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Post by oldie on May 3, 2021 7:54:34 GMT
Come on Purds, it’s an internet forum don’t be so nice. His opinion is wrong give him both barrels. 🥊 😁 😅 gassole, I can’t help it , I’m a softie female ! Not so sure on the "softie" definition😜😜
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 3, 2021 7:58:12 GMT
You are indeed entitled to your opinion , i also do not believe public humiliation by a manager in any field of work is acceptable, but then again is not this forum guilty of the same thing in its comments about BG for instance and indeed are you not guilty of the same thing with your public character assassination of JB? I agree that constantly being told you are worthless is not at all constructive or pleasant and can lead to very tragic outcomes, i think all users of public forums should stop and think before posting such comments . Sorry halifax but to compare the public shaming of the players and the club by the manager to the press, to the shared opinions of the fans on a fan's forum, is comparing apples with oranges. It is not a comparison. The manager is working with the players every day. It is literally his job to coach them, manage them and get the best out of them. This forum is a place for us minority of fans to discuss our opinions about all things Gas. I would like to think that none or not many of us would actually tag any players or staff on Twitter in a horrible rant as that's nasty behaviour, but the point is this is what forums are for. If a player wants to actively scroll through this forum to see what people think of him, then that's their prerogative. It's nothing at all like their manager slamming them and shaming them at every opportunity to the press for the last couple of months. cj is right, we have gotten progressively worse since Barton came in, the results bear that as a fact. Confidence is at an all time low. Barton has overseen that decline. Nonetheless, I still want to see how he does over the summer and into next season. He better succeed and cut the excuses because the Gasheads won't stand for any more of them once he has had a transfer window. Kind of with you on this, JB deserves to show us what he can do with his own squad, he will have nowhere to hide if its a car crash
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Post by yattongas on May 3, 2021 8:07:42 GMT
Professional sport is a tough business, I expect every poster on this forum would love to earn a crust playing sport....especially football. Calling out the players for being abysmal might not be nice but it goes with the territory IMO , they get paid good money to deliver and ultimately they failed spectacularly. When it came to the crunch with 10 games to go they won 1 game , drew 1 game and lost all the others. Without checking I reckon you won’t find a worse set of results in all 4 divisions.
The management have also called out themselves, saying it’s not good enough , they’re embarrassed feel humiliated etc . So they bloody should do , everyone connected with the club should. What Joey said is some of them won’t be or deserve earning a living serving up that dross and he’s bloody right. He knows along with the other management team it’s not acceptable. He gave them the shape up or ship out speech , they didn’t did they . They sank without a trace.
He knows he has to deliver next season, he knows he has to deliver from the start . Let him get his own troops around him for the battle , give him 10-15 games and if we’re not up their challenging he should go as well.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 3, 2021 8:08:34 GMT
😅 gassole, I can’t help it , I’m a softie female ! Not so sure on the "softie" definition😜😜 Thanks oldie , I knew I’d hear from u eventually 💙
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Post by stevek192 on May 3, 2021 8:16:07 GMT
Toppergas, I didn't think you had that bad a memory- Ehmer not being that bad prior to JBs outburst? You are having a laugh-he has been bloody awful as has Kilgour in around 75% of the matches he has played in. A signing that is up there with Gary Kenneth.
