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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 23, 2021 7:35:39 GMT
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Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2021 8:02:02 GMT
Agree with Ollie, from my understanding of what happened, GC went to the board before the Ipswich game and asked for more backing as he said he had taken the club as far as he could on the money he had, he wanted to bring in more creative players board said no he left.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 8:02:10 GMT
Hes been waiting to stick the knife in again since the Pompey home game.
Firstly about GC, Starnes outwardly said Mansfield made 2 approaches for GC all of which were rejected until the 3rd one on the morning before the Ipswich game turned his head. He literally shot himself in the feet with both barrels and then his reputation went with him 12 games later at Mansfield. Now hes coaching kids again. If he was any good, in demand or location wasnt an option, he would have been in the running for the managers job at any FL club and if he didnt burn any bridges, including us in Feb. Hes not the first manager to do it to himself and he wont be the last.
It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. We were top 6 with January incoming and plenty of budget to spend as evidenced by Garner signing 7 players in the window.
As for Ben Garner, we know hes a fan but it was BG who assembled and coached this club to 4 wins in 30 games which left us 3 points above the drop zone after getting hammered 4-1 at home by Fleetwood without a shot on goal (whats his opinion on that). His view on Tisdale about being the right man was totally misguided after he started playing centre halve as a wingers and midfielders, left wingers as right sided strikers, completely fudged the transfer window and we were getting thumped most games, 6-1 away at Accrington for example (no opinion on that either)
Absolutely the recruitment has been terrible but by the time Joey got here and tightened us up, half the squad were injured, the other half knackered and their confidence shot with a total lack of professionalism throughout the squad if we are to believe what JB is saying.
The only way to prove any of this is to allow JB to build a squad, in L2 and see how he performs with structure actually under a football professional whos fresh from playing at the sharp end of the pyramid in the modern era.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 8:10:21 GMT
Agree with Ollie, from my understanding of what happened, GC went to the board before the Ipswich game and asked for more backing as he said he had taken the club as far as he could on the money he had, he wanted to bring in more creative players board said no he left. Nonsense, we signed 7 players in the Jan window. All of them "creative" in reputation. Josh Ginelly, JML, Harries, Barrett just the ones off the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 8:34:23 GMT
Only disagree with the last part of that.
It's a shame he doesn't open up completely though so that he tells us exactly what he knows.
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Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2021 8:36:24 GMT
Agree with Ollie, from my understanding of what happened, GC went to the board before the Ipswich game and asked for more backing as he said he had taken the club as far as he could on the money he had, he wanted to bring in more creative players board said no he left. Nonsense, we signed 7 players in the Jan window. All of them "creative" in reputation. Josh Ginelly, JML, Harries, Barrett just the ones off the top of my head. You are wrong mate Harries and Barrett were signed after GC left and the other two were loan signings. GC wanting to be closer two his family was only part of reason why he left. A player I would like to have seen signed this January is Kyle Lafferty a free agent, player with loads of international experience works hard creative and scores goals but he landed up going to Scottish Prem In February where he scored 6goals in 6games , so it is crap for the board to turn round and say there were no good free agents around .
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 8:54:59 GMT
Nonsense, we signed 7 players in the Jan window. All of them "creative" in reputation. Josh Ginelly, JML, Harries, Barrett just the ones off the top of my head. You are wrong mate Harries and Barrett were signed after GC left and the other two were loan signings. GC wanting to be closer two his family was only part of reason why he left. A player I would like to have seen signed this January is Kyle Lafferty a free agent, player with loads of international experience works hard creative and scores goals but he landed up going to Scottish Prem In February where he scored 6goals in 6games , so it is crap for the board to turn round and say there were no good free agents around . That's precisely my point. You said GC left because he was told there was going to be a change in recruitment policy and he wasnt allowed creative players. Garner, GC's replacement, signed 7 players in the Jan window, 2 weeks or so after GC had left. I have it absolutely first hand, from one of the players who is a customer of mine, that GC actually wanted to stay on and asked for a stay of execution, but the board decided his position was untenable after his outburst, and rightly so. I think its a whole lot easier for you to to accept that GC is a disloyal backstabber rather than some kind of suffragette.
