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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2021 22:23:47 GMT
It’s a very difficult thing for Barton to explain so pegging it onto standards and readiness, preparation is about as far as he can go publicly He needs to keep the team bouyant, positive , motivated And clearly every fibre of his being wants to scream the things we all know They are too inexperienced and the team is generally too green and defensively poor and more than likely not good enough overall They are just about good enough going forward, can score goals here and there, even ride a bit of luck and gain a 2-0 lead but how much longer will it be before before the front men really start to detest the back men This job will be enough to test a saint , let’s hope St Joseph has enough patience to see these 11 games out , remember the potential of this club and ride the storm cos I think he’s ready to rip it up right now . Last night was a massive kick in the teeth , absolutely massive Doesn't that make Wriddington's position untenable given he was HoR last summer? The more you hear the more you wonder how he got promoted to DoF following BG's departure. I wonder how much longer Wael will take of JB questioning the way the club's been run in the past?
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 17, 2021 23:34:27 GMT
It’s a very difficult thing for Barton to explain so pegging it onto standards and readiness, preparation is about as far as he can go publicly He needs to keep the team bouyant, positive , motivated And clearly every fibre of his being wants to scream the things we all know They are too inexperienced and the team is generally too green and defensively poor and more than likely not good enough overall They are just about good enough going forward, can score goals here and there, even ride a bit of luck and gain a 2-0 lead but how much longer will it be before before the front men really start to detest the back men This job will be enough to test a saint , let’s hope St Joseph has enough patience to see these 11 games out , remember the potential of this club and ride the storm cos I think he’s ready to rip it up right now . Last night was a massive kick in the teeth , absolutely massive Doesn't that make Wriddington's position untenable given he was HoR last summer? The more you hear the more you wonder how he got promoted to DoF following BG's departure. I wonder how much longer Wael will take of JB questioning the way the club's been run in the past? Perhaps JB is just the person to pull the owners head out of the sand . He’s the one that’s been around the block , he’s the one that’s seen how things are and get done at the highest level. Rovers are currently a rich mans toy and people like Starnes are hanging on for the ride IMO widdrington was never as smug as when he presided over the Pompey win, been pretty quiet ever since tho and the penny will surely drop for Wael if a third manager cannot string two wins together from this squad the blame lies with Garner but Widdrington gave him the list.......
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 18, 2021 8:50:53 GMT
Doesn't that make Wriddington's position untenable given he was HoR last summer? The more you hear the more you wonder how he got promoted to DoF following BG's departure. I wonder how much longer Wael will take of JB questioning the way the club's been run in the past? Perhaps JB is just the person to pull the owners head out of the sand . He’s the one that’s been around the block , he’s the one that’s seen how things are and get done at the highest level. Rovers are currently a rich mans toy and people like Starnes are hanging on for the ride IMO widdrington was never as smug as when he presided over the Pompey win, been pretty quiet ever since tho and the penny will surely drop for Wael if a third manager cannot string two wins together from this squad the blame lies with Garner but Widdrington gave him the list....... Barton is the only person at the club who has a clue about what it takes to be a winner. This season has been entirely predictable based upon what happened almost the moment that the utterly incompetent Garner was appointed. In fact Garner was so incompetent you have to give him credit because to take a team that was 4th top to 4th bottom so quickly means you have to make a lot of consistent and insightful decisions to so comprehensively wreck something. If someone had set out to do it on purpose they couldn’t have done any better. Anyway, enough about that fraud. If we stick with Barton we will water League 2 next season.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 18, 2021 8:55:05 GMT
Joey is certainly administering a reprimand.
You can read into this several ways. I hear the comments on morale. It can be a little overstated. Of course, in our professional lives, we want high morale/low pressure. Most people don’t want to be challenged.
However, getting the best out of someone or something isn’t best determined by asking them what they want. That’s like trying to ask a fish what the best way to catch it is. The fish doesn’t know, and if he did, he wouldn’t tell you.
Pressure can be a wonderful thing. It’s a painful thing, but people don’t give the rocket for no reason. It can bring up the tempo immediately.
You can’t get long term benefit from a hostile atmosphere, but what it can do is partly raise standards. You can do “nice” when those standards are met. You then create an environment where nobody wants the bad times of defeat and poor planning. Everyone wants the happy times when everyone is doing their bit.
Creating a culture does indeed need consequences. It’s very modern to talk of well-being and such like, but that isn’t the reality of psychology. Things matter. Actions matter. If you aren’t making those actions because it’s hard work, you’re stopping someone who will have that attitude from having a chance.