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Post by oldie on May 3, 2021 8:28:10 GMT
So who should we believe in then? What is the answers to our problems? Answer came there none. 😂 Because its a stupid question. I am not in a position to know every available person who might apply or be interested in the job. I am in a position to comment on Barton's record with us, as its open to all of us. Its been useless. What we could do, if you like, is list the attributes we would seek in a manager? I will start, you can add or delete at your leisure. So, 1. Minimum of 5 years managing a professional football club at EFL standard. 2. A quantifiable knowledge of players at League 1/2. 3. A proven ability to coach and manage professional players to achieve optimum performance. 4. A strong record of developing young players below the first team. 5. Strong man management skills and an identifiable empathy for the various issues facing young men as they strive for a successful career in the professional game. 6. To be articulate and be capable of being the public face of the club both to those with a vested interest in the club and, as importantly, the media both locally and nationally. 7. To have a strong personal ethic and act in a way that does not bring the club into disrepute. There you are, 7 as a starter, add yours, then tell us how many of those criteria Barton meets. Go on
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Post by yetigas on May 3, 2021 8:31:39 GMT
Some of you may have already seen this on Twitter, or it may have already been posted on here and if so I'm sorry. But this is the reason here why I'm willing to give Joey a chance.He has personality, passion, ambition and is a football and Non PC bollox talking man unlike Garner.The guy is the man taking us down but he is not the cause. I'm will to give him the chance to overlook a complete rebuilt based on my gut feeling and his record at Fleetwood. There is something very DC about him and I think next season he will become a huge hit with our fans once crowds are back.UTG I think he could go down as a gas Legend one day if things go right. JB has done nothing yet apart from take us into League 2. I admire your blind faith but I am not sure that your gut feeling is a good guide to the future! 'Something very DC about him'? I disagree. When DC took us into the National League it clearly hurt him and he put all his effort into rectifying that. He embraced Bristol Rovers and for 3 seasons, until he ran out of steam, he did pretty well. I don't see JB hurting - he has seemingly grudgingly accepted a small part of the blame for relegation but I don't see or hear any emotion that suggests he is really upset about it. Have you noticed that in his interviews JB refers to Bristol Rovers as 'you' and not 'we'? Its like he's on a short term consultants mission. I look forward to the day when he refers to Bristol Rovers as 'we' - then he will be beginning to be more like DC - but he has a very long way to go. That said - I want him to succeed - I do NOT want him to find an excuse to leave. He has overseen the worst performances of the season (quite an achievement!!) and he now has the responsibility to put things right. Let's see how good a manager he really is - and if he shows he is really invested in BRFC then he will have my full support.
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Post by yattongas on May 3, 2021 8:34:07 GMT
😂 Because its a stupid question. I am not in a position to know every available person who might apply or be interested in the job. I am in a position to comment on Barton's record with us, as its open to all of us. Its been useless. What we could do, if you like, is list the attributes we would seek in a manager? I will start, you can add or delete at your leisure. So, 1. Minimum of 5 years managing a professional football club at EFL standard. 2. A quantifiable knowledge of players at League 1/2. 3. A proven ability to coach and manage professional players to achieve optimum performance. 4. A strong record of developing young players below the first team. 4. Strong man management skills and an identifiable empathy for the various issues facing young men as they strive for a successful career in the professional game. 5. To be articulate and be capable of being the public face of the club both to those with a vested interest in the club and, as importantly, the media both locally and nationally. 6. To have a strong personal ethic and act in a way that does not bring the club into disrepute. There you are, 6 as a starter, add yours, then tell us how many of those criteria Barton meets. Go on Oldie , agreed he’s been crap this season and has been more talk than action . That aside , if he gets off to a flyer next season are you prepared to change your mind on him ? I get it you don’t like the character of the man but if he delivers would you support him ?
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Post by yattongas on May 3, 2021 8:40:12 GMT
Some of you may have already seen this on Twitter, or it may have already been posted on here and if so I'm sorry. But this is the reason here why I'm willing to give Joey a chance.He has personality, passion, ambition and is a football and Non PC bollox talking man unlike Garner.The guy is the man taking us down but he is not the cause. I'm will to give him the chance to overlook a complete rebuilt based on my gut feeling and his record at Fleetwood. There is something very DC about him and I think next season he will become a huge hit with our fans once crowds are back.UTG I think he could go down as a gas Legend one day if things go right. JB has done nothing yet apart from take us into League 2. I admire your blind faith but I am not sure that your gut feeling is a good guide to the future! 'Something very DC about him'? I disagree. When DC took us into the National League it clearly hurt him and he put all his effort into rectifying that. He embraced Bristol Rovers and for 3 seasons, until he ran out of steam, he did pretty well. I don't see JB hurting - he has seemingly grudgingly accepted a small part of the blame for relegation but I don't see or hear any emotion that suggests he is really upset about it. Have you noticed that in his interviews JB refers to Bristol Rovers as 'you' and not 'we'? Its like he's on a short term consultants mission. I look forward to the day when he refers to Bristol Rovers as 'we' - then he will be beginning to be more like DC - but he has a very long way to go. That said - I want him to succeed - I do NOT want him to find an excuse to leave. He has overseen the worst performances of the season (quite an achievement!!) and he now has the responsibility to put things right. Let's see how good a manager he really is - and if he shows he is really invested in BRFC then he will have my full support. Good points on the ‘us’ and ‘we’. Think it’s difficult to get an affinity with the club in an empty stadium every week without your own fans or a set of players you don’t think of as ‘yours’. your points are valid though , we want and need him to buy into the ethos of the club and for him to take us along with him and vice versa. In it together etc .