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Post by gasheadontour on Apr 23, 2021 9:01:14 GMT
Sadly can't blame Stockley for going to Charlton but point taken that Rovers needed a striker. Not that it should be acceptable but chewing tobacco seems to be rife at other clubs.
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Post by poorblue on Apr 23, 2021 9:58:05 GMT
Only disagree with the last part of that. It's a shame he doesn't open up completely though so that he tells us exactly what he knows. I don't think Ollie knows anything, it's only his opinion. He is being paid to write newspaper articles, just like Mr Frost with the rules of the game is click bait! Ollie hasn't been involved with L1 football for some time and it not a current manager. The current Gillingham manager had this to say this week. “When I look at Bristol Rovers, bottom of the table, I really shake my head. I think they have good enough players, we have played against them and watched them many times, I don’t know what has gone wrong there. manager. "Bristol Rovers - who lured away a couple of Gills players with great fanfare last summer - are all-but relegated." i.e. Ehmer and Hanlan who he presumably didn't want to lose. So in summary two outsiders have different opinions and the three manager of The Gas had all stated at various points in the season the players are good enough for this division. The managers blamer someone else and the someone else blames the manager. I wonder what the players think? Did the player all reject all 3 managers. Even the fans blame everyone else except the tea lady as she can't be blamed as there was no tea to serve this season. UTG well next season I hope
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Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2021 10:11:34 GMT
The board wanted a manager they would give them tippy tappy football they got what they wanted and we got relegated, At this level as Barton says tippy tappy doesn't work you need good organisation, hard work and a bit of quality. And of course three or four decent strikers!.
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Post by kruger on Apr 23, 2021 10:41:40 GMT
Agree with Ollie, from my understanding of what happened, GC went to the board before the Ipswich game and asked for more backing as he said he had taken the club as far as he could on the money he had, he wanted to bring in more creative players board said no he left. my understanding is completely different, he did not leave for that reason, I don't want to say the reason because I am not 100%
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 10:52:25 GMT
The board wanted a manager they would give them tippy tappy football they got what they wanted and we got relegated, At this level as Barton says tippy tappy doesn't work you need good organisation, hard work and a bit of quality. And of course three or four decent strikers!. Nonsense again. The board, consistently, even this week in the face of relegation, have said they want to get to the championship, but with a sustainable model and an infrastructure which has been built including a focus on developing young players be it through our youth team or from players we sign with potential. No owner or board, in their right mind and with complete sanity, at a club like Bristol Rovers, will sack a manager when they are top 6 coming up to Xmas. At Watford i could understand it, but for us, no. Especially when MS came out and gave us chapter and verse on the events that week. The brand of attractive football came in the event of GC leaving, and not the cause of it. Do you think Wael is happy winning 1-0 everyweek and being 2nd playing hoofball or being relegated playing non productive passing football?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 23, 2021 11:31:44 GMT
Ollie sticks up for the previous managers, yet they presumably let the tobacco Snus thing go on right under their noses
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Post by Blackbeard on Apr 23, 2021 11:51:35 GMT
What’s the saying ?
You’ll never win anything with kids .....
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Post by pirate on Apr 23, 2021 12:37:01 GMT
Ollie sticks up for the previous managers, yet they presumably let the tobacco Snus thing go on right under their noses You're right, under the top lip to be precise.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 23, 2021 13:05:25 GMT
Ollie sticks up for the previous managers, yet they presumably let the tobacco Snus thing go on right under their noses You're right, under the top lip to be precise. Might as well have stuck it in their eyes, most of them played like they had done!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 13:35:32 GMT
Only disagree with the last part of that. It's a shame he doesn't open up completely though so that he tells us exactly what he knows. I don't think Ollie knows anything, it's only his opinion. He is being paid to write newspaper articles, just like Mr Frost with the rules of the game is click bait! Ollie hasn't been involved with L1 football for some time and it not a current manager. The current Gillingham manager had this to say this week. “When I look at Bristol Rovers, bottom of the table, I really shake my head. I think they have good enough players, we have played against them and watched them many times, I don’t know what has gone wrong there. manager. "Bristol Rovers - who lured away a couple of Gills players with great fanfare last summer - are all-but relegated." i.e. Ehmer and Hanlan who he presumably didn't want to lose. So in summary two outsiders have different opinions and the three manager of The Gas had all stated at various points in the season the players are good enough for this division. The managers blamer someone else and the someone else blames the manager. I wonder what the players think? Did the player all reject all 3 managers. Even the fans blame everyone else except the tea lady as she can't be blamed as there was no tea to serve this season. UTG well next season I hope If you don't believe that Ollie has spoken to all three of this seasons managers then ok.