There is a balance to be struck, but in management, it only works if they’re somewhat afraid of you.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 18, 2021 9:58:58 GMT
Perhaps JB is just the person to pull the owners head out of the sand . He’s the one that’s been around the block , he’s the one that’s seen how things are and get done at the highest level. Rovers are currently a rich mans toy and people like Starnes are hanging on for the ride IMO widdrington was never as smug as when he presided over the Pompey win, been pretty quiet ever since tho and the penny will surely drop for Wael if a third manager cannot string two wins together from this squad the blame lies with Garner but Widdrington gave him the list....... Barton is the only person at the club who has a clue about what it takes to be a winner. This season has been entirely predictable based upon what happened almost the moment that the utterly incompetent Garner was appointed. In fact Garner was so incompetent you have to give him credit because to take a team that was 4th top to 4th bottom so quickly means you have to make a lot of consistent and insightful decisions to so comprehensively wreck something. If someone had set out to do it on purpose they couldn’t have done any better. Anyway, enough about that fraud. If we stick with Barton we will water League 2 next season. Joey Barton is the only one at the club that knows about winning anything by default. Barton's honour role is hardly spectacular
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Post by horfield on Mar 18, 2021 10:14:30 GMT
Thought Barton in the interview came across as contrite and and browbeaten, but there again over the next 81 days he has 2 relegation battles to win, Rovers and his own in Sheffield Crown Court which in his case that relegation could be life defining.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 18, 2021 10:15:34 GMT
Every game under Barton has been far better than most of those before him. We were playing Charlton off the park before they scored anhd should have been 4-0 up. Most things we have done in games under Barton has been good if you take out the individual errors. Every defender defends well for 95% o0fn the match.The big problem is the 5% and with Kilgour that happens every game. Remove him and give Ehmer another chance. When you score two away you should get a positive result. Plymouth saturday is a game it is vital we don't lose.
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Post by henry on Mar 18, 2021 11:10:41 GMT
Every game under Barton has been far better than most of those before him. We were playing Charlton off the park before they scored anhd should have been 4-0 up. Most things we have done in games under Barton has been good if you take out the individual errors. Every defender defends well for 95% o0fn the match.The big problem is the 5% and with Kilgour that happens every game. Remove him and give Ehmer another chance. When you score two away you should get a positive result. Plymouth saturday is a game it is vital we don't lose. I’ve said similar but people can’t see past the defeat and the good what’s gone on the pitch before the final whistle and it appears Barton is now following the same pattern with his excuses just in case of the dreaded.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 18, 2021 11:20:36 GMT
Every game under Barton has been far better than most of those before him. We were playing Charlton off the park before they scored anhd should have been 4-0 up. Most things we have done in games under Barton has been good if you take out the individual errors. Every defender defends well for 95% o0fn the match.The big problem is the 5% and with Kilgour that happens every game. Remove him and give Ehmer another chance. When you score two away you should get a positive result. Plymouth saturday is a game it is vital we don't lose. I’ve said similar but people can’t see past the defeat and the good what’s gone on the pitch before the final whistle and it appears Barton is now following the same pattern with his excuses just in case of the dreaded. Regarding performances as a team, totally agree and that is the eye test and the stats. We are better under Joey Barton for sure. Mistakes are being punished more that's for certain - so, as you put, we stamp out the mistakes or score more and more goals in the hope that we do a "vindaloo" Here is a link to some data I did comparing each of our 3 managers and Tommy this season. JB has almost halved chances against us, since coming in. gaschat.co.uk/post/723589UTG
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 18, 2021 11:23:38 GMT
Every game under Barton has been far better than most of those before him. We were playing Charlton off the park before they scored anhd should have been 4-0 up. Most things we have done in games under Barton has been good if you take out the individual errors. Every defender defends well for 95% o0fn the match.The big problem is the 5% and with Kilgour that happens every game. Remove him and give Ehmer another chance. When you score two away you should get a positive result. Plymouth saturday is a game it is vital we don't lose. Throwing away a two goal lead and losing is still throwing away a two goal lead and losing. Had Garner's or Tisdale's team done this they would be rightly lambasted for not having what it takes.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 18, 2021 12:11:31 GMT
Barton is the only person at the club who has a clue about what it takes to be a winner. This season has been entirely predictable based upon what happened almost the moment that the utterly incompetent Garner was appointed. In fact Garner was so incompetent you have to give him credit because to take a team that was 4th top to 4th bottom so quickly means you have to make a lot of consistent and insightful decisions to so comprehensively wreck something. If someone had set out to do it on purpose they couldn’t have done any better. Anyway, enough about that fraud. If we stick with Barton we will water League 2 next season. Joey Barton is the only one at the club that knows about winning anything by default. Barton's honour role is hardly spectacular I actually said, he’s the only person at the club who has a CLUE about WHAT IT TAKES to be a winner.
