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Post by ineedgas on Apr 23, 2021 16:00:27 GMT
Holloway again 🥱
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Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2021 16:01:18 GMT
The most important point is whether after the recruitment mess will JB want to work with Widdrington, Wael has a decision to make because no matter what any one says recruiting under the Garner/Widdrington combination was very poor, there were a few good signings but not enough, would JB want to risk having Widdrington helping him with recruitment this summer, possibly not. I don't know whether fans on here have read Ollie's autobiography but it does give a good incite in to how clubs are run.
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Post by gasheadontour on Apr 23, 2021 16:55:20 GMT
I am saying a senior first team pro spoke to Coughlan and was told by Cogs that he didnt want to leave. Imagine Rovers contacting the 4th placed club in the Championship looking to appoint their manager. It would be ridiculous unless having a good idea that the manager would be interested.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 17:45:26 GMT
You are wrong mate Harries and Barrett were signed after GC left and the other two were loan signings. GC wanting to be closer two his family was only part of reason why he left. A player I would like to have seen signed this January is Kyle Lafferty a free agent, player with loads of international experience works hard creative and scores goals but he landed up going to Scottish Prem In February where he scored 6goals in 6games , so it is crap for the board to turn round and say there were no good free agents around . That's precisely my point.  You said GC left because he was told there was going to be a change in recruitment policy and he wasnt allowed creative players.  Garner, GC's replacement, signed 7 players in the Jan window, 2 weeks or so after GC had left.  I have it absolutely first hand, from one of the players who is a customer of mine, that GC actually wanted to stay on and asked for a stay of execution, but the board decided his position was untenable after his outburst, and rightly so.  I think its a whole lot easier for you to to accept that GC is a disloyal backstabber rather than some kind of suffragette. Out of interest who were the 7 players?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 17:47:08 GMT
That's precisely my point. You said GC left because he was told there was going to be a change in recruitment policy and he wasnt allowed creative players. Garner, GC's replacement, signed 7 players in the Jan window, 2 weeks or so after GC had left. I have it absolutely first hand, from one of the players who is a customer of mine, that GC actually wanted to stay on and asked for a stay of execution, but the board decided his position was untenable after his outburst, and rightly so. I think its a whole lot easier for you to to accept that GC is a disloyal backstabber rather than some kind of suffragette. Out of interest who were the 7 players? You should clearly know Ben
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 17:50:29 GMT
Out of interest who were the 7 players? You should clearly know Ben Hi boring Topper. Who were the 7 players?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 17:52:51 GMT
The most important point is whether after the recruitment mess will JB want to work with Widdrington, Wael has a decision to make because no matter what any one says recruiting under the Garner/Widdrington combination was very poor, there were a few good signings but not enough, would JB want to risk having Widdrington helping him with recruitment this summer, possibly not. I don't know whether fans on here have read Ollie's autobiography but it does give a good incite in to how clubs are run. It seems pretty clear JB won't work with TW and you have to assume want's to bring in Eddy Jennings as I can't imagine he's helping out for free as he's nothing better to do. Perhaps one solution is TW just deals with agreeing the contract details and scouting for players, although DoF sounds a far bigger r so he could well claim constructive dismissal if his role is changed.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 17:54:23 GMT
You should clearly know Ben Hi boring Topper. Who were the 7 players? Topper???
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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 23, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
Hes been waiting to stick the knife in again since the Pompey home game. Firstly about GC, Starnes outwardly said Mansfield made 2 approaches for GC all of which were rejected until the 3rd one on the morning before the Ipswich game turned his head. He literally shot himself in the feet with both barrels and then his reputation went with him 12 games later at Mansfield. Now hes coaching kids again. If he was any good, in demand or location wasnt an option, he would have been in the running for the managers job at any FL club and if he didnt burn any bridges, including us in Feb. Hes not the first manager to do it to himself and he wont be the last. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. We were top 6 with January incoming and plenty of budget to spend as evidenced by Garner signing 7 players in the window. As for Ben Garner, we know hes a fan but it was BG who assembled and coached this club to 4 wins in 30 games which left us 3 points above the drop zone after getting hammered 4-1 at home by Fleetwood without a shot on goal (whats his opinion on that). His view on Tisdale about being the right man was totally misguided after he started playing centre halve as a wingers and midfielders, left wingers as right sided strikers, completely fudged the transfer window and we were getting thumped most games, 6-1 away at Accrington for example (no opinion on that either) Absolutely the recruitment has been terrible but by the time Joey got here and tightened us up, half the squad were injured, the other half knackered and their confidence shot with a total lack of professionalism throughout the squad if we are to believe what JB is saying. The only way to prove any of this is to allow JB to build a squad, in L2 and see how he performs with structure actually under a football professional whos fresh from playing at the sharp end of the pyramid in the modern era. The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) .
