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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 15, 2021 21:00:36 GMT
Only just catching up with this. Yet another debacle with our mess of the club. Used to think highly of TG but it seems to me the club is constantly shooting itself in the foot.
If it’s a dispute with the SC then both parties should show a bit of maturity and put disputes behind them.
If the club really don’t want to do business with the SC then I’m sure they could arrange with the sellers to provide them direct.
Covid is a bullshit excuse to not have programme sales by sellers there’s far more riskier behaviour going on in the stadium than trading a match day programme.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 15, 2021 21:03:44 GMT
It sounds to me as though there are two sides to this story, it will be interesting to see what Tom G has to say to the volunteers. I am beginning to wonder if the SC hierarchy may have been somewhat disengenuous in their communication with the volunteers?
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Post by wider on Aug 15, 2021 21:44:47 GMT
There seems to have been a clash since Wael arrived. The simple answer might be that Wael thought he was buying the club - then found out the Supporters Club owned a substantial chunk of it and refused to sell. He has lessened their holding by capitalising the debt.
They hold this chunk of the club on behalf of all fans - or so they used to say. They have done fabulous things for the club over many years selling enormous numbers of tickets and doing the away travel. Sad to see them squeezed out instead of embraced but who knows? There are two sides to every story and currently we know neither for sure. UTG!
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Post by gregsy on Aug 15, 2021 21:46:59 GMT
There seems to have been a clash since Wael arrived. The simple answer might be that Wael thought he was buying the club - then found out the Supporters Club owned a substantial chunk of it and refused to sell. He has lessened their holding by capitalising the debt. They hold this chunk of the club on behalf of all fans - or so they used to say. They have done fabulous things for the club over many years selling enormous numbers of tickets and doing the away travel. Sad to see them squeezed out instead of embraced but who knows? There are two sides to every story and currently we know neither for sure. UTG! Pretty sure he would've looked at the shareholding / board allocation first....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 21:52:46 GMT
Rather sad looking at the SC website. No news, no communications, definitely no Jim's Jottings. Just a bit of info on coach travel and the following forlorn message: "We are no longer allowed to sell 50/50 tickets at the stadium on a match day and our online draw is our only means of holding our much loved 50/50 draw and of raising much needed funds for our Academy." I know the club and SC fell out over Ken and the role of the Fans Director, but I don't know how they have been brought to their knees. Surely it's up to the SC to speak up and tell their members what they think, rather than crawl into their shells and virtually stop functioning. It needs a new chairman, who wants that job though?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 21:54:59 GMT
OK there might not be much profit in programmes nowadays but it part of the football experience for many. Buy a programme and start reading before the game and at half time. We need some tradition even if it does not make money. Similarly the Supporters Club is part of our history and sad to see the 50/50 draw go along with the volunteers.
Getting a bit fed up with decision making at our club.
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Post by wider on Aug 15, 2021 22:37:05 GMT
There seems to have been a clash since Wael arrived. The simple answer might be that Wael thought he was buying the club - then found out the Supporters Club owned a substantial chunk of it and refused to sell. He has lessened their holding by capitalising the debt. They hold this chunk of the club on behalf of all fans - or so they used to say. They have done fabulous things for the club over many years selling enormous numbers of tickets and doing the away travel. Sad to see them squeezed out instead of embraced but who knows? There are two sides to every story and currently we know neither for sure. UTG! Pretty sure he would've looked at the shareholding / board allocation first.... The rumour at the time was things happened pretty quick (or we would have gone bust) and Wael paid £1 to take on the debt. His advisers would have been well aware of the SC shareholding but were they expecting the SC holding as well, or a contribution to the debt, perhaps? There seemed to be fallout from Day1 that was overlooked in the euphoria of the club being saved (rightly so IMO). UTG
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Post by mftc on Aug 16, 2021 8:04:08 GMT
The programme was so poor. We have a much larger media team than years go by but if there are few volunteers to contribute, it makes it look much worse. Another example of the FC not thinking of the fans. Quality and customer service badly lacking.
