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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 26, 2021 14:39:13 GMT
True dat. Right behind you Joe. Hopefully literally in a few months.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Mar 26, 2021 14:39:33 GMT
I mean if there was such a big problem with the coaching practices, surely Joey has had enough time to turn them around given he’s been in the job for a fair while now? Also with Tisdale’s years of experience and success of as a professional manager, find it hard to believe that his coaching was negligent, Garner I can believe. Would like to hear less of these damning sound bites and see more action from Barton now, he’s got his point across. A fair while? Four weeks? No time at all for coaching when there's games twice a week. Rest the lads, prep them for the next game and off you go again, no time for much else.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 26, 2021 14:43:53 GMT
Something Joey seems to be taking a pelter for is the videos.
He can’t flog the players as they’ll be knackered before the match. Especially with our schedule. I don’t see the problem with doing some technical analysis above and beyond the physical stuff.
I think it’s a nice touch personally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 14:48:55 GMT
True dat. Right behind you Joe. Hopefully literally in a few months. To be fair if he is judging anything to be criminal then he is a better judge than most of us so we should listen.
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Post by Bourne End Gas on Mar 26, 2021 14:56:41 GMT
I still believe that he is trying to talk himself out of a job . He has us believe that all the players are buying into what he is doing but maybe some of the player’s don’t want to play for him ? I have heard a few players just don’t give a toss and that shows in the pitch
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Post by RD on Mar 26, 2021 14:57:53 GMT
It's just an incredibly high-risk play is my worry.
I don't think any of us disagree with Barton in the main, but doing this over and over and over again so publicly is surely doing more harm than good?
For me it shows a woeful lack of experience. I'm struggling to think of another manager in the game(!) who's done as much public slating as JB has in the past couple of weeks. Surely that's got to tell you something?
It's fair enough to do it behind close doors, but surely we're making a rod for our own back? If these players aren't good enough, who's going to want them after slating them so publicly?
JB: "Interested in taking Ehmer of us?" Other club: "Yeh, maybe mate - any good?" JB: "Tbh mate he's f**king sh**. Known it for years" Other club: "Oh. Nah you're alright then mate. Cheers though"
I can see us being in the same position we're in with KB but multiplied by about 10 more players if we're not careful.
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Post by gregsy on Mar 26, 2021 14:58:48 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Mar 26, 2021 15:02:46 GMT
It's just an incredibly high-risk play is my worry. I don't think any of us disagree with Barton in the main, but doing this over and over and over again so publicly is surely doing more harm than good? For me it shows a woeful lack of experience. I'm struggling to think of another manager in the game(!) who's done as much public slating as JB has in the past couple of weeks. Surely that's got to tell you something? It's fair enough to do it behind close doors, but surely we're making a rod for our own back? If these players aren't good enough, who's going to want them after slating them so publicly? JB: "Interested in taking Ehmer of us?" Other club: "Yeh, maybe mate - any good?" JB: "Tbh mate he's f**king sh**. Known it for years" Other club: "Oh. Nah you're alright then mate. Cheers though" I can see us being in the same position we're in with KB but multiplied by about 10 more players if we're not careful. Ehmer is now out for the season with his injury or his 'injury' Just makes the attack on Ehmer last week seem more pointless and vindictive
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Post by pirate on Mar 26, 2021 15:03:33 GMT
“You can’t escape the facts,” he continued. “You’ve seen the managers that have gone before here and you would presume that they do everything right, and it’s only when you get in here and you see it. “I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They’re a farce... “All I’ve got to go off is all the recorded training sessions, because everyone videos training now. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday, what chance of the lads got?" Goes some way to explaining why we've got the worst late goals conceded stats in League One.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 15:03:36 GMT
"Joey Barton says his ambition is to get Bristol Rovers out of League One." To be fair to the new Gaffer, he's doing a better job than the last two when it comes to this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 15:05:48 GMT
“You can’t escape the facts,” he continued. “You’ve seen the managers that have gone before here and you would presume that they do everything right, and it’s only when you get in here and you see it. “I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They’re a farce... “All I’ve got to go off is all the recorded training sessions, because everyone videos training now. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday, what chance of the lads got?" Explains why we've got the worst late goals conceded stats in League One. Earlier we were being told by people who knew "Players" that Tisdale didn't take training sessions now he took too many.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 26, 2021 15:10:19 GMT
It's just an incredibly high-risk play is my worry. I don't think any of us disagree with Barton in the main, but doing this over and over and over again so publicly is surely doing more harm than good? For me it shows a woeful lack of experience. I'm struggling to think of another manager in the game(!) who's done as much public slating as JB has in the past couple of weeks. Surely that's got to tell you something? It's fair enough to do it behind close doors, but surely we're making a rod for our own back? If these players aren't good enough, who's going to want them after slating them so publicly? JB: "Interested in taking Ehmer of us?" Other club: "Yeh, maybe mate - any good?" JB: "Tbh mate he's f**king sh**. Known it for years" Other club: "Oh. Nah you're alright then mate. Cheers though" I can see us being in the same position we're in with KB but multiplied by about 10 more players if we're not careful. I might be missing something here but isn't his criticism of the preparation rather than the players themselves. He's called Ehmer out which personally by picking on the captain I think was a message to the rest of the squad that nobody is exempt from criticism. I took what he's said today as more of a defence of the players
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Post by peterparker on Mar 26, 2021 15:10:21 GMT
“You can’t escape the facts,” he continued. “You’ve seen the managers that have gone before here and you would presume that they do everything right, and it’s only when you get in here and you see it. “I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They’re a farce... “All I’ve got to go off is all the recorded training sessions, because everyone videos training now. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday, what chance of the lads got?" Explains why we've got the worst late goals conceded stats in League One. Earlier we were being told by people who knew "Players" that Tisdale didn't take training sessions now he took too many. I think Pirate is suggesting they aren't fit enough? Hard to know what JB means without any context. What did they do the rest of the week? just more words that don't actually say anything