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 18:03:01 GMT
Hes been waiting to stick the knife in again since the Pompey home game. Firstly about GC, Starnes outwardly said Mansfield made 2 approaches for GC all of which were rejected until the 3rd one on the morning before the Ipswich game turned his head. Â He literally shot himself in the feet with both barrels and then his reputation went with him 12 games later at Mansfield. Â Now hes coaching kids again. Â If he was any good, in demand or location wasnt an option, he would have been in the running for the managers job at any FL club and if he didnt burn any bridges, including us in Feb. Â Hes not the first manager to do it to himself and he wont be the last. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. Â We were top 6 with January incoming and plenty of budget to spend as evidenced by Garner signing 7 players in the window. As for Ben Garner, we know hes a fan but it was BG who assembled and coached this club to 4 wins in 30 games which left us 3 points above the drop zone after getting hammered 4-1 at home by Fleetwood without a shot on goal (whats his opinion on that). His view on Tisdale about being the right man was totally misguided after he started playing centre halve as a wingers and midfielders, left wingers as right sided strikers, completely fudged the transfer window and we were getting thumped most games, 6-1 away at Accrington for example (no opinion on that either) Absolutely the recruitment has been terrible but by the time Joey got here and tightened us up, half the squad were injured, the other half knackered and their confidence shot with a total lack of professionalism throughout the squad if we are to believe what JB is saying. The only way to prove any of this is to allow JB to build a squad, in L2 and see how he performs with structure actually under a football professional whos fresh from playing at the sharp end of the pyramid in the modern era. The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) . Any evidence Garner came to our games prior up his appointment?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 18:17:55 GMT
You should clearly know Ben Hi boring Topper. Who were the 7 players? At least I've got a job! I make it 5 assuming we signed a goalie in January: Blackman Harries Ginnelly Barrett Daly Not sure if that list supports G1981 views that Wael was prepared to back his manager, or supports the alternative view that he was only going to sign players on the cheap which encouraged GC to jump ship.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 18:22:35 GMT
Hes been waiting to stick the knife in again since the Pompey home game. Firstly about GC, Starnes outwardly said Mansfield made 2 approaches for GC all of which were rejected until the 3rd one on the morning before the Ipswich game turned his head. He literally shot himself in the feet with both barrels and then his reputation went with him 12 games later at Mansfield. Now hes coaching kids again. If he was any good, in demand or location wasnt an option, he would have been in the running for the managers job at any FL club and if he didnt burn any bridges, including us in Feb. Hes not the first manager to do it to himself and he wont be the last. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. We were top 6 with January incoming and plenty of budget to spend as evidenced by Garner signing 7 players in the window. As for Ben Garner, we know hes a fan but it was BG who assembled and coached this club to 4 wins in 30 games which left us 3 points above the drop zone after getting hammered 4-1 at home by Fleetwood without a shot on goal (whats his opinion on that). His view on Tisdale about being the right man was totally misguided after he started playing centre halve as a wingers and midfielders, left wingers as right sided strikers, completely fudged the transfer window and we were getting thumped most games, 6-1 away at Accrington for example (no opinion on that either) Absolutely the recruitment has been terrible but by the time Joey got here and tightened us up, half the squad were injured, the other half knackered and their confidence shot with a total lack of professionalism throughout the squad if we are to believe what JB is saying. The only way to prove any of this is to allow JB to build a squad, in L2 and see how he performs with structure actually under a football professional whos fresh from playing at the sharp end of the pyramid in the modern era. The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) . How do you know that, another rumour which has become a Gaschat fact? As far as promotion that would have relied upon JCH both keeping fit and continuing to score goals.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 18:23:36 GMT
Hi boring Topper. Who were the 7 players? At least I've got a job! I make it 5 assuming we signed a goalie in January: Blackman Harries Ginnelly Barrett Daly Not sure if that list supports G1981 views that Wael was prepared to back his manager, or supports the alternative view that he was only going to sign players on the cheap which encouraged GC to jump ship. So first of all it was 5 not 7. Second of all Barrett was offered a contract prior go the window, confirmed several times as a Widdrington signing prior to Garner joining. Blackman was an emergency signing due to Anssi injury. So actually not 7 signings but 3? Oh and I’ll have fries with that.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 18:24:50 GMT
The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) . How do you know that, another rumour which has become a Gaschat fact? As far as promotion that would have relied upon JCH both keeping fit and continuing to score goals. Ridiculous and utter nonsense from start go finish
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Post by Jomo on Apr 23, 2021 18:29:20 GMT
