, and a 4G (or 3G) floodlit pitch, possibly the only pitches really missing will be the 5 a side ones, and I assume we can survive w/o those? [/quote] The thing to remember with the Quarters is that it remains a work in progress with additional facilities incorporated over time. Looking at the original 2001 plans, it seems there is room for 6 full sized pitches and 2 smaller ones. Womble did a good photo shop on the Quarters thread (page 27) with 5 full sized pitches and a series of 7- and 5-a side ones. So whilst we are not likely to have the numbers at Fleetwood (4-6 verses 9), in time they'll be sufficient for our needs I would presume. Where I think we are losing out will be the main building, maybe the potential to expand will offer opportunities but it does seem small by comparison. developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=QJJDBFOK0F100
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Post by Warmley gas on Mar 17, 2021 16:12:57 GMT
1-0 Win for the u23’s today. Not as many fringe players as last week, good to see starts for Gorman & Budd from the u18’s. Except for Mehew all the subs were u18’s as well
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