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 15:10:48 GMT
“You can’t escape the facts,” he continued. “You’ve seen the managers that have gone before here and you would presume that they do everything right, and it’s only when you get in here and you see it. “I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They’re a farce... “All I’ve got to go off is all the recorded training sessions, because everyone videos training now. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday, what chance of the lads got?" Explains why we've got the worst late goals conceded stats in League One. Earlier we were being told by people who knew "Players" that Tisdale didn't take training sessions now he took too many. Who said it was him taking the session? 👀😂
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Post by peterparker on Mar 26, 2021 15:13:11 GMT
It's just an incredibly high-risk play is my worry. I don't think any of us disagree with Barton in the main, but doing this over and over and over again so publicly is surely doing more harm than good? For me it shows a woeful lack of experience. I'm struggling to think of another manager in the game(!) who's done as much public slating as JB has in the past couple of weeks. Surely that's got to tell you something? It's fair enough to do it behind close doors, but surely we're making a rod for our own back? If these players aren't good enough, who's going to want them after slating them so publicly? JB: "Interested in taking Ehmer of us?" Other club: "Yeh, maybe mate - any good?" JB: "Tbh mate he's f**king sh**. Known it for years" Other club: "Oh. Nah you're alright then mate. Cheers though" I can see us being in the same position we're in with KB but multiplied by about 10 more players if we're not careful. I might be missing something here but isn't his criticism of the preparation rather than the players themselves. He's called Ehmer out which personally by picking on the captain I think was a message to the rest of the squad that nobody is exempt from criticism. I took what he's said today as more of a defence of the players Again a message that could have been delivered in front of the squad and in private. It has been said Ehmer has been carrying an injury and he is out for the season legitimately or not. just make the public attack look vindictive and pointless
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Post by pirate on Mar 26, 2021 15:13:50 GMT
Earlier we were being told by people who knew "Players" that Tisdale didn't take training sessions now he took too many. I think Pirate is suggesting they aren't fit enough? Hard to know what JB means without any context. What did they do the rest of the week? just more words that don't actually say anything I'm suggesting they might have run out of steam in the last 15-20 minutes of games and conceded because of stupidly long training sessions the day before.
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Post by RD on Mar 26, 2021 15:15:05 GMT
Earlier we were being told by people who knew "Players" that Tisdale didn't take training sessions now he took too many. I think Pirate is suggesting they aren't fit enough? Hard to know what JB means without any context. What did they do the rest of the week? just more words that don't actually say anything Which is made even more hilarious when you consider he's spent the week with a psychologist and watching Franco Baresi on YouTube ffs. You couldn't make it up. "The previous managers didn't do any real training with them" "Done any this week Joey?" "Nah not this week mate - got better things to do!"
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Post by GasAttacK on Mar 26, 2021 15:16:48 GMT
It's just an incredibly high-risk play is my worry. I don't think any of us disagree with Barton in the main, but doing this over and over and over again so publicly is surely doing more harm than good? For me it shows a woeful lack of experience. I'm struggling to think of another manager in the game(!) who's done as much public slating as JB has in the past couple of weeks. Surely that's got to tell you something? It's fair enough to do it behind close doors, but surely we're making a rod for our own back? If these players aren't good enough, who's going to want them after slating them so publicly? JB: "Interested in taking Ehmer of us?" Other club: "Yeh, maybe mate - any good?" JB: "Tbh mate he's f**king sh**. Known it for years" Other club: "Oh. Nah you're alright then mate. Cheers though" I can see us being in the same position we're in with KB but multiplied by about 10 more players if we're not careful. To be fair, he's also said they're a great bunch of lads that have been managed poorly by negligent managers.
I'm sure he hopes he can help many become better players but fears that some need a lot of work because it's not just tactical problems that need addressing on the training ground but mentality issues too.
Other than Ehmer I don't think he's singled out individuals.
I took from that interview that he feels a lot of our young players have been let down by being thrown in the deep end without enough experienced players and leaders in the squad to help them.
In some ways he's taking pressure off the players by blaming recruitment for a young, unbalanaced squad and previous managers for what he sees as poor training methods.
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Post by axegas on Mar 26, 2021 15:17:00 GMT
“You can’t escape the facts,” he continued. “You’ve seen the managers that have gone before here and you would presume that they do everything right, and it’s only when you get in here and you see it. “I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They’re a farce... “All I’ve got to go off is all the recorded training sessions, because everyone videos training now. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday, what chance of the lads got?" Goes some way to explaining why we've got the worst late goals conceded stats in League One. Ok, but this seems like a pretty simple fix, don’t have intense sessions the day before a matchday. Yet we’re still conceding late goals, as referenced by the Wigan game and the Swindon game recently. Doesn’t sound particularly negligent either, just a difference of opinion on how coaching should be run before a matchday. Would be interested to watch the clips though.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 26, 2021 15:23:22 GMT
I might be missing something here but isn't his criticism of the preparation rather than the players themselves. He's called Ehmer out which personally by picking on the captain I think was a message to the rest of the squad that nobody is exempt from criticism. I took what he's said today as more of a defence of the players Again a message that could have been delivered in front of the squad and in private. It has been said Ehmer has been carrying an injury and he is out for the season legitimately or not. just make the public attack look vindictive and pointless That's a fair point What I was getting at is that we have posters hammering JB for criticizing the players in public when Ehmer apart he hasn't. It's perfectly valid that these things could/should have been done behind closed doors but that's a different argument
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