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Post by landrover on Apr 23, 2021 13:56:05 GMT
You are wrong mate Harries and Barrett were signed after GC left and the other two were loan signings. GC wanting to be closer two his family was only part of reason why he left. A player I would like to have seen signed this January is Kyle Lafferty a free agent, player with loads of international experience works hard creative and scores goals but he landed up going to Scottish Prem In February where he scored 6goals in 6games , so it is crap for the board to turn round and say there were no good free agents around . That's precisely my point. You said GC left because he was told there was going to be a change in recruitment policy and he wasnt allowed creative players. Garner, GC's replacement, signed 7 players in the Jan window, 2 weeks or so after GC had left. I have it absolutely first hand, from one of the players who is a customer of mine, that GC actually wanted to stay on and asked for a stay of execution, but the board decided his position was untenable after his outburst, and rightly so. I think its a whole lot easier for you to to accept that GC is a disloyal backstabber rather than some kind of suffragette. Are you claiming that players know what’s going on in the boardroom? Why would they. Even players have their own agenda so I wouldn’t take too much notice. The fact it suits your view is coincidental of course. Who exactly did Coughlan stab as I have no idea?
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2021 15:11:47 GMT
That's precisely my point. You said GC left because he was told there was going to be a change in recruitment policy and he wasnt allowed creative players. Garner, GC's replacement, signed 7 players in the Jan window, 2 weeks or so after GC had left. I have it absolutely first hand, from one of the players who is a customer of mine, that GC actually wanted to stay on and asked for a stay of execution, but the board decided his position was untenable after his outburst, and rightly so. I think its a whole lot easier for you to to accept that GC is a disloyal backstabber rather than some kind of suffragette. Are you claiming that players know what’s going on in the boardroom? Why would they. Even players have their own agenda so I wouldn’t take too much notice. The fact it suits your view is coincidental of course. Who exactly did Coughlan stab as I have no idea? Is that what I have said? I am saying a senior first team pro spoke to Coughlan and was told by Cogs that he didnt want to leave. I'm happy to call it as I see it, praise and criticism in equal measure. I'll see through any lies, trust me. I have no reason to disbelieve what I have been told, as it fits perfectly with logic and his outburst in which he made his own job untenable. It was the greatest act of public professional suicide you can ever watch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 15:52:18 GMT
Are you claiming that players know what’s going on in the boardroom? Why would they. Even players have their own agenda so I wouldn’t take too much notice. The fact it suits your view is coincidental of course. Who exactly did Coughlan stab as I have no idea? Is that what I have said? I am saying a senior first team pro spoke to Coughlan and was told by Cogs that he didnt want to leave. I'm happy to call it as I see it, praise and criticism in equal measure. I'll see through any lies, trust me. I have no reason to disbelieve what I have been told, as it fits perfectly with logic and his outburst in which he made his own job untenable. It was the greatest act of public professional suicide you can ever watch. Rovers then committed commercial suicide by allowing him to leave and then deciding to throw away what he had achieved by falling for Garner's "vision" nonsense, it's pretty obvious when GC left Wael wanted to follow a different path, so it could well be that he wasn't going to back him last January if he stayed, the problem was the path Wael followed took us from potential promotion/play off candidates to the bottom of the table. Now he's brought in JB who seems to want to follow a similar path to GC by signing experienced pros whilst kicking the "vision" firmly into touch.
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