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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:38:41 GMT
Well if Joey himself hadn't told them how would they? The police aren't going to contact BRFC to let them know so unless they're trawling through upcoming court cases just incase Joey has been up to no good then I guess they found out when we did. Find it a bit alarming that Barton went all through pre season, all through his other trial, without telling anyone at the club that he was arrested for assault once more. If I was Rovers I’d be massively disappointed in him for that. Maybe he was hoping to get the charge dropped before it got to Court?
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Post by bluestone on Jul 27, 2021 15:38:53 GMT
As I said on the other thread I don't think it goes far enough in that it only refers to the (completely unnecessary to include, imho) victimless part of the statement as something that has been misinterpreted by us the great unwashed, rather than a mistake on their part. We have to break with Barton - guilty or not in this case, trouble and bad press follow him around Wael has provided an explanation and apology. For me, whether we break with Barton or not depends if he is innocent or guilty. You cannot just sack someone based on an allegation. The club were able to sack DC, BG and PT without needing to justify itself, if they wanted to part ways with JB then I'm sure they could, I'm no expert on football manager contacts but I expect their is a clause that allows either party to terminate the contract if they wish. There may be a cost associated with doing that of course but it's a decision that is open to the club I'm sure.
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Post by albowlly on Jul 27, 2021 15:39:35 GMT
"Furthermore, before we were aware of this issue we agreed last week to support a Domestic Violence campaign" They didn't know about the issue prior to last week? When the news broke on Sunday I touched on this. If Mr Wael had known within days of 2nd June it is highly unlikely he'd have allowed Barton to put together his hand picked backroom team or the playing squad. It would also have been of great assistance to any of us foolish enough to put a great deal of money on Bristol Rovers for the forthcoming season.
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Post by axegas on Jul 27, 2021 15:43:15 GMT
Find it a bit alarming that Barton went all through pre season, all through his other trial, without telling anyone at the club that he was arrested for assault once more. If I was Rovers I’d be massively disappointed in him for that. Maybe he was hoping to get the charge dropped before it got to Court? That’s a poor excuse at best. If you’ve been arrested for assault and it’s likely to impact your work, you tell your employer.
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Post by albowlly on Jul 27, 2021 15:45:48 GMT
Well if Joey himself hadn't told them how would they? The police aren't going to contact BRFC to let them know so unless they're trawling through upcoming court cases just incase Joey has been up to no good then I guess they found out when we did. Find it a bit alarming that Barton went all through pre season, all through his other trial, without telling anyone at the club that he was arrested for assault once more. If I was Rovers I’d be massively disappointed in him for that. Massively disappointed is a massive understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:46:08 GMT
Maybe he was hoping to get the charge dropped before it got to Court? That’s a poor excuse at best. If you’ve been arrested for assault and it’s likely to impact your work, you tell your employer. I'm not saying it was the correct thing for Barton to do - just offering a reason as to why he may not have told them immediately after the event.
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Post by percy on Jul 27, 2021 15:47:42 GMT
Whilst this is good from Wael and he is obviously a passionate Gashead, it has too many of the familiar weasel words. He and the club should be apologising UNRESERVEDLY for the statement (and the "victimless" bit in particular) not to "those offended". I imagine Refuge arent offended, just P?!sed off to see another high profile company and person peddling this nonsense.
Personally I would suspend awaiting the outcome, it will be toxic few months with away fans and a good percentage of home fans. Nothing to do with guilt, the accusation is enough to suspend awaiting outcome. That is Waels decision though.
Surprised JB apparently keeping it quiet for all these weeks whilst merrily spending the clubs money isnt enough to sack him tho.
What a mess
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Post by ineedgas on Jul 27, 2021 15:48:18 GMT
Well said Wael Innocent until proven guilty Pitty some of the self righteous idiots on this forum don't understand the law of this country
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Post by percy on Jul 27, 2021 15:50:41 GMT
Well said Wael Innocent until proven guilty Pitty some of the self righteous idiots on this forum don't understand the law of this country Pity you don't understand the difference between employment and criminal law. Most have send suspend, not sack. And no one has said lock him up without a trial. So try a bit harder.