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Post by oldie on May 3, 2021 8:41:04 GMT
😂 Because its a stupid question. I am not in a position to know every available person who might apply or be interested in the job. I am in a position to comment on Barton's record with us, as its open to all of us. Its been useless. What we could do, if you like, is list the attributes we would seek in a manager? I will start, you can add or delete at your leisure. So, 1. Minimum of 5 years managing a professional football club at EFL standard. 2. A quantifiable knowledge of players at League 1/2. 3. A proven ability to coach and manage professional players to achieve optimum performance. 4. A strong record of developing young players below the first team. 4. Strong man management skills and an identifiable empathy for the various issues facing young men as they strive for a successful career in the professional game. 5. To be articulate and be capable of being the public face of the club both to those with a vested interest in the club and, as importantly, the media both locally and nationally. 6. To have a strong personal ethic and act in a way that does not bring the club into disrepute. There you are, 6 as a starter, add yours, then tell us how many of those criteria Barton meets. Go on Oldie , agreed he’s been crap this season and has been more talk than action . That aside , if he gets off to a flyer next season are you prepared to change your mind on him ? I get it you don’t like the character of the man but if he delivers would you support him ? Barring some repulsive behaviour, yes of course I would. First and foremost my heart and support is with the team, he is part of that. I want, desperately, the club to do well. But, at the moment, I just cant see any evidence that we will do well. Nobody would happier than me to be proved wrong.
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Post by yattongas on May 3, 2021 8:43:24 GMT
Oldie , agreed he’s been crap this season and has been more talk than action . That aside , if he gets off to a flyer next season are you prepared to change your mind on him ? I get it you don’t like the character of the man but if he delivers would you support him ? Barring some repulsive behaviour, yes of course I would. First and foremost my heart and support is with the team, he is part of that. I want, desperately, the club to do well. But, at the moment, I just cant see any evidence that we will do well. Nobody would happier than me to be proved wrong. Onwards & upwards ! Up the bloody Gas 😀👍
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Post by yetigas on May 3, 2021 8:48:46 GMT
I wanted him as soon as Tisdale was got rid of. But... He is divisive, some of the things he has said to the press has made my balls ache. He has a bit if a dodgy past with a court case coming up and if you look at his social media he is into a few strange spiritual practices. There is ALWAYS going to be the group of people that want him out, therr was with DC,BG,GC,PT and any other manager we get in, some have valid reasons, others do it just to get a reaction, if we got ckenbauer José Mourinho people would moan, thats never going to change in people. Since December 2018 7 people have managed us that's one every 4 months on average (I've included Maher and Widdrington) we can't go on like that, we ought to consider ourselves lucky JB gave us a shot, no decent manager is going to look at that record and take us seriously. so whether your for or against I believe, with all of his faults, we are lucky to have him and his team and I'm prepared to stand by him for the long term. On another note I'm also happy that over the months JB has been with us he has said everything I've wanted to scream at them from the stands, BG and PT seemed like they were too soft, and I wanted them to be shouted at, for the most part the team under performed and made immature mistakes, that wasn't a lack of skill it was lack of concentration and focus... they didn't care and BG and PT were to nice to shout at themand the shouting really improved results didn't it!!! We have no idea what BG and PT said to the players behind closed doors - that shows good management as there is no need to communicate with players via the media when you meet them face to face every day. Seems to me like JB read the fans forum and made a few populist outbursts to get the fans onside. But JB is not a fan, he is a manager - he should behave like one.
