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Post by percy on May 14, 2021 7:07:19 GMT
Weird how those that think Joey is a brilliant coach, think we should get rid of players who have performed well at other clubs, can't he get them back to where they were? And improve the young ones with potential? Not impressed if not. I'd hope to see him get Grant and Westbrooke performing. Plus make consistent players out of some of Harries, Tutonda, Walker, Liddle, Hargreaves, Mehew and Ayunga If we do what some hope and get rid of everyone (except the crocked Anssi and Nicholson) we will be back in the conference pretty damn quick. Rebuild and be a good coach and manager. Give the bloke a chance. You can't get rid of contracted players unless they want to go and he has got rid of those he could. Kyle Bennett being a recent example of previous manager DC's generosity. There's £17k/month off the wage bill straight away, thank god. Hopefully those he brings in will all be regular starters and others step up to the mark. Yep, this is what I am saying
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Post by carlts2020 on May 14, 2021 7:09:26 GMT
So current squad we have:
2 goalkeepers 1 right back 1 left back 5 CBS 4 midfielders? 4 forwards?
Excluding any young players that haven’t played a league game.
Is that right?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 7:09:31 GMT
Hi Steve Yes I have no problem with him letting Leahy go. My comment was more around how his communication on Leahy (95% agreed and then he leaves) is just another example of what we’ve seen on JB’s leadership and management so far, which continues to worry me. I’ve worked with and observed a lot of people whom I think are great leaders and mangers, and who have got the best out of me, and I don’t see many of these traits in JB. But each to their own, and of course he did a decent job at Fleetwood. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong, and it may well be the case that these particular players will only respond to this type of leadership at this moment. If I am wrong, I promise that I won’t disappear! UTG Player gets offered a contract and says he will stay then changes his mind.... Shock horror that’s never happened to us before has it. Exactly 81. Leahy never said he would stay and only a few days ago in his interview to camera avoided that very question. As JB said, all was done at our end and it was up to Leahy and his agent to give us the nod. The rest is history as is Leahy. We move on, plenty of Leahy type players out there, I would hope for better.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on May 14, 2021 7:47:54 GMT
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Post by Wembley_Gas on May 14, 2021 8:03:20 GMT
Both those under negotiation still have games to play for the clubs we lent them to. Hulbert is the only striker on our books who has managed to score regularly at any standard of men’s football since the turn of the year.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on May 14, 2021 8:06:20 GMT
Showed that illustration to my mate and I said it looks worrying... he said mate, it's mid may. You wouldn't look at cake mixture and say "the Queen is never gonna eat that"
Made me laugh and also get some perspective
UTG
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Post by Langford Gas on May 14, 2021 8:06:39 GMT
I’m ok with Leahy moving on because I just don’t think his defensive abilities are strong enough. But it did make me question again whether we can believe anything that comes out of JB’s mouth. It was only a week ago that he said Leahy’s new contract was 95% done: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-contract-negotiations-rumble-barton-5388626It seems clear now that was quite an over-statement of the facts. So why say it? This is just one example, but overall since he has joined us, JB’s communication and his behaviour really make me question his abilities as both a leader (someone who can motivate and set a vision and strategy which people want to follow) and a manager (someone who can coach and coax the very best out of people, given what they have to work with). I find it depressing, but I fear JB is lacking in both areas. A bit of context the quote in full "Joey Barton says a new contract for Bristol Rovers captain Luke Leahy is "95 per cent" done, but an agreement is yet to be reached" Clearly the club and player were unable to reach an agreement.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 14, 2021 8:09:08 GMT
A few negative comments about Ellis and his fee on here. Those who say he was not good enough for championship may or may not be right but he is certainly good enough for league 2 and i would have him back in a heart beat! Great positive influence in the dressing room ( and boy could we have done with that this season) and more than capable up front and defensively. Wonder what his position is at Pompey?
