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Post by gaschat on Mar 29, 2021 23:23:46 GMT
You seem to have problem with the obvious, you’ll “guarantee” neither of them get a job again, the only one likely to have a problem getting a job again is the current leagues worst performing manager. Head in sand syndrome is such a sad condition.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 29, 2021 23:41:25 GMT
You seem to have problem with the obvious, you’ll “guarantee” neither of them get a job again, the only one likely to have a problem getting a job again is the current leagues worst performing manager. Head in sand syndrome is such a sad condition. Yes, if they go through with a legal battle because the current manager said they were sh**e at their job (which they were) then I'd be shocked if a club was to employ either of them as manager, especially when you consider their managerial records. I haven't said anything about Barton, only about Garner & Tisdale, so the problem I seem to have is not understanding what you're on about. You're claiming that I am in some way suggesting or arguing that Barton is doing fantastic. I am not. So I ask you for the 3rd time. What are you going on about?
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Post by gaschat on Mar 29, 2021 23:53:43 GMT
He said they were “negligent”...which is a very interesting word with a quite damning definition. Simply put for you...to carry out a role without exercising the degree of care or diligence a reasonable person could expect of a suitably qualified individual Rather damning and incredibly difficult to prove, which Barton would need to do if it ends up in court, which I doubt I will. All he needed to do was preface his comments, “in my opinion” which if either of you were half as clever as you think you are you would both know. Still got your head in the sand?
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Post by Westy on Mar 30, 2021 0:01:50 GMT
I hope they do it. It'll guarantee that neither of them will ever get a managers job again, and I wouldn't wish either of them (especially Garner) on any other club. Well, apart from City of course. As Garner has coached at a very high level for several years and Tisdale has managed around 1,000 games, both are considerably more experienced (not necessarily better) at coaching than Barton. To say they are ‘negligent’ leaves him potentially open to a charge of slander, unless he is very sure of his ground. It’s one thing to say someone underperformed, to say they were negligent is a whole different level. Slander doesn't necessarily ring true in our legal system. You can bring a civil case against Defamation, but really what's the point in a civil case thats judgement would result in either "Barton's words were correct" or "Barton's was wrong to say that". Obviously PT is twiddling his thumbs wondering what to spend his salary pay-out on. A day trip to a meaningless court for a pointless court case. Nice.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 30, 2021 0:13:31 GMT
You seem to have problem with the obvious, you’ll “guarantee” neither of them get a job again, the only one likely to have a problem getting a job again is the current leagues worst performing manager. Head in sand syndrome is such a sad condition. You sound like Barton’s biggest fan😅
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Post by Gassy on Mar 30, 2021 0:28:32 GMT
He said they were “negligent”...which is a very interesting word with a quite damning definition. Simply put for you...to carry out a role without exercising the degree of care or diligence a reasonable person could expect of a suitably qualified individual Rather damning and incredibly difficult to prove, which Barton would need to do if it ends up in court, which I doubt I will. All he needed to do was preface his comments, “in my opinion” which if either of you were half as clever as you think you are you would both know. Still got your head in the sand? Do you actually understand the phrase ‘head in the sand’? It’s odd as before you were saying, “You need to get your head out of the sand, this isn’t getting any better.”. Then you went on a rant about Barton’s 5 week tenure again claiming my head was in the sand. Now you’re trying to say my head is in the sand, because if it ever goes to court - Barton will need to prove negligence. Even though you don’t think it will get that far. Sounds like you’re trying to dig yourself out of a nice hole. I’m not going to ask you again what you’re on about, because frankly I’m not sure you even know what point you’re trying to argue at this point. However, as it seems we’re both of the opinion it will never go to court, this was an exciting conversation.. and on that note I’m off to bed. Enjoy the rest of your evening. PS, I’ll happily bet you a pint on the Thatchers when we’re allowed back that nothing comes of this 🍻
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Post by pirate on Mar 30, 2021 3:22:02 GMT
Negligent is spot on. It won't go any further because its obviously true.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 30, 2021 5:50:57 GMT
What are you going on about? Seven points from thirty, accusing others of negligence, “they’d be struck off if they were doctors”, pending case for abh, possible defamation case, players are useless, referees are useless, cancer running through club...he’s only been here 5 weeks ffs and there’s something new and totally ridiculous every day. His job is to win football matches, not to give press conferences trying to defend his record which is the worst in the top seven leagues of the English game. I repeat, you need to get your head out of the sand. What do we do when we've got our heads out of the sand? Starting ranting on Gaschat like you, what's they actually going to achieve?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:10:15 GMT
They will have to sue half of gas chat. Carlts you are being called to the stand.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 30, 2021 6:16:59 GMT
Will be the only time garners name will be on the back page of a national
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Post by amgas on Mar 30, 2021 6:23:42 GMT
Suspect Barton could get 10000 Gasheads to go to court and agree with his point of view.
