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Post by Topper Gas on May 13, 2021 20:51:42 GMT
I would have offered him a new 1 year deal. Our best CB when fit without a doubt. Agree. A one year deal with an option to extend given his injury record. If he had played as many games with us this season than he did with Barrow, we would have picked up more points. Why risk offering an injury prone CH a year's contract when there must be plenty out there who are fully fit?
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Post by gashead1981 on May 13, 2021 21:07:57 GMT
Thank goodness Upson has gone.
I also fully expect to see the following go:
Baldwin Ehmer Tutonda Harries Williams
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Post by eastgas on May 13, 2021 21:14:09 GMT
Thank goodness Upson has gone. I also fully expect to see the following go: Baldwin Ehmer Tutonda Harries Williams I think Jaakkola, Daly and Westbrooke will be added to that list
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Post by daniel300380 on May 13, 2021 21:18:13 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. He was man of the match for his first two starts, but then had a muscle problem and never rediscovered that form. If he didn’t pick up the injury and carried on that form and we lost him for nothing, everyone would have moaned. It's not hindsight it's common sense, what non league 25 yr old full backs have ever gone for big money just a year after joining a league side? He’s probably on a low wage. So does not matter if he’s got another year😂. Would have been worse if he did well and he then left for nothing. If he’s on a low wage, 2 year deal was right. It’s not like he’s our highest earner!
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Post by Blackbeard on May 13, 2021 21:39:27 GMT
Question is, how many contracted players have been told they can find another club? 3 for sure
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Post by TAGas on May 13, 2021 21:42:35 GMT
Question is, how many contracted players have been told they can find another club? 3 for sure Harries, Tutonda, Barrett, Daly and Ehmer
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Post by Jomo on May 13, 2021 21:44:43 GMT
Harries, Tutonda, Barrett, Daly and Ehmer That's 5
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Post by lympstonegas on May 13, 2021 21:46:10 GMT
Why not Baldwin as well
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 21:53:55 GMT
Lockyer, Bodin, Ellis and JCH all spring to mind as players we could have got a lot more for if they had longer contracts. 750,000 for Ellis is absolute daylight robbery by us. Lockyer had a decent length contract, just ran it down and nobody tried to buy him before it expired
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Post by Gaswood on May 13, 2021 22:00:20 GMT
Lockyer, Bodin, Ellis and JCH all spring to mind as players we could have got a lot more for if they had longer contracts. 750,000 for Ellis is absolute daylight robbery by us. Lockyer had a decent length contract, just ran it down and nobody tried to buy him before it expired I also love how we have 1 thread with people saying Bodin has always been injured and worthless so not worth even a trial or performance related contract, and a 2nd thread where people say we had our pants pulled down selling him for £700k to Preston with 6months left on his contract.
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Post by Jenks on May 13, 2021 23:05:18 GMT
I’m ok with Leahy moving on because I just don’t think his defensive abilities are strong enough. But it did make me question again whether we can believe anything that comes out of JB’s mouth. It was only a week ago that he said Leahy’s new contract was 95% done: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-contract-negotiations-rumble-barton-5388626It seems clear now that was quite an over-statement of the facts. So why say it? This is just one example, but overall since he has joined us, JB’s communication and his behaviour really make me question his abilities as both a leader (someone who can motivate and set a vision and strategy which people want to follow) and a manager (someone who can coach and coax the very best out of people, given what they have to work with). I find it depressing, but I fear JB is lacking in both areas.
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Post by pirate on May 13, 2021 23:18:59 GMT
I’m ok with Leahy moving on because I just don’t think his defensive abilities are strong enough. But it did make me question again whether we can believe anything that comes out of JB’s mouth. It was only a week ago that he said Leahy’s new contract was 95% done: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-contract-negotiations-rumble-barton-5388626It seems clear now that was quite an over-statement of the facts. So why say it? This is just one example, but overall since he has joined us, JB’s communication and his behaviour really make me question his abilities as both a leader (someone who can motivate and set a vision and strategy which people want to follow) and a manager (someone who can coach and coax the very best out of people, given what they have to work with). I find it depressing, but I fear JB is lacking in both areas. A week is a very long time in football. It may have been 95% done and Leahy indicated a willingness to sign, but since then he may have been contacted by other clubs and changed his mind, with Burton and Shrewsbury both now linked. With him being born in Coventry a move to either may appeal as as well as the chance to stay in League One.
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Post by stevek192 on May 13, 2021 23:31:25 GMT
Jenks, Why not just wait and see what players JB brings in before criticising. Perhaps there is a chance that YOU are wrong with all your assumptions. He didnt seem to be too bad at leading Fleetwood both as a Manager and coaching them. have you not thought that perhaps the players or many of them are just bad apples. Why not give the bloke a chance next season and then comment or are you one of those who will just disappear if you are wrong? I have no problem at all with any of his decisions so far and Leahy is no loss at all defensively.