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Post by percy on May 14, 2021 8:10:35 GMT
So this is what we have right now guys: * indicates under negotiation View AttachmentThanks for this. Interesting. With a 3-4 to leave and a couple on loan, i can see a route to build a decent L2 squad here
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Post by percy on May 14, 2021 8:17:40 GMT
So this is what we have right now guys: * indicates under negotiation View AttachmentWith this I'd hope to see something like GK - add one experienced back up to Anssi. Assuming he stays RB - Possibly ok LB - 433 will need a more defensively minded LB. DT loan out CB - Ehmer and Baldmin to leave, min 1 experienced CB to play with Kilgour. Harries and Martinez as decent back up DM - Possibly ok. Liddle here to maybe? One more experienced DM with a youngster loaned out initially probably needed CM - One in One out on loan AM - Barrett to leave. One on loan. One experience AM in Striker - Youngsters (and maybe Hanlan) out on loan for experience. One old head, plus one more L2 proven
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Post by pirate on May 14, 2021 8:22:31 GMT
Showed that illustration to my mate and I said it looks worrying... he said mate, it's mid may. You wouldn't look at cake mixture and say "the Queen is never gonna eat that" Made me laugh and also get some perspective UTG Every single position needs strengthening IMHO. What an appalling list of players. In an ideal world would only keep 4 or 5 for the first team. What a mess.
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Post by stevek192 on May 14, 2021 8:28:11 GMT
goodnightirene1883, Seeing what we have at the moment` set out like that fills me with absolute horror at the extent of Bartons task. That is 26 players and includes 11 youngsters who in all honesty we either havent seen much of or what I have seen does not fill me with many confidence whatsoever that they will make it. Out of all the youngsters only Martinez has really shown that he has the ability to make it IMO. I have grave doubts that Hargreaves, Liddell,Mehew(hardly set the world alight on loan), Walker(Didnt appear to have a goal in him),Tomlinson(not getting a game for Torquay) or Phillips(Not even considered even when our strikers couldnt hit a barn door) will make it at any level above National League. Know very little about Jones (has he been setting Weston alight this season?),Hoote or Hulbert. Ward impressed last week but IMO nowadays you need a tall physical keeper. That brings me on to the 15 left which we have four of the worst centre halves in our history based on their performances THIS season and two full backs Williams and Tutonda who have hardly shown that they are good defensively.This leaves 3 attackers who have all proved that they can't score the goals we need. The midfielders Westbrooke,Barrett, Grant,Nicholson,Rodman have with the exception of Nicholson had very mixed seasons. From this I would say that somehow Joey has to find at least 8 good signings who can all start for the first game as very few players this season have really nailed down a place. I honestly think that there is the possibility that in a good side Westbroolke could shine and Ayunga and Hanlan could yet prove more than useful players and if Barrett can get through the first "Joey" test of coming back leaner and fitter he could yet be a good player. When it comes to the first game at this stage I can only see
Jaakkola
New FB New CB New CB New LB
Rodman New CM/Westbrooke Grant New LM
Nicholson
New Striker New Striker
Roll on June 9th where hopefully JB will come up with some gems!!!
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Post by percy on May 14, 2021 8:36:15 GMT
Re: CBs Kilgour is a good player, who had a poor season, but still showed what he can do against some of L1's best strikers. Partner him with the right CB and he will be a rock again next season and we will be complaining he is leaving for too little cash. Think Joey rates both Harries and Martinez, let's hope he and his coaches develop them into players but only required as cover here and there next season.
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Post by RD on May 14, 2021 8:48:09 GMT
It will be a credit to the remaining players if they don't just "do a Bennett".
They have been slagged off to all and sundry by Barton, week in, week out.
It's all good and well transfer listing the vast majority of the dross that's left, but is anyone stupid enough to want them? And, even if they are, what's to stop those that are transfer listed goin "nah, you're alright mate. After the way you've treated me I'll happily sit here and earn a fair wedge thanks.".
Very, very dangerous game he's played IMO.