I have some sympathy for Tisdale as he was not given time, but Garner I am afraid had plenty of time to select the players and work with them in pre-season. He and Widdrington are the main culprits for our impending relegation.
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Post by yetigas on Mar 30, 2021 6:24:24 GMT
It will get Barton the publicity he craves.
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Post by landrover on Mar 30, 2021 6:44:13 GMT
It will get Barton the publicity he craves. You’re probably half right there. In my opinion what he wants is for the mess that he’s been landed with to be recognised by the football world. The job spec is not what it said on the tin. His frustrations are clear to see. His interviews are all over the place and he’s hitting out at everybody that comes to mind. I would say it’s 50/50 on whether he’s sacked or he walks.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 30, 2021 6:58:41 GMT
Embarrassing. Considering both Garner and PT were dignified when they left and haven’t said a bad word about the club or the fans the fact it is in the Daily Mail of all papers is very sad.
It also dawned on me that for Barton to have made those comments with any substance he would have had to watch 160 hours of pre-season training videos (2 2hr sessions a day x 8 weeks), then all the games, then review the records of our physios, conditioning and fitness coaches, then review the fitness levels of our players (all monitored now).
Following that he would have had to watch 120 / 140hr of in season training games and review the same information with the back room staff etc to be able to form a valid opinion.
Does anyone genuinely believe 280 / 300 hrs of badly filmed training footage (we did pre season at the school) has been reviewed and analysed by JB?
What a load of nonsense.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 30, 2021 7:03:36 GMT
If it ever get to court the judge should read out loud garners leaving statement first on how he developed our u23 squad instrumental in the quarters and a left a legacy for the future. Everyone can go home after that laughing their heads off.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 30, 2021 7:08:02 GMT
If it ever get to court the judge should read out loud garners leaving statement first on how he developed our u23 squad instrumental in the quarters and a left a legacy for the future. Everyone can go home after that laughing their heads off. Yep, then we can hear about how our new manager only won 2 games out of ten after only winning one out of seven at his previous club due to the refereeing conspiracy, Everest being harder to climb than it looks and the fact Tisdale cut the oranges in quarters not halves after training.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 7:19:57 GMT
Jesus Wept
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Post by pirate on Mar 30, 2021 7:34:00 GMT
If it ever get to court the judge should read out loud garners leaving statement first on how he developed our u23 squad instrumental in the quarters and a left a legacy for the future. Everyone can go home after that laughing their heads off. Yep, then we can hear about how our new manager only won 2 games out of ten after only winning one out of seven at his previous club due to the refereeing conspiracy, Everest being harder to climb than it looks and the fact Tisdale cut the oranges in quarters not halves after training. Yep, then they'll probably also hear how our new manager took over a Fleetwood side that had finished 14th the previous season and rebuilt it to finish 11th and then in the playoffs the following season, finally leaving the club 10th and just 3 points off the playoffs.. After that they can then hear how Ben Garner took over a team 4th in the table to then limply finish 14th under his guidance. Then the following season, having built his own side, was sacked with the team 18th in the table, with a pathetic 6 wins from 33 games in total during his time in charge. Quite a contrast.
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Post by Langford Gas on Mar 30, 2021 7:34:29 GMT
This country is becoming litigious akin to the USA. How on earth can we have a legal system that supports "they said I was a bad manager and now I'm upset so I want some money please" All they’ve sought is legal advice so far. Could just be that the lawyers have come back and said no you have no case, and somehow its leaked to the press who have published it because the headline “Barton sued by ex managers” sells papers. Or it could just be a quiet news day
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 7:34:49 GMT
Laughable! BG clearly destroyed what he inherited at our club. Did he not take charge the season before this when we were fourth in the table and would have relegated us if it was not for the points his predecessor GC had accumulated? He then dismantled the team and brought no improvement whatsoever hence his sacking a year after his arrival and was replaced by PT who famously said he was not a magician, I assume because he could not get a tune out of the players he in herited. The club owner and board at that stage realised another change was needed and brought in JB. He to has failed to bring a change to our fortunes and has clearly spoken about his reasons why. It would appear to me and most gasheads he has clearly spoken about how he sees the situation and other threads on here seem to agree with him. I wonder why Messer's BG and PT are not considering legal action against those of us on here who have echoed JB's sentiments in those threads. I would suggest they both sit back , enjoy their payoffs and accept the facts of what is happening to our club is mainly down to BG and a lesser extent PT. How very sad that these two individuals in the industry they chose to pursue their careers in, clearly knowing how it works are even contemplating such a petty action.
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