I went to the shop, who sold out by about 2, they said I needed to go to the bars
They club must have produced 500 less than usual for it to sell out? First league game of the season - bizzare decision.
Queued up in both and neither had any left. Asked a steward and a club employee with a lanyard - they did not have a Scooby. Luckily bumped into a SC rep, who advised they were being sold in the pasty huts. How many people were put off with the delays?
Why have volunteers selling, when the FC can organise this so badly (sic).And pay staff? - no business sense at all.
With regards to the SC, agree a AGM should be held as soon as the FC allow them. Would be great to have a new committee to move things forward but not so sure they will be allowed to be independent, or have free speech, as the current lot certainly have lost their tongues in the last few months. For some reason?
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2021 8:15:48 GMT
There seems to have been a clash since Wael arrived. The simple answer might be that Wael thought he was buying the club - then found out the Supporters Club owned a substantial chunk of it and refused to sell. He has lessened their holding by capitalising the debt. They hold this chunk of the club on behalf of all fans - or so they used to say. They have done fabulous things for the club over many years selling enormous numbers of tickets and doing the away travel. Sad to see them squeezed out instead of embraced but who knows? There are two sides to every story and currently we know neither for sure. UTG! If this is Wael's problem (which I'm sure it isn't) it's very easily solved. He can issue enough new shares to himself that the SC holding will be saturated to the point it becomes minute. In fact exactly this was the SC's new whinge when the debt was capitalised.
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2021 8:16:39 GMT
Pretty sure he would've looked at the shareholding / board allocation first.... The rumour at the time was things happened pretty quick (or we would have gone bust) and Wael paid £1 to take on the debt. His advisers would have been well aware of the SC shareholding but were they expecting the SC holding as well, or a contribution to the debt, perhaps? There seemed to be fallout from Day1 that was overlooked in the euphoria of the club being saved (rightly so IMO). UTG Rubbish.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 16, 2021 8:36:42 GMT
The programme was so poor. We have a much larger media team than years go by but if there are few volunteers to contribute, it makes it look much worse. Another example of the FC not thinking of the fans. Quality and customer service badly lacking. I went to the shop, who sold out by about 2, they said I needed to go to the bars They club must have produced 500 less than usual for it to sell out? First league game of the season - bizzare decision. Queued up in both and neither had any left. Asked a steward and a club employee with a lanyard - they did not have a Scooby. Luckily bumped into a SC rep, who advised they were being sold in the pasty huts. How many people were put off with the delays? Why have volunteers selling, when the FC can organise this so badly (sic).And pay staff? - no business sense at all. With regards to the SC, agree a AGM should be held as soon as the FC allow them. Would be great to have a new committee to move things forward but not so sure they will be allowed to be independent, or have free speech, as the current lot certainly have lost their tongues in the last few months. For some reason? The questions for The SC are, What do The Supporters Club want? What do they want to be? How can they achieve those 2 things?
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Post by keygas on Aug 16, 2021 10:11:58 GMT
Just read that the online 50/50 prize for the winner on Saturday was £45, now I stand to be corrected but didn’t a crowd of 7000+ generate a prize of around £900+ for the winner & a similar amount to be donated to the academy when tickets were sold on match days by volunteers. Is Wael so wealthy he’s not interested in any financial help for club anymore?
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Post by gregsy on Aug 16, 2021 10:25:12 GMT
Just read that the online 50/50 prize for the winner on Saturday was £45, now I stand to be corrected but didn’t a crowd of 7000+ generate a prize of around £900+ for the winner & a similar amount to be donated to the academy when tickets were sold on match days by volunteers. Is Wael so wealthy he’s not interested in any financial help for club anymore? I thought you must have made a mistake there dude.... But you're right 45 quid.... Thats so poor.... The article also contains this statement: "We are no longer allowed to sell 50/50 tickets at the stadium on a match day and our online draw is our only means of holding our much loved 50/50 draw and of raising much needed funds for our Academy"bristolroverssc.co.uk/45-for-stephanie/
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 16, 2021 10:49:14 GMT
From what I have been told by Tom in the past is that the FC has reached out to the SC on many occasions.