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Post by alanrg on May 14, 2021 8:53:00 GMT
One thing that did surprise me regarding the released players was the length of Ali Koiki contract we dodged a bullet with his injury record
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Post by warehamgas on May 14, 2021 8:54:22 GMT
Hi Steve Yes I have no problem with him letting Leahy go. My comment was more around how his communication on Leahy (95% agreed and then he leaves) is just another example of what we’ve seen on JB’s leadership and management so far, which continues to worry me. I’ve worked with and observed a lot of people whom I think are great leaders and mangers, and who have got the best out of me, and I don’t see many of these traits in JB. But each to their own, and of course he did a decent job at Fleetwood. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong, and it may well be the case that these particular players will only respond to this type of leadership at this moment. If I am wrong, I promise that I won’t disappear! UTG Player gets offered a contract and says he will stay then changes his mind.... Shock horror that’s never happened to us before has it. Of course you’re right 1981 but you will also know that JBs communication style is such that when he said Leahy 95% done it obviously wasn't the case. I don’t care he’s not staying, hopefully we’ll have more goals in our forwards next season so we’re not dependent on our FB being the top scorer and we’ll have a FB who can defend better. But it is worrying that JBs understanding is that something is 95% done when it isn’t. So when he says he has 3 players more or less signed I hope that’s more accurate. Fingers crossed. 😉 UTG!
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Post by bluebiro on May 14, 2021 8:55:46 GMT
It will be a credit to the remaining players if they don't just "do a Bennett". They have been slagged off to all and sundry by Barton, week in, week out. It's all good and well transfer listing the vast majority of the dross that's left, but is anyone stupid enough to want them? And, even if they are, what's to stop those that are transfer listed goin "nah, you're alright mate. After the way you've treated me I'll happily sit here and earn a fair wedge thanks.". Very, very dangerous game he's played IMO. they didnt rise to the challenge of being molly coddled either. The majority of them are a pile of dung. If they had any pride they would ask to be transfer listed. What can you do with a squad that are so inept at football.
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Post by RD on May 14, 2021 8:56:58 GMT
It will be a credit to the remaining players if they don't just "do a Bennett". They have been slagged off to all and sundry by Barton, week in, week out. It's all good and well transfer listing the vast majority of the dross that's left, but is anyone stupid enough to want them? And, even if they are, what's to stop those that are transfer listed goin "nah, you're alright mate. After the way you've treated me I'll happily sit here and earn a fair wedge thanks.". Very, very dangerous game he's played IMO. they didnt rise to the challenge of being molly coddled either. The majority of them are a pile of dung. If they had any pride they would ask to be transfer listed. What can you do with a squad that are so inept at football. Well you can transfer list them without publicly castrating them first maybe? And FWIW, we picked up more points when they were being "molly coddled" so that argument doesn't stack up. Barton failed to motivate them and got less out of them than anybody - that's the reality.
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Post by alanrg on May 14, 2021 8:59:15 GMT
Talking about deals being 95 per cent done cast your mind back to last summer Ben Garner said the same thing about Ollie Clarke and look what happened there
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Post by Gaswood on May 14, 2021 9:00:27 GMT
Re: CBs Kilgour is a good player, who had a poor season, but still showed what he can do against some of L1's best strikers. Partner him with the right CB and he will be a rock again next season and we will be complaining he is leaving for too little cash. Think Joey rates both Harries and Martinez, let's hope he and his coaches develop them into players but only required as cover here and there next season. I’d agree with this FWIW. In our strong defensive period under Cogs we had Kilgour and Menayese either side of Tony Craig. I think Harries next year will be better than Rollin was last year. Therefore we just need a good experienced head to guide them - a new Tony Craig. If we are all honest, the vast majority of us thought we got that when Ehmer signed but he doesn’t look to be anywhere near what we thought we’d get. If it wasn’t for injuries then I’d have thought Tom Davies was already the right guy but can see why he was released with the issues he’s had. I liked Martinez this season, so think he can cover that midfield roll again but also an option at the back when cover required in his regular defensive position.
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