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Post by keygas on Jul 27, 2021 15:54:17 GMT
I know not everyone will be happy with Waels statement but he is making it clear that if Barton is found guilty the club will yet again be looking for a new manager. Let’s hope in the meantime we can let the courts deal with his fate & get on with supporting our club which after the last 18 months need us more than ever,
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Post by aforce on Jul 27, 2021 15:54:24 GMT
Wael has provided an explanation and apology. For me, whether we break with Barton or not depends if he is innocent or guilty. You cannot just sack someone based on an allegation. The club were able to sack DC, BG and PT without needing to justify itself, if they wanted to part ways with JB then I'm sure they could, I'm no expert on football manager contacts but I expect their is a clause that allows either party to terminate the contract if they wish. There may be a cost associated with doing that of course but it's a decision that is open to the club I'm sure. If we wish to terminate joeys contract it will mean paying up in full, if he’s found guilty tho it will be no cost at all. I think Waels stance is correct let’s crack on with the season and let the courts sort this out and when we know we can act accordingly utg
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Post by surreygas4 on Jul 27, 2021 15:55:35 GMT
Well said Wael Innocent until proven guilty Pitty some of the self righteous idiots on this forum don't understand the law of this country very sorry if our moral compasses make us 'self righteous idiots'.
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Post by ineedgas on Jul 27, 2021 15:57:21 GMT
Well said Wael Innocent until proven guilty Pitty some of the self righteous idiots on this forum don't understand the law of this country Pity you don't understand the difference between employment and criminal law. Most have send suspend, not sack. And no one has said lock him up without a trial. So try a bit harder. Another self righteous fool
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:58:56 GMT
Well done Wael ....
Fully sense that JB is on borrowed time and only has himself to blame. I hope now he will be asked to stay away until the Court cases are finalised.
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 27, 2021 16:01:58 GMT
Any news on a Stadium. Would be most acceptable. Not interested in who is or isn't manager. We need a fecking Stadium. Get your ass in gear Mr Wael.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 27, 2021 16:03:36 GMT
Appreciate the clarification statement from Wael (although shame it's taken until 4pm to get it out) but I still firmly believe he should at the very least be suspending JB pending the outcome of the trial. His presence on the touchline and in the media from now until December is only going to fuel the fire and be an unnecessary distraction from the business on the pitch. what a great idea! So Barton’s got all his players in, but let’s make him stay away from them? We might as well sack him, and let a manager do his job!
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Post by yattongas on Jul 27, 2021 16:06:17 GMT
Reads like what some of us were trying to say . You can’t just sack someone before they’ve been found guilty however much you’d like to . It’s an awful situation but we’ve just gotta sit this one out until we get a verdict .
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 27, 2021 16:06:57 GMT
Whether you accept it or not there isn't an awful lot more he can say at this stage.
He's apologised for yesterdays statement, condemed any sort of violence and pointed out the work we're doing with numerous excellent initiatives.
I'm sure some won't like that he agrees with the principles of British law and innocent until proven guilty because based on that, I'd say JB will be here until December unless he resigns. He does say however, any individual found guilty of such offences will be dismissed immediately.
Looks like we'll have to wait until the trial for the next chapter in this story. Let's hope he's innocent, for the sake of his wife and BRFC.
There wont be many singing JB's B&W army from the terraces but I think Wael is right, we should get behind the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:09:01 GMT
"Furthermore, before we were aware of this issue we agreed last week to support a Domestic Violence campaign" They didn't know about the issue prior to last week? It seems to be the case. Knowing the CPS they probably did not decide to take it to court until last week. No reason for any employee to tell their employer what has gone on until the point they are being taken to court. Or do employers on here expect those who work for them to tell them the ins and outs of a gnats ass?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:09:47 GMT
Reads like what some of us were trying to say . You can’t just sack someone before they’ve been found guilty however much you’d like to . It’s an awful situation but we’ve just gotta sit this one out until we get a verdict . There are clauses in the club contract which allows for disciplinary action if the individual tarnishes the name of the club either on or off the field. If Joey Barton really did keep the domestic violence assault charge from the club then I think Wael will have solid grounds to trigger that clause. That said, I think and hope that Wael is possibly seeking council at the moment and more will unfold over the coming days.
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