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Post by Jenks on May 14, 2021 1:25:26 GMT
Jenks, Why not just wait and see what players JB brings in before criticising. Perhaps there is a chance that YOU are wrong with all your assumptions. He didnt seem to be too bad at leading Fleetwood both as a Manager and coaching them. have you not thought that perhaps the players or many of them are just bad apples. Why not give the bloke a chance next season and then comment or are you one of those who will just disappear if you are wrong? I have no problem at all with any of his decisions so far and Leahy is no loss at all defensively. Hi Steve Yes I have no problem with him letting Leahy go. My comment was more around how his communication on Leahy (95% agreed and then he leaves) is just another example of what we’ve seen on JB’s leadership and management so far, which continues to worry me. I’ve worked with and observed a lot of people whom I think are great leaders and mangers, and who have got the best out of me, and I don’t see many of these traits in JB. But each to their own, and of course he did a decent job at Fleetwood. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong, and it may well be the case that these particular players will only respond to this type of leadership at this moment. If I am wrong, I promise that I won’t disappear! UTG
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 14, 2021 6:14:59 GMT
Jenks, Why not just wait and see what players JB brings in before criticising. Perhaps there is a chance that YOU are wrong with all your assumptions. He didnt seem to be too bad at leading Fleetwood both as a Manager and coaching them. have you not thought that perhaps the players or many of them are just bad apples. Why not give the bloke a chance next season and then comment or are you one of those who will just disappear if you are wrong? I have no problem at all with any of his decisions so far and Leahy is no loss at all defensively. stevek192. Have you been reading Fleetwoods updates ? Have a read
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Post by gashead1981 on May 14, 2021 6:24:19 GMT
Jenks, Why not just wait and see what players JB brings in before criticising. Perhaps there is a chance that YOU are wrong with all your assumptions. He didnt seem to be too bad at leading Fleetwood both as a Manager and coaching them. have you not thought that perhaps the players or many of them are just bad apples. Why not give the bloke a chance next season and then comment or are you one of those who will just disappear if you are wrong? I have no problem at all with any of his decisions so far and Leahy is no loss at all defensively. Hi Steve Yes I have no problem with him letting Leahy go. My comment was more around how his communication on Leahy (95% agreed and then he leaves) is just another example of what we’ve seen on JB’s leadership and management so far, which continues to worry me. I’ve worked with and observed a lot of people whom I think are great leaders and mangers, and who have got the best out of me, and I don’t see many of these traits in JB. But each to their own, and of course he did a decent job at Fleetwood. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong, and it may well be the case that these particular players will only respond to this type of leadership at this moment. If I am wrong, I promise that I won’t disappear! UTG Player gets offered a contract and says he will stay then changes his mind.... Shock horror that’s never happened to us before has it.
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Post by yattongas on May 14, 2021 6:35:58 GMT
Lockyer, Bodin, Ellis and JCH all spring to mind as players we could have got a lot more for if they had longer contracts. 750,000 for Ellis is absolute daylight robbery by us. Lockyer had a decent length contract, just ran it down and nobody tried to buy him before it expired I said at the time we did well to get that fee and he wasn’t good enough for the championship. Turns out Taylor wasn’t good enough or Bodin as neither played a lot of games at that level. We’ve had a pretty poor record in recent yrs of players going on to play at a higher level , which tells its own story.
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Post by percy on May 14, 2021 6:46:32 GMT
Weird how those that think Joey is a brilliant coach, think we should get rid of players who have performed well at other clubs, can't he get them back to where they were? And improve the young ones with potential? Not impressed if not. I'd hope to see him get Grant and Westbrooke performing. Plus make consistent players out of some of Harries, Tutonda, Walker, Liddle, Hargreaves, Mehew and Ayunga If we do what some hope and get rid of everyone (except the crocked Anssi and Nicholson) we will be back in the conference pretty damn quick. Rebuild and be a good coach and manager.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 6:54:31 GMT
I’m ok with Leahy moving on because I just don’t think his defensive abilities are strong enough. But it did make me question again whether we can believe anything that comes out of JB’s mouth. It was only a week ago that he said Leahy’s new contract was 95% done: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-contract-negotiations-rumble-barton-5388626It seems clear now that was quite an over-statement of the facts. So why say it? This is just one example, but overall since he has joined us, JB’s communication and his behaviour really make me question his abilities as both a leader (someone who can motivate and set a vision and strategy which people want to follow) and a manager (someone who can coach and coax the very best out of people, given what they have to work with). I find it depressing, but I fear JB is lacking in both areas. Absolute bollocks. That article clearly states what was going on and JB reiterates several times in it that it was not over the line yet. Your someone else quite obviously that does not like JB and will have a dig at every opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 7:02:37 GMT
Weird how those that think Joey is a brilliant coach, think we should get rid of players who have performed well at other clubs, can't he get them back to where they were? And improve the young ones with potential? Not impressed if not. I'd hope to see him get Grant and Westbrooke performing. Plus make consistent players out of some of Harries, Tutonda, Walker, Liddle, Hargreaves, Mehew and Ayunga If we do what some hope and get rid of everyone (except the crocked Anssi and Nicholson) we will be back in the conference pretty damn quick. Rebuild and be a good coach and manager. Give the bloke a chance. You can't get rid of contracted players unless they want to go and he has got rid of those he could. Kyle Bennett being a recent example of previous manager DC's generosity. There's £17k/month off the wage bill straight away, thank god. Hopefully those he brings in will all be regular starters and others step up to the mark.
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