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Post by alanrg on Mar 15, 2021 10:48:49 GMT
Anybody else think that League One is the hardest it has ever been if we survive this season looking at the teams who could be there Sheffield Wednesday Birmingham Bolton it could be even harder next season thoughts
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Post by LJG on Mar 15, 2021 10:56:30 GMT
Anybody else think that League One is the hardest it has ever been if we survive this season looking at the teams who could be there Sheffield Wednesday Birmingham Bolton it could be even harder next season thoughts Yes. Basically as more money piles in to the leagues above first the leagues below become more competitive and then they become harder. The Championship has gone out the other side and has become impossible without splashing millions. League One I think has just finished its really fun super competitive phase and is beginning its big money impossible phase. League Two might start looking a bit more fun over the next few years - I just pray we're not in it to see it. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 15, 2021 11:00:12 GMT
Yeah but then consider that most likely a Hull and a Sunderland will probably go up and Wycombe will also come down, I don’t really see Bolton as a big club these days either.
2009-10 had Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Charlton, Brighton (Pre-Amex), Huddersfield. There are always big, underperforming clubs in this division.
Luton, Burton, Wycombe and Lincoln so far this season should give us inspiration that clubs of our level can find success if we get it right.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 15, 2021 11:40:32 GMT
Yeah but then consider that most likely a Hull and a Sunderland will probably go up and Wycombe will also come down, I don’t really see Bolton as a big club these days either. 2009-10 had Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Charlton, Brighton (Pre-Amex), Huddersfield. There are always big, underperforming clubs in this division. Luton, Burton, Wycombe and Lincoln so far this season should give us inspiration that clubs of our level can find success if we get it right. I agree I don't think its necessarily harder than it was say ten years ago. You can say around 2009 was when this league started to become more competitive when Leeds were the first of the ex premier league teams to drop down two divisions. Lots have come down since. Some went straight back up, some took a long time to get promoted and Portsmouth and Bolton dropped even further. Almost every year now we see at least one of these teams drop down to our level. Hull this season, Ipswich the season before etc. Most years its one of these teams, with some of the yo yo clubs (Rotherham, Doncaster etc) who go up but you still get the odd exception from time to time (Wycombe) |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 15, 2021 12:13:24 GMT
There has always been a club to come down from the Championship and go back up after a year or 2. Following Rovers ive been to Southampton, Coventry, Nottingham Forrest, and Leicester on top of the ones that have been mentioned. I have also seen other clubs bigger than us become established back in the championship after years of stagnation like Preston, Bristol City and Cardiff.
Some clubs were the similar size or smaller than us have also gone onto better things, like Brentford, Brighton and Swansea mainly because they got their own house in order and capitalised on promotions.
The 99/2000 season was pivotal in our history when you look back at it. Had we finsihed that job off then there would have been every chance we would have sorted the stadium and been in a much better position rather than languishing in the bottom halves of L2 and worse for most of the next 20 years.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Mar 15, 2021 12:20:03 GMT
‘Twas ever thus, get it right we could be a Burnley, Bournemouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Brighton, Brentford, etc. Get it wrong we could be a Stockport, Chesterfield, Notts County, Grimsby, York or Wrexham.
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Post by axegas on Mar 15, 2021 12:23:06 GMT
Yeah but then consider that most likely a Hull and a Sunderland will probably go up and Wycombe will also come down, I don’t really see Bolton as a big club these days either. 2009-10 had Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Charlton, Brighton (Pre-Amex), Huddersfield. There are always big, underperforming clubs in this division. Luton, Burton, Wycombe and Lincoln so far this season should give us inspiration that clubs of our level can find success if we get it right. I agree I don't think its necessarily harder than it was say ten years ago. You can say around 2009 was when this league started to become more competitive when Leeds were the first of the ex premier league teams to drop down two divisions. Lots have come down since. Some went straight back up, some took a long time to get promoted and Portsmouth and Bolton dropped even further. Almost every year now we see at least one of these teams drop down to our level. Hull this season, Ipswich the season before etc. Most years its one of these teams, with some of the yo yo clubs (Rotherham, Doncaster etc) who go up but you still get the odd exception from time to time (Wycombe) I think the start was actually slightly before Leeds, when Nottingham Forest and Leicester City came down, two massive clubs for this division. Especially Forest who were winning European Cups in the 80s. I think most of us know this by now but the main cause was the influx of top international talent that Premier League clubs rely on these days, pushing English footballers that would have had careers in the top flight into the Championship and thereby pushing good Championship players into League One. It’s also due to the Brentford/Swansea/Reading/Wigan/Cardiff/Bournemouth’s pushing traditional bigger clubs down the pecking order and into league one. History counts for little in modern football. It makes it harder for Rovers to compete in L1 than 20/30 years ago but on the flip side means that we can attract slightly better players (in theory) and compete with bigger clubs which is good from a revenue standpoint. |
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Post by gregsy on Mar 15, 2021 12:31:00 GMT
Its same for everyone though, teams end up where they are on merit and nothing else.... Having traditionally big clubs doesn't necessarily make it harder....
