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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 20, 2021 18:21:11 GMT
Some bizarre scores from the EP Jonah Ayunga - 4 Looked bright early and had some good touches, but had very few opportunities bar the volley he constructed for himself in the opening minutes. Brandon Hanlan - 5 Like Ayunga, his hold-up play was decent, but there was very little in the way of end product in the final third. Worked hard Football scoring is ridiculous. What does a forward player have to do to score less than a 5?
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Post by GasAttacK on Mar 20, 2021 18:23:18 GMT
I think a lot of fans opinions are understandably influenced by the result.
We beat Plymouth 3-0 in December and most fans were very positive after the game but the stats were all against us:
Possession: 38% / 62% Shots: 17 / 24 On Target: 6 / 7 Corners: 8 / 9
Today we lose 2-0 but with the exception of 'On Target' the stats were in our favour:
Possession: 55% / 45% Shots: 22 / 15 On Target: 3 / 5 Corners: 9 / 6
Were we lucky in the home fixture or unlucky today? Maybe a bit of both.
Don't get me wrong, we are in serious trouble and there are clear weaknesses at both ends of the pitch that could well see us relegated but we aren't getting much luck at the moment.
Other than Ehmer I don't personally think there was a lack of effort. We might not have got any Ogogo, Sinclair or O.Clarke type players in the team but I wouldn't say the players have given up. I just think the team has too many of that type of player. If you stick Jaakkola in goal, Tom Davies in defence, Ogogo in midfield and a proven goal scorer up front, I think this team would be comfortably mid table.
Sending Davies out on loan when we're so weak at the back was a sackable offnce in itself in my opinion.
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Post by socrates on Mar 20, 2021 18:29:05 GMT
I think a lot of fans opinions are understandably influenced by the result. We beat Plymouth 3-0 in December and most fans were very positive after the game but the stats were all against us: Possession: 38% / 62% Shots: 17 / 24 On Target: 6 / 7 Corners: 8 / 9 Today we lose 2-0 but with the exception of 'On Target' the stats were in our favour: Possession: 55% / 45% Shots: 22 / 15 On Target: 3 / 5 Corners: 9 / 6 Were we lucky in the home fixture or unlucky today? Maybe a bit of both. Don't get me wrong, we are in serious trouble and there are clear weaknesses at both ends of the pitch that could well see us relegated but we aren't getting much luck at the moment. Other than Ehmer I don't personally think there was a lack of effort. We might not have got any Ogogo, Sinclair or O.Clarke type players in the team but I wouldn't say the players have given up. I just think the team has too many of that type of player. If you stick Jaakkola in goal, Tom Davies in defence, Ogogo in midfield and a proven goal scorer up front, I think this team would be comfortably mid table. Sending Davies out on loan when we're so weak at the back was a sackable offnce in itself in my opinion. That’s the problem I think , yes you’re right the players haven’t given up but we also don’t have any Sinclair, Clarke , Ogogo type players. What the likes of Westbrooke and Upson give in a relegation battle isn’t the same even if they are trying their best. We’ve lacked toughness and leadership all season. There are too many poor signings in the last 14 months to mention them all but the worst in my book has to be Ehmer simply because he was brought in to replace Craig and also to be our captain and has been dreadful in terms of ability and leadership on the field of play.
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 20, 2021 18:32:26 GMT
Barton sounding for the first time really a little bit despondent regarding the players at his disposal
Liking the way he declares he won’t stop til he gets this job right. It may take a drop down but I trust him to clear out the dross and he knows what is required mentally to create a strong team
He must be tearing them a good one behind closed doors?
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Post by gregsy on Mar 20, 2021 18:32:39 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely....
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Post by henry on Mar 20, 2021 18:34:04 GMT
When Joey Barton has more lower league promotions on his CV than Paul Tisdale has then you can say he is a better manager until he has won something or got promotions he definitely is not a better manager, That much is obvious. Getting onto the squad and Barton, when Rovers were winning and playing half tidy football there was talk of how he is the man to get the best out of the squad etc and turn our fortunes around then a couple of games which we lose through individual errors and a loss like today and suddenly he is in a no win situation because the squad is so bad. If we go on a five game unbeaten run what will be the reason? Luck, great management or a half decent squad after all? My monies on a miracle but people change their minds like the weather on here. Fair point about PT....I didn't word my views correctly,but what I meant was we have a far better chance of progress with the JB of today the the PT of today. PT has had an ok/decent career as a manager, while JB has had a decent start to his career as a coach. That is a valid point. I’m in the hope Barton can string a few results together and save us from the drop by the skin of our teeth but as Tisdale found out, this lot have a habit of going through the motions when it suits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 18:37:28 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... And rightly so Paul. Can't see us surviving but certainly notice given by JB that there is going to be a massive clear out of deadwood. He has inherited a crap squad and appears to have now accepted that fact. An honest interview under the circumstances.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 20, 2021 18:39:50 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... Thought exactly the same, there might well be one or two that dont appear for a while if at all
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Post by gaschat on Mar 20, 2021 18:40:06 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... He is the coach, he is supposed to make things happen and help players improve...just another load of cliches and manager speak, presumably to try and disguise the glaringly obvious.