When Chris Gibson was appointed the FC reached out again for them to meet and discuss all things. The SC declined to do so instead sending a caveated offer back to the FC.
I believe the reason for the FC limiting the SC access to sell 50/50 tickets was because the club can now do so itself and collect the money itself ensuring it goes into all club activities rather than the money go into the SC account and then the SC distributing it, or not, as sometimes the case can be.
The SC only have themselves to blame for the current predicament it finds itself. A lot like the FC, poor communication, judgement and decision making has caused the majority of the problems.
As PeterParker has just asked, what exactly is it that the SC want? What exactly do the SC want to achieve? Because on the face of it, the only things they want to achieve is disharmony and disunity to the fanbase and trouble and aggravation to the owner and the board.
I’ve never known a “supporters club” of any organisation not support the club or organisation to which the have an affinity. It truly is bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 10:53:56 GMT
Just read that the online 50/50 prize for the winner on Saturday was £45, now I stand to be corrected but didn’t a crowd of 7000+ generate a prize of around £900+ for the winner & a similar amount to be donated to the academy when tickets were sold on match days by volunteers. Is Wael so wealthy he’s not interested in any financial help for club anymore? I thought you must have made a mistake there dude.... But you're right 45 quid.... Thats so poor.... The article also contains this statement: "We are no longer allowed to sell 50/50 tickets at the stadium on a match day and our online draw is our only means of holding our much loved 50/50 draw and of raising much needed funds for our Academy"bristolroverssc.co.uk/45-for-stephanie/Sadly the SC is run by a bunch of bitter old men, still moping about the Ken Masters situation. The club not long after his removal invited the SC to put forward another SC Director to sit in the board if my memory is not deceiving me. In fact if I remember correctly 81 on here applied to be considered for the role but was rejected, not only rejected but told he could never stand because of a post he put on this board. Not only that the AGM of the said club has still not been held and JC and his cronies are still in place and running an organisation that is sadly out of touch with the fanbase and stuck in the dark ages. Our owner who was heavily criticised by the old boys brigade at the top of the SC and he is going nowhere soon. The answer to that is for the SC to hold an AGM, reach out to its younger members and for its chairman and committee to stand down and let more forward looking members take full control. Until this happens, JC and his fellow dinosaurs will simply drag the SC down to a level where it is totally unimportant. Sadly in my opinion they have almost reached that point.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 16, 2021 10:55:06 GMT
Looked into getting involved many years ago, they seemed to be horrified of the idea of new blood in the ranks.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 16, 2021 11:52:59 GMT
The clubs admin and merchandising is a farce; you can currently buy a shabby programme on match days from the shop; although the shop has already sold out of the L and XL new away shirts, blaming, as per usual, the supplier.
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Post by bs10er on Aug 16, 2021 13:42:27 GMT
It sounds to me as though there are two sides to this story, it will be interesting to see what Tom G has to say to the volunteers. I am beginning to wonder if the SC hierarchy may have been somewhat disengenuous in their communication with the volunteers? Meeting tomorrow at training ground for volunteers.4pm.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 16, 2021 13:47:01 GMT
It sounds to me as though there are two sides to this story, it will be interesting to see what Tom G has to say to the volunteers. I am beginning to wonder if the SC hierarchy may have been somewhat disengenuous in their communication with the volunteers? Meeting tomorrow at training ground for volunteers.4pm. The Supporters Club are holding a meeting for prospective recruits at The Quarters?
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Post by peterparker on Aug 16, 2021 14:11:28 GMT
Meeting tomorrow at training ground for volunteers.4pm. The Supporters Club are holding a meeting for prospective recruits at The Quarters? I am assuming this was Tom reaching out to the volunteers as per a previous posting when he was contacted about what was happening
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