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Post by casey12a on Mar 18, 2021 21:53:08 GMT
Tisdale actually mentioned it 14 days after arriving. That's four out of the last five managers then. DC spoke out about his disappointment with off-field progress. GC wondered aloud about how far he could take this club. BG was just grateful to have a job. Tis said he wasn't a magician. JB says there is an attitude or culture problem. Either they are all right to be worried and BG was wrong not to complain, or.... Nah. I think they all see or saw stuff behind the scenes which worried them. Surely the manager of the club has the biggest influence on the culture of the club. Is it a standard mangers line to try and cover their ass if things go wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 22:12:56 GMT
That's four out of the last five managers then. DC spoke out about his disappointment with off-field progress. GC wondered aloud about how far he could take this club. BG was just grateful to have a job. Tis said he wasn't a magician. JB says there is an attitude or culture problem. Either they are all right to be worried and BG was wrong not to complain, or.... Nah. I think they all see or saw stuff behind the scenes which worried them. Surely the manager of the club has the biggest influence on the culture of the club. Is it a standard mangers line to try and cover their ass if things go wrong? They can have the biggest influence if they are allowed to and are given time to cultivate that culture.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 22:27:10 GMT
That's four out of the last five managers then. DC spoke out about his disappointment with off-field progress. GC wondered aloud about how far he could take this club. BG was just grateful to have a job. Tis said he wasn't a magician. JB says there is an attitude or culture problem. Either they are all right to be worried and BG was wrong not to complain, or.... Nah. I think they all see or saw stuff behind the scenes which worried them. Surely the manager of the club has the biggest influence on the culture of the club. Is it a standard mangers line to try and cover their ass if things go wrong? GC also gave some players a certain amount of leeway with regard to attitude. BG was addressing the attitude problems without feeling the need to go public about it - obviously difficult to sort quickly, given the stop/start pattern of his tenure, due to the family illness and then lockdowns.
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Post by gas78 on Mar 18, 2021 22:32:09 GMT
Surely the manager of the club has the biggest influence on the culture of the club. Is it a standard mangers line to try and cover their ass if things go wrong? GC also gave some players a certain amount of leeway with regard to attitude. BG was addressing the attitude problems without feeling the need to go public about it - obviously difficult to sort quickly, given the stop/start pattern of his tenure, due to the family illness and then lockdowns. I'm not sure about that. BG was able to bring in nearly an entire squad and now we have bigger issues that we've had in years. To add to that he also had an entire summer and pre-season with the squad. He made a bad situation even worse.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 18, 2021 23:54:19 GMT
I remember the Dave Penney situation where he fell out with some players
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 19, 2021 1:49:17 GMT
I remember the Dave Penney situation where he fell out with some players I met him when he was manager of Darlington. Players worked incredibly hard for him. He later joined Rovers. GD told me some Rovers players had wanted Rovers captain Stu Campbell in charge so Dave Penny was in a difficult position from the start. Players soon got their way.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 19, 2021 7:48:29 GMT
He left after lockdown when the club weren’t training I think, but agreed he always looked like he was carrying a bit too much timber whilst with us. He reported back for training, having put on quite a bit of weight, hence he was not seen in the video clips of the players training which were on the club website. The club staff couldn't be expected to get him back in peak condition in a matter of weeks. Even if he`d reported back heavier than a Toyota Land Cruiser, he still would have been the best player on our books. By a country mile. Sums us up.
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Post by TAGas on Mar 19, 2021 8:50:08 GMT
So you'd drop Kilgour after he made the one mistake for Ehmer, who it seems can't even be bothered to get warmed up/kitted out to come on as a sub, what message is that sending to the rest of the squad? Ehmer's possibly one of the biggest frauds we've signed in years, given that he's captain he's probably one of our highest earners yet he's not fit to even clean Craig's boots. Not just one mistake though is it, Kilgour has been a liability most of the season. The fact he is probably our 2nd best CB of the 4 behind Baldwin probably sums up why we are where we are. I also think it wasn't just a mistake it was a case of not following/listening to instructions. JB said after Leahy made that mistake against Hull "it has to go into the stands" He had 3 options imo, headed it out, block Aneka's path (take one for the team), let the ball bounce and head the ball back to the keeper with Washington already on his way to intercept it and he chose the worse option out of 3 and cost us a valuable point To drop Kilgour i'm not sure. If he makes a mistake again tomorrow I think JB would have no choice but to.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 19, 2021 9:42:47 GMT
I think the difference between JB and the previous recent managers is that he’s played at the highest level both here and abroad. He, at least, has seen what level of professionalism is required to achieve success. He has already implemented processes that are new to the players and they generally seem to accept he knows what he’s talking about and are going with him.
He has also witnessed things that have created a problem with the culture at the club which stems from the performance of those at the top of the club.