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Post by henry on Mar 18, 2021 12:23:27 GMT
I’ve said similar but people can’t see past the defeat and the good what’s gone on the pitch before the final whistle and it appears Barton is now following the same pattern with his excuses just in case of the dreaded. Regarding performances as a team, totally agree and that is the eye test and the stats. We are better under Joey Barton for sure. Mistakes are being punished more that's for certain - so, as you put, we stamp out the mistakes or score more and more goals in the hope that we do a "vindaloo" Here is a link to some data I did comparing each of our 3 managers and Tommy this season. JB has almost halved chances against us, since coming in. gaschat.co.uk/post/723589UTG Interesting reading but let’s also remember that the players are playing for Barton as a team now which wasn’t always the case under Tisdale. I also don’t understand his damning of the team with the vague excuses which are the result of individual errors and not 90 minutes of painful on the eye football.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 18, 2021 12:27:09 GMT
Regarding performances as a team, totally agree and that is the eye test and the stats. We are better under Joey Barton for sure. Mistakes are being punished more that's for certain - so, as you put, we stamp out the mistakes or score more and more goals in the hope that we do a "vindaloo" Here is a link to some data I did comparing each of our 3 managers and Tommy this season. JB has almost halved chances against us, since coming in. gaschat.co.uk/post/723589UTG Interesting reading but let’s also remember that the players are playing for Barton as a team now which wasn’t always the case under Tisdale. I also don’t understand his damning of the team with the vague excuses which are the result of individual errors and not 90 minutes of painful on the eye football. I guess you could also look at my analysis and say - due to the lower amount of chances we give the opposition now, the conversion rate is higher when conceding. Agreed that we are playing as a team for sure, which maybe didn't quite feel the same under Tisdales more direct approach tactically.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 12:45:29 GMT
I really hope we can hang on to JB and HIS backroom guys no matter where we are next season.
I sense his open and honest comments on what he is finding wrong at the club will not sit well with Starnes and Widdrington - hoping Wael has the backbone to stick with him.
It is interesting that the last three managers have all stated how proud they were to be installed at a club of the stature of Bristol Rovers only for a few weeks later to openly state that there are a lot of issues behind the scenes that are way below standards expected. We do need for Wael to take this feedback on board and act if we are to move forward as a club.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 18, 2021 12:52:22 GMT
I really hope we can hang on to JB and HIS backroom guys no matter where we are next season. I sense his open and honest comments on what he is finding wrong at the club will not sit well with Starnes and Widdrington - hoping Wael has the backbone to stick with him. It is interesting that the last three managers have all stated how proud they were to be installed at a club of the stature of Bristol Rovers only for a few weeks later to openly state that there are a lot of issues behind the scenes that are way below standards expected. We do need for Wael to take this feedback on board and act if we are to move forward as a club. Hope he doesnt get convicted then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 12:56:47 GMT
I really hope we can hang on to JB and HIS backroom guys no matter where we are next season. I sense his open and honest comments on what he is finding wrong at the club will not sit well with Starnes and Widdrington - hoping Wael has the backbone to stick with him. It is interesting that the last three managers have all stated how proud they were to be installed at a club of the stature of Bristol Rovers only for a few weeks later to openly state that there are a lot of issues behind the scenes that are way below standards expected. We do need for Wael to take this feedback on board and act if we are to move forward as a club. Hope he doesnt get convicted then Lots of potential outcomes .... Fingers crossed he is fully able to do his stuff from the dugout next season. If not I wonder if Clint might step up to cover a period of absence. You have to hope that Wael is confident that JB will be able to keep his role and has taken counsel on it.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 18, 2021 12:57:13 GMT
Joey Barton is the only one at the club that knows about winning anything by default. Barton's honour role is hardly spectacular I actually said, he’s the only person at the club who has a CLUE about WHAT IT TAKES to be a winner. I dont know if, that is actually worse Means there is no one to challenge him
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Post by albaron on Mar 18, 2021 13:04:27 GMT
I really hope we can hang on to JB and HIS backroom guys no matter where we are next season. I sense his open and honest comments on what he is finding wrong at the club will not sit well with Starnes and Widdrington - hoping Wael has the backbone to stick with him. It is interesting that the last three managers have all stated how proud they were to be installed at a club of the stature of Bristol Rovers only for a few weeks later to openly state that there are a lot of issues behind the scenes that are way below standards expected. We do need for Wael to take this feedback on board and act if we are to move forward as a club. I can't remember Garner saying that. But certainly Tisdale did in his last interview ( rant ) and JB has realised very early on in his tenure that things at Rovers are run possibly in an amateurish way and things need to be changed/improved. This needs to be sorted and changed by the person at the top and that is Wael. Lets hope he listens to Joe and a more professional approach is made.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:10:33 GMT
I really hope we can hang on to JB and HIS backroom guys no matter where we are next season. I sense his open and honest comments on what he is finding wrong at the club will not sit well with Starnes and Widdrington - hoping Wael has the backbone to stick with him. It is interesting that the last three managers have all stated how proud they were to be installed at a club of the stature of Bristol Rovers only for a few weeks later to openly state that there are a lot of issues behind the scenes that are way below standards expected. We do need for Wael to take this feedback on board and act if we are to move forward as a club. I can't remember Garner saying that. But certainly Tisdale did in his last interview ( rant ) and JB has realised very early on in his tenure that things at Rovers are run possibly in an amateurish way and things need to be changed/improved. This needs to be sorted and changed by the person at the top and that is Wael. Lets hope he listens to Joe and a more professional approach is made. Tisdale actually mentioned it 14 days after arriving.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Mar 18, 2021 13:21:27 GMT
IMO:
What Barton can control - our defending (for the majority of matches), our chance creation & our intensity - has vastly improved under him.
The problem is that the things he can’t control - players picking up injuries/suspensions and individual defensive errors - are the things hurting us.
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