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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 27, 2021 16:52:28 GMT
Wael is a top man
He is unfortunately surrounded by incompetent fools
Maybe this episode will remind him of the fact
However as the figurehead of the club he needs to be quicker and more decisive in his decision making
His letter has made me feel better
Maybe something positive will come from this mess
As a fan base I think we have stood mostly shoulder to shoulder condemning any form of abuse and I hope over time society becomes more tolerant and aware of these issues
Maybe Wael is just working out what options he is left with with the current crop of coaches to see if a natural replacement is already within the club. I won’t be surprised to see a suspension coming up pending the trials outcomes…. Personally I would have done that anyway but it’s not my money and to be fair to him it must grate when constantly paying off failed managers!!
Good luck Wael in getting this one right.
UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:52:52 GMT
Unlike others on here I know Gasheadblues is a very experienced and highly successful businessman and is fully aware of employment law unlike the vast majority on here. As an employer I know a fair bit about employment law too. You can suspend anyone on full pay, pending an investigation of any breaches of your contract of employment or for any allegation of misconduct. You can even say your investigation will be after any legal enquiries so you give the maximum amount of time possible. The person remains employed, bound by the terms and conditions of the contract of employment but cannot attend his place of work unless directed by his superior and accompanied by them. Good for you. I am fully aware of that as well! I know full well you own your own business, you have rammed that down all our throats on here for time and memorial. You know virtually nothing about me so don't patronise me about what I know. Unfortunately for you our owner has decided not to suspend him and that remains the club's position at the present time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:54:14 GMT
As an employer I know a fair bit about employment law too. You can suspend anyone on full pay, pending an investigation of any breaches of your contract of employment or for any allegation of misconduct. You can even say your investigation will be after any legal enquiries so you give the maximum amount of time possible. The person remains employed, bound by the terms and conditions of the contract of employment but cannot attend his place of work unless directed by his superior and accompanied by them. Regardless of what can be done under employment law, Wael is Barton's employer, and the decision rests with him. Joey Barton has assembled his own team, both on and off the field, maybe Wael thinks that it is best from a business aspect to allow him to continue the task he has started, as so much as been invested in it?. Maybe Wael thinks it will benefit the Barton family for Joey to be occupied by continuing his employment, until a legal verdict has been reached? Different people would do things in a different way - it's Wael's money at stake. Thank you Tilly, the voice of reason!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:56:29 GMT
Regardless of what can be done under employment law, Wael is Barton's employer, and the decision rests with him. Joey Barton has assembled his own team, both on and off the field, maybe Wael thinks that it is best from a business aspect to allow him to continue the task he has started, as so much as been invested in it?. Maybe Wael thinks it will benefit the Barton family for Joey to be occupied by continuing his employment, until a legal verdict has been reached? Different people would do things in a different way - it's Wael's money at stake. Thank you Tilly, the voice of reason! Apparently not!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:56:44 GMT
Where has the breach of contract occurred? Unless you have seen his contract you are not in a position to come to that conclusion. The man has not been found guilty and has had allegations made against him that have yet to be proved. Our owner has explained his and the club's position and you obviously disagree. Unfortunately for you he is our club's owner and you are just like the rest of us, a nobody. Ok, neither has your highly successful friend. Everybody is somebody you poor lost soul. You forgot to answer my question?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:00:07 GMT
Ok, neither has your highly successful friend. Everybody is somebody you poor lost soul. You forgot to answer my question? Breech of contract? That would be the small matter of dragging the clubs name through every national newspaper and news channel in a negative way. I would be highly surprised if Wael had removed that clause from the clubs standard contract which is attached to every personal contract.
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Post by 68 on Jul 27, 2021 17:05:17 GMT
As I said on the other thread I don't think it goes far enough in that it only refers to the (completely unnecessary to include, imho) victimless part of the statement as something that has been misinterpreted by us the great unwashed, rather than a mistake on their part. We have to break with Barton - guilty or not in this case, trouble and bad press follow him around Wael has provided an explanation and apology. For me, whether we break with Barton or not depends if he is innocent or guilty. You cannot just sack someone based on an allegation. You can if he has breached his contract by not advising them of the pending situation.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jul 27, 2021 17:26:30 GMT
As I said on the other thread I don't think it goes far enough in that it only refers to the (completely unnecessary to include, imho) victimless part of the statement as something that has been misinterpreted by us the great unwashed, rather than a mistake on their part. We have to break with Barton - guilty or not in this case, trouble and bad press follow him around Wael has provided an explanation and apology. For me, whether we break with Barton or not depends if he is innocent or guilty. You cannot just sack someone based on an allegation. Kev Of course it wouldn't be right to sack someone on a single allegation. I now believe though that the general climate that surrounds Barton with his history, the ongoing allegations, and his apparent inability to realise his responsibilities and avoid controversy means that BRFC, for the good of the club, needs to part company with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:31:50 GMT
You forgot to answer my question? Breech of contract? That would be the small matter of dragging the clubs name through every national newspaper and news channel in a negative way. I would be highly surprised if Wael had removed that clause from the clubs standard contract which is attached to every personal contract. I'm surprised a man with your experience in these matters spells the word breach as breech. I hope you never spelt it that way on one of the many contracts you drew up, because if you did you would be laughed out of court.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jul 27, 2021 17:42:50 GMT
Breech of contract? That would be the small matter of dragging the clubs name through every national newspaper and news channel in a negative way. I would be highly surprised if Wael had removed that clause from the clubs standard contract which is attached to every personal contract. I'm surprised a man with your experience in these matters spells the word breach as breech. I hope you never spelt it that way on one of the many contracts you drew up, because if you did you would be laughed out of court. ...perfect if you're going to fire someone
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:44:06 GMT
I know not everyone will be happy with Waels statement but he is making it clear that if Barton is found guilty the club will yet again be looking for a new manager. Let’s hope in the meantime we can let the courts deal with his fate & get on with supporting our club which after the last 18 months need us more than ever, You are right but I will find it a hard decision whether to go to the Mem whilst Barton represents, selects and coaches my team. Seeing him in the dugout will turn my stomach. Think it's best that I wait till the outcome of these court cases before going to the Mem. No point upsetting myself or others over this so I'll just stay away from the Mem for the present.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:56:42 GMT
Breech of contract? That would be the small matter of dragging the clubs name through every national newspaper and news channel in a negative way. I would be highly surprised if Wael had removed that clause from the clubs standard contract which is attached to every personal contract. I'm surprised a man with your experience in these matters spells the word breach as breech. I hope you never spelt it that way on one of the many contracts you drew up, because if you did you would be laughed out of court. Oh dear, is that the best you have. I will leave you in peace with your spellchecker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:59:17 GMT
I'm surprised a man with your experience in these matters spells the word breach as breech. I hope you never spelt it that way on one of the many contracts you drew up, because if you did you would be laughed out of court. Oh dear, is that the best you have. I will leave you in peace with your spellchecker. Don't need a spell checker for that word. You obviously do!
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Post by cj on Jul 27, 2021 18:04:22 GMT
Breech of contract? That would be the small matter of dragging the clubs name through every national newspaper and news channel in a negative way. I would be highly surprised if Wael had removed that clause from the clubs standard contract which is attached to every personal contract. I'm surprised a man with your experience in these matters spells the word breach as breech. I hope you never spelt it that way on one of the many contracts you drew up, because if you did you would be laughed out of court. Sigh.
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Post by cj on Jul 27, 2021 18:06:05 GMT
Oh dear, is that the best you have. I will leave you in peace with your spellchecker. Don