Another difference with this appointment is that he was solely Wael’s appointment not one arrived at by the other board members. So I believe there will be a close link between the two of them which could see a clear out at the highest level at the club. For this reason I think Wael will be backing JB in many ways in the future.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 19, 2021 9:50:44 GMT
Hope your right, Darkbluegas , time will tell ! Utg 💙
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 19, 2021 10:51:47 GMT
I think the difference between JB and the previous recent managers is that he’s played at the highest level both here and abroad. He, at least, has seen what level of professionalism is required to achieve success. He has already implemented processes that are new to the players and they generally seem to accept he knows what he’s talking about and are going with him. He has also witnessed things that have created a problem with the culture at the club which stems from the performance of those at the top of the club. Another difference with this appointment is that he was solely Wael’s appointment not one arrived at by the other board members. So I believe there will be a close link between the two of them which could see a clear out at the highest level at the club. For this reason I think Wael will be backing JB in many ways in the future. Where is it stated that this was solely Waels appointment mate? I don't doubt it, but would love to read up on that part. I found it very strange that there was little from the board about Joeys appointment unlike the previous manager and only found the MS interview on the Rovers Website by chance looking for highlights. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/interview-martyn-starnes/
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 19, 2021 11:14:54 GMT
I think the difference between JB and the previous recent managers is that he’s played at the highest level both here and abroad. He, at least, has seen what level of professionalism is required to achieve success. He has already implemented processes that are new to the players and they generally seem to accept he knows what he’s talking about and are going with him. He has also witnessed things that have created a problem with the culture at the club which stems from the performance of those at the top of the club. Another difference with this appointment is that he was solely Wael’s appointment not one arrived at by the other board members. So I believe there will be a close link between the two of them which could see a clear out at the highest level at the club. For this reason I think Wael will be backing JB in many ways in the future. Where is it stated that this was solely Waels appointment mate? I don't doubt it, but would love to read up on that part. I found it very strange that there was little from the board about Joeys appointment unlike the previous manager and only found the MS interview on the Rovers Website by chance looking for highlights. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/interview-martyn-starnes/Yes, Very odd that no other board members did interviews or photo shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 12:15:10 GMT
Where is it stated that this was solely Waels appointment mate? I don't doubt it, but would love to read up on that part. I found it very strange that there was little from the board about Joeys appointment unlike the previous manager and only found the MS interview on the Rovers Website by chance looking for highlights. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/interview-martyn-starnes/Yes, Very odd that no other board members did interviews or photo shoot. Come on guys. Reading too much into things again are we? Third wave incoming so hunker down for more supposition and rumours coming your way.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 19, 2021 13:31:47 GMT
Surely the manager of the club has the biggest influence on the culture of the club. Is it a standard mangers line to try and cover their ass if things go wrong? GC also gave some players a certain amount of leeway with regard to attitude. BG was addressing the attitude problems without feeling the need to go public about it - obviously difficult to sort quickly, given the stop/start pattern of his tenure, due to the family illness and then lockdowns. That post has come across that you think Coughlan was lax and Garner was sorting out all the problems that Coughlan left behind and might have done so but for the stop start nature of his tenure! I really am struggling with that logic. Facts are facts. Coughlan was highly successful with the results he achieved from a squad of limited talent whilst Garner was highly unsuccessful with a squad that he thought had more talent. The fact that Garner’s tenure was stop start probably meant he was given the benefit of the doubt much longer than he deserved!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 19, 2021 13:52:56 GMT
Interesting for OZ and Dave! Love you Dave.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 19, 2021 13:55:11 GMT
Not just one mistake though is it, Kilgour has been a liability most of the season. The fact he is probably our 2nd best CB of the 4 behind Baldwin probably sums up why we are where we are. I don't disagree but dropping him for our distant 4th best isn't going to improve matters! Maybe not but can you keep playing someone who constantly makes mistakes? Saying that, they are all performing so poorly that you will get a new CB pairing (or back 3) every week if you punished individual errors. FWIW id probably go with experience for the run-in
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:16:04 GMT
Interesting for OZ and Dave! Love you Dave. Ironic that he was an hour late for the press conference but points well made.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:45:07 GMT
GC also gave some players a certain amount of leeway with regard to attitude. BG was addressing the attitude problems without feeling the need to go public about it - obviously difficult to sort quickly, given the stop/start pattern of his tenure, due to the family illness and then lockdowns. That post has come across that you think Coughlan was lax and Garner was sorting out all the problems that Coughlan left behind and might have done so but for the stop start nature of his tenure! I really am struggling with that logic. Facts are facts. Coughlan was highly successful with the results he achieved from a squad of limited talent whilst Garner was highly unsuccessful with a squad that he thought had more talent. The fact that Garner’s tenure was stop start probably meant he was given the benefit of the doubt much longer than he deserved! My post was in response to aghast's post, which isn't included in your quote. I certainly wouldn't describe Coughlan as lax, he took over the reins and ground out results, but I don't think he fitted Wael's long term vision.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 19, 2021 15:53:52 GMT
Talking about the Bristol Post I c Sam Frost won’t be at the Plymouth and Swindon games he has been contacted by Track and Trace he has tested negative so welcome 2 I follow
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 19, 2021 15:58:01 GMT
Ozzy featured in the DS again today and might be needed if Sammy is injured. I dont think he will play again for us, he's not very robust, and he is on loan. maybe wrong but cannot see he is in JB's thinking
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