Reminds of the old, "what weighs more, a ton of bricks, or a ton of feathers".....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 12:46:22 GMT
‘Twas ever thus, get it right we could be a Burnley, Bournemouth, Cardiff, Swansea, Brighton, Brentford, etc. Get it wrong we could be a Stockport, Chesterfield, Notts County, Grimsby, York or Wrexham. Or like everything Rovers, somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 12:47:05 GMT
Its same for everyone though, teams end up where they are on merit and nothing else.... Having traditionally big clubs doesn't necessarily make it harder.... Reminds of the old, "what weighs more, a ton of bricks, or a ton of feathers".....Ooooh i love these, what sort of feathers? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2021 13:16:16 GMT
I actually think the opposite Re next season. I think it will be weaker. All the fancied sides are up there this year and if we could lose say Hull, Peterborough and Sunderland. That's 3 big clubs that are likely to be up there every season.
Another thing with those teams coming down is none have been in the prem that recently.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 15, 2021 14:01:29 GMT
I think it’s more the standard has of the league has improved and we have not. Teams that were at our level have moved on and many that were below have overtaken us.
Our infrastructure though improving is still Lower league two/conference.
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Post by albaron on Mar 15, 2021 14:21:08 GMT
There has always been a club to come down from the Championship and go back up after a year or 2. Following Rovers ive been to Southampton, Coventry, Nottingham Forrest, and Leicester on top of the ones that have been mentioned. I have also seen other clubs bigger than us become established back in the championship after years of stagnation like Preston, Bristol City and Cardiff. Some clubs were the similar size or smaller than us have also gone onto better things, like Brentford, Brighton and Swansea mainly because they got their own house in order and capitalised on promotions. The 99/2000 season was pivotal in our history when you look back at it. Had we finsihed that job off then there would have been every chance we would have sorted the stadium and been in a much better position rather than languishing in the bottom halves of L2 and worse for most of the next 20 years. What was pivotal that season was the game away at Reading at the end of march where we lost 2 nil. Until this day we have never really recovered. It was basically downhill from there. |
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Post by BS6 Gas on Mar 15, 2021 15:49:16 GMT
I actually think the opposite Re next season. I think it will be weaker. All the fancied sides are up there this year and if we could lose say Hull, Peterborough and Sunderland. That's 3 big clubs that are likely to be up there every season. Another thing with those teams coming down is none have been in the prem that recently. Peterborough, big club ? Never have been and never will be. They just have a more than decent buying & selling structure in place |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2021 15:56:30 GMT
I actually think the opposite Re next season. I think it will be weaker. All the fancied sides are up there this year and if we could lose say Hull, Peterborough and Sunderland. That's 3 big clubs that are likely to be up there every season. Another thing with those teams coming down is none have been in the prem that recently. Peterborough, big club ? Never have been and never will be. They just have a more than decent buying & selling structure in place In terms of ambition, yes, big club. |
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Post by 1986gashead on Mar 15, 2021 16:00:55 GMT
There are big clubs in league one every season, will be more and more as other clubs continue to grow I guess, not enough room up there for everyone lol as for the standard.. I don’t think the actual football that’s been on display is anything special at all
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Post by LJG on Mar 15, 2021 16:39:22 GMT
I actually think the opposite Re next season. I think it will be weaker. All the fancied sides are up there this year and if we could lose say Hull, Peterborough and Sunderland. That's 3 big clubs that are likely to be up there every season. Another thing with those teams coming down is none have been in the prem that recently. Peterborough, big club ? Never have been and never will be. They just have a more than decent buying & selling structure in place I really love these "big club" debates. They're so easily resolved because everyone agrees on what they mean by the words "big club" and so its always a reasoned and well balanced discussion rather than people just yabbering the same two words back and forth at each other with a yes or a no in front of it. |
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Post by Marshy on Mar 15, 2021 16:42:25 GMT
Peterborough, big club ? Never have been and never will be. They just have a more than decent buying & selling structure in place I really love these "big club" debates. They're so easily resolved because everyone agrees on what they mean by the words "big club" and so its always a reasoned and well balanced discussion rather than people just yabbering the same two words back and forth at each other with a yes or a no in front of it. Yes. |
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 15, 2021 16:48:30 GMT
Why go up, just wait and they all come down, Aston Villa; leeds etc 😊
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 15, 2021 16:51:12 GMT
I like the way all the new players say "Yeah it's great to be here, great to be at a big club" We are not a big club. If we hadn't sold Eastville instead we turned it in to a 35,000 seater then yes we probably would be a big club
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