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Post by TugPhase on Mar 20, 2021 18:41:54 GMT
FWIW, and I know it probably isn't much comfort, but the bookies fancy our chances. We're still the longest to go down, out of the six. They really don't fancy Rochdale's chances of survival?! Rochdale 1/7 Swindon 2/5 Northampton 4/9 Wigan 4/9 Wombles 1/2 Gas 4/6 m.skybet.com/football/sky-bet-league-one/event/26235757
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Post by dragonfly on Mar 20, 2021 18:43:51 GMT
Barton questioned some players lack of desire and aggression and this would seem to be his conservative view of the situation. I get the feeling that Barton knows this lot are not up for it and has to accept that relegation is almost a certainty. We attract "sick notes" to the Club and this policy just has to stop. Little, Barrett, Daly, Nicholson, Rodman, Davies, Jaakola all spend too much time with medium to long term injuries and the cost to Wael is significant. Rodman not withstanding his recent illness has played nowhere near enough games for us since he signed. Was Nicholson carrying an injury before he was signed? Daly was injury prone before and since his arrival. The signings of Little and Barrett just highlights how amateurish our recruitment process has been for too long at Bristol Sloppy Rovers AFC.
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Post by 4d on Mar 20, 2021 18:54:39 GMT
Well it’s his 1.1 points per game currently keeping us out of the relegation zone. I still don’t get it - if he was little more than a PE teacher, how did he get more out of this squad than Tisdale or Barton has managed? And during a much harder run of games? Because it's his sh** players. Well he didn’t sign van stopershoef, Day, Leahy, Kilgour or Williams who have given more goals away than anyone this season.
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 20, 2021 18:55:50 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... It won’t happen, he’s full of soundbites.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 20, 2021 18:57:36 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... I think he’s doing and saying all the right things. He’s right about the lack of aggression and passion in the first half. In our situation that is criminal. If we were better in the second half, I didn’t think we were that much better and the game was pretty much gone anyway. I didn’t sense they believed they could get back into it. I know there are a lot of tired bodies but they have to lift themselves somehow. If we can somehow win on Tuesday the table will look far more positive and it could be a massive momentum shift.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 20, 2021 19:02:40 GMT
Just don’t c it happening with this squad I resigning myself to league 2
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 20, 2021 19:07:01 GMT
Because it's his sh** players. Well he didn’t sign van stopershoef, Day, Leahy, Kilgour or Williams who have given more goals away than anyone this season. I'm not going to get drawn into the others, but without Leahy we'd already be relegated this season. And I'm not just talking his goals I'm talking his assists too.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 20, 2021 19:07:33 GMT
Fair point about PT....I didn't word my views correctly,but what I meant was we have a far better chance of progress with the JB of today the the PT of today. PT has had an ok/decent career as a manager, while JB has had a decent start to his career as a coach. That is a valid point. I’m in the hope Barton can string a few results together and save us from the drop by the skin of our teeth but as Tisdale found out, this lot have a habit of going through the motions when it suits. I think we have a few top league one players in our squad 3/4 which we could build around, but the rest are either are too young yet have potential, or are just not good enough....Most are sadly the latter. There is talent in there, and that's why we get some decent results every now and then, but we are so unbalanced and not good enough in all the key areas and that will be the reason we go down, if we do.. Nothing to do with JB, but rather TW,BG and too a fair lesser degree PT for not improving us in January.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2021 19:11:23 GMT
Because it's his sh** players. Well he didn’t sign van stopershoef, Day, Leahy, Kilgour or Williams who have given more goals away than anyone this season. Out of interest do you rate Ehmer above those you've named? With hindsight perhaps KB should have done a DC and rested a few players v Charlton or today, so they are fresh for Swindon, as that now looks a must win game.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 20, 2021 19:19:38 GMT
A very uncomfortable interview - the dressing room after the match would not be a place where you would want to be. I feel some players have played their last game for the club - contract or no contract. If JB is still with the club next season, apart from at least a few players that he will want out - he will want control of all recruitment in any way shape or form with no input from TW. We all have the benefit of hindsight but this has been an absolute shambles including the January window of ‘limited’ opportunity.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 20, 2021 19:19:55 GMT
From the sound of that some players look like they'll be dropped indefinitely.... Thought exactly the same, there might well be one or two that dont appear for a while if at all Sounds to me like he is say that he thinks that we are down as the players are not responding.. 5 teams in it really, only 1 will stay up. He is planting the seeds for the future.. Be it L1 or L2
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