Hes been waiting to stick the knife in again since the Pompey home game. Firstly about GC, Starnes outwardly said Mansfield made 2 approaches for GC all of which were rejected until the 3rd one on the morning before the Ipswich game turned his head. Â He literally shot himself in the feet with both barrels and then his reputation went with him 12 games later at Mansfield. Â Now hes coaching kids again. Â If he was any good, in demand or location wasnt an option, he would have been in the running for the managers job at any FL club and if he didnt burn any bridges, including us in Feb. Â Hes not the first manager to do it to himself and he wont be the last. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. Â We were top 6 with January incoming and plenty of budget to spend as evidenced by Garner signing 7 players in the window. As for Ben Garner, we know hes a fan but it was BG who assembled and coached this club to 4 wins in 30 games which left us 3 points above the drop zone after getting hammered 4-1 at home by Fleetwood without a shot on goal (whats his opinion on that). His view on Tisdale about being the right man was totally misguided after he started playing centre halve as a wingers and midfielders, left wingers as right sided strikers, completely fudged the transfer window and we were getting thumped most games, 6-1 away at Accrington for example (no opinion on that either) Absolutely the recruitment has been terrible but by the time Joey got here and tightened us up, half the squad were injured, the other half knackered and their confidence shot with a total lack of professionalism throughout the squad if we are to believe what JB is saying. The only way to prove any of this is to allow JB to build a squad, in L2 and see how he performs with structure actually under a football professional whos fresh from playing at the sharp end of the pyramid in the modern era. The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) . What's your source for all this info? I assume you're not just making stuff up?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 23, 2021 20:34:07 GMT
Agree with Ollie, from my understanding of what happened, GC went to the board before the Ipswich game and asked for more backing as he said he had taken the club as far as he could on the money he had, he wanted to bring in more creative players board said no he left. my understanding is completely different, he did not leave for that reason, I don't want to say the reason because I am not 100% You could have just said nothing. Instead you dangled the carrot. So go on then, pretty please, enlighten us peasants who aren't in the corridors of power.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 23, 2021 21:07:14 GMT
At least I've got a job! I make it 5 assuming we signed a goalie in January: Blackman Harries Ginnelly Barrett Daly Not sure if that list supports G1981 views that Wael was prepared to back his manager, or supports the alternative view that he was only going to sign players on the cheap which encouraged GC to jump ship. So first of all it was 5 not 7. Second of all Barrett was offered a contract prior go the window, confirmed several times as a Widdrington signing prior to Garner joining. Blackman was an emergency signing due to Anssi injury. So actually not 7 signings but 3? Oh and I’ll have fries with that. Funny, I make it: Blackman, Harries, Ginnelly, Barrett, Daly, Abraham & JML. Paint it how you want, but thats seven signings. I'd give you salt with those fries, but it seems like you're salty enough.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 21:20:58 GMT
At least I've got a job! I make it 5 assuming we signed a goalie in January: Blackman Harries Ginnelly Barrett Daly Not sure if that list supports G1981 views that Wael was prepared to back his manager, or supports the alternative view that he was only going to sign players on the cheap which encouraged GC to jump ship. So first of all it was 5 not 7. Second of all Barrett was offered a contract prior go the window, c onfirmed several times as a Widdrington signing prior to Garner joining.
Blackman was an emergency signing due to Anssi injury. So actually not 7 signings but 3? Oh and I’ll have fries with that. Your memory is just as bad as your management skills: Barrett is the Ben Garner's first permanent signing as manager of Bristol Rovers, with Garner reflecting on his new addition, saying: “We are delighted to welcome Josh to the football club.’ “Josh is a player who will add another dimension to our squad and is someone who we have watched and scouted thoroughly ahead of the current transfer window opening. “He’s a player that has been in and around the first-team environment at Reading for a while and he’s naturally looking to kickstart the next step of his career and we feel that Bristol Rovers is the perfect club to allow him to demonstrate his best attributes. “Again Josh showed the desire to join us and the hunger to play for Rovers. We are pleased that we have been able to get the deal done early, with a number of key fixtures on the horizon in the coming weeks and we thank Reading F.C for the manner in which they have conducted themselves throughout the process. “We look forward to welcoming Josh into the squad and I’m sure our supporters will give all the new arrivals the very best welcome to the Mem.’
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Post by landrover on Apr 23, 2021 21:41:21 GMT
The previous poster was correct, the board refused to give Coughlin any backing. Garner, wasn't one of "many" interviews. He had been recomended to us. Indeed he was watching our games from the previous October, from the West Stand. And you have to say, why do you watch games of one team unless something going to happen? Coughlin obviously thought , well if I am not getting backed, i might as well f**k off. Regarding Mansfield, like us they had a lot of crap players on contracts. Some have now gone. The board didn't like Couglin. I suspect they thought he was "too rough" for our sweet and homely football club". However I would always thank him becaause he brought in some good players, and got us higher than any other manager in 20+ years, and the home 4-2 win at home V Southend was a great birthday present for me. (It certainly was'nt boring) . I also believe that if we had brought in the 2 players he wanted then we would have gone up (probably instead of Wycombe) . Any evidence Garner came to our games prior up his appointment? What a stupid question. He was even more anonymous then than he is now. It’s not like the crowd parted as the messiah was taking his seat in the directors box! He signed in fact 7 players, not the 3 you claim. All in all a bad day in the Garner household.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 22:24:23 GMT
I’m glad I can count.
I’ll have some bbq sauce to go with those fries and some popcorn whilst more absolute crap is posted for me to chuckle at.
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