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Post by stevek192 on May 3, 2021 8:52:05 GMT
Oldie, 1 not necessarily needed,2 I believe we will find that he does have a good knowledge but time will tell-3.He seemed to have this at Fleetwood 4 Again irrelevent in the current game at this level- better off bringing in players from outside. 4 (2) Hes lived it at a young age and again Fleetwood seemed to be ok in this aspect.5. He says it as it is- I have heard he is very artiiculate and very good with the players and to me he appears hurt and wants to put things right so lets give him a chance to put his words into actions and then judge. 6. Has he brought the club into disrepute? I think some of the players have achieved that with disgusting performances. Finally Oldie I expect if we brought in a Manager who met your criterea we would end up with Tisdale back!!! I think you will find that our only hopes of staying up died when Nicholson was loss. That was the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by womble on May 3, 2021 8:58:58 GMT
JB has done nothing yet apart from take us into League 2. I admire your blind faith but I am not sure that your gut feeling is a good guide to the future! 'Something very DC about him'? I disagree. When DC took us into the National League it clearly hurt him and he put all his effort into rectifying that. He embraced Bristol Rovers and for 3 seasons, until he ran out of steam, he did pretty well. I don't see JB hurting - he has seemingly grudgingly accepted a small part of the blame for relegation but I don't see or hear any emotion that suggests he is really upset about it. Have you noticed that in his interviews JB refers to Bristol Rovers as 'you' and not 'we'? Its like he's on a short term consultants mission. I look forward to the day when he refers to Bristol Rovers as 'we' - then he will be beginning to be more like DC - but he has a very long way to go. That said - I want him to succeed - I do NOT want him to find an excuse to leave. He has overseen the worst performances of the season (quite an achievement!!) and he now has the responsibility to put things right. Let's see how good a manager he really is - and if he shows he is really invested in BRFC then he will have my full support. Good points on the ‘us’ and ‘we’. Think it’s difficult to get an affinity with the club in an empty stadium every week without your own fans or a set of players you don’t think of as ‘yours’. your points are valid though , we want and need him to buy into the ethos of the club and for him to take us along with him and vice versa. In it together etc . As a comparison, Tisdale clearly made the point that they were now ‘his’ players regardless of whether he’d signed them from the moment he arrived. DC said much the same thing in the post match interview someone posted for a recent Port Vale game. JB refers to the players as ‘they’ not ‘we’, which is something my Stoke supporting brother in law pointed out to me not long after he arrived. If he is going to be successful, then JB might want to work on using inclusive language. He’s a student of the game so he should be aware that the most successful manager of the England team, Alf Ramsey, never criticised his players in public. That was kept in house.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 3, 2021 9:00:56 GMT
I wanted him as soon as Tisdale was got rid of. But... He is divisive, some of the things he has said to the press has made my balls ache. He has a bit if a dodgy past with a court case coming up and if you look at his social media he is into a few strange spiritual practices. There is ALWAYS going to be the group of people that want him out, there was with DC,BG,GC,PT and any other manager we get in, some have valid reasons, others do it just to get a reaction, if we got ckenbauer José Mourinho people would moan, thats never going to change in people. Since December 2018 7 people have managed us that's one every 4 months on average (I've included Maher and Widdrington) we can't go on like that, we ought to consider ourselves lucky JB gave us a shot, no decent manager is going to look at that record and take us seriously. so whether your for or against I believe, with all of his faults, we are lucky to have him and his team and I'm prepared to stand by him for the long term. On another note I'm also happy that over the months JB has been with us he has said everything I've wanted to scream at them from the stands, BG and PT seemed like they were too soft, and I wanted them to be shouted at, for the most part the team under performed and made immature mistakes, that wasn't a lack of skill it was lack of concentration and focus... they didn't care and BG and PT were to nice to shout at themand the shouting really improved results didn't it!!! We have no idea what BG and PT said to the players behind closed doors - that shows good management as there is no need to communicate with payers via the media when you meet them face to face every day. Seems to me like JB read he fans forum and made a few populist outbursts to get the fans onside. But JB is not a fan, he is a manager - he should behave like one. I dont much care that he did, this has been said over and over, it wasn't his team, and to be fair on their best day they were dog sh1t. Its embarrassing how many managers we get through, no decent available manager would consider coming to us, I mentioned earlier in my post that his match interviews made my balls ache, you've not really called me out on anything there. Hes got nowhere to hide this season its going to be his team, just give him the opportunity to do his job with his own choice of players. If you look out how we finished last season the writing was in the wall, this hasn't been a new unexpected thing thats happened to us we should have all half expected this, but we got wrapped up in the new signings and the hope of the season ahead of us... when honestly? ... we've been a bit crap for years, INCLUDING when GC was with us, can anyone honestly say we were good enough to go to the championship? he rode his luck and we punched over our weight. How is getting any other manager in now any better than keeping the one we have?
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Post by bluegas on May 3, 2021 9:12:18 GMT
😂 Because its a stupid question. I am not in a position to know every available person who might apply or be interested in the job. I am in a position to comment on Barton's record with us, as its open to all of us. Its been useless. What we could do, if you like, is list the attributes we would seek in a manager? I will start, you can add or delete at your leisure. So, 1. Minimum of 5 years managing a professional football club at EFL standard. 2. A quantifiable knowledge of players at League 1/2. 3. A proven ability to coach and manage professional players to achieve optimum performance. 4. A strong record of developing young players below the first team. 5. Strong man management skills and an identifiable empathy for the various issues facing young men as they strive for a successful career in the professional game. 6. To be articulate and be capable of being the public face of the club both to those with a vested interest in the club and, as importantly, the media both locally and nationally. 7. To have a strong personal ethic and act in a way that does not bring the club into disrepute. There you are, 7 as a starter, add yours, then tell us how many of those criteria Barton meets. Go on Fine. Very well thought out. Where we might disagree is the likelihood of Bristol Rovers finding such a man (if he were to exist) and attracting him.
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Post by oldie on May 3, 2021 9:36:28 GMT
😂 Because its a stupid question. I am not in a position to know every available person who might apply or be interested in the job. I am in a position to comment on Barton's record with us, as its open to all of us. Its been useless. What we could do, if you like, is list the attributes we would seek in a manager? I will start, you can add or delete at your leisure. So, 1. Minimum of 5 years managing a professional football club at EFL standard. 2. A quantifiable knowledge of players at League 1/2. 3. A proven ability to coach and manage professional players to achieve optimum performance. 4. A strong record of developing young players below the first team. 5. Strong man management skills and an identifiable empathy for the various issues facing young men as they strive for a successful career in the professional game. 6. To be articulate and be capable of being the public face of the club both to those with a vested interest in the club and, as importantly, the media both locally and nationally. 7. To have a strong personal ethic and act in a way that does not bring the club into disrepute. There you are, 7 as a starter, add yours, then tell us how many of those criteria Barton meets. Go on Fine. Very well thought out. Where we might disagree is the likelihood of Bristol Rovers finding such a man (if he were to exist) and attracting him. Agreed my friend. Whenever recruiting its very rare that you meet someone who matches your criteria 100%. You go for the best you can get. On that note, I think its time to sit back, let the pain and anger of relegation subside and enjoy the summer. Got my ticket for the Glos V Somerset game, May 21st. Then await anxiously for the team recruitment in July / August. Have a great summer mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 10:30:58 GMT
There you go, I added what you forgot in your post. I always find a little bit strange, in fact wonder what occupies the minds of people, when they feel compelled to alter other members posts. But if by so doing Bideford you feel better this morning then thats fine. I hope you find something better to do this Bank Holiday. Maybe read a book? Believe or not the first time ever I have added to, not altered another posters post. As regards something better to do, you seem to be very active on here anytime, day or night. I could not care a toss about what you intend to do today, so I don't want you to worry about what I am doing.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 3, 2021 10:44:45 GMT
I always find a little bit strange, in fact wonder what occupies the minds of people, when they feel compelled to alter other members posts. But if by so doing Bideford you feel better this morning then thats fine. I hope you find something better to do this Bank Holiday. Maybe read a book? Believe or not the first time ever I have added to, not altered another posters post. As regards something better to do, you seem to be very active on here anytime, day or night. I could not care a toss about what you intend to do today, so I don't want you to worry about what I am doing. Now, now ladies let's play nice with each other.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 3, 2021 10:47:00 GMT
And god said to Moses, come forth, but he came fifth. Nothing like irrational blind faith is there. Isn't this "but Moses came fifth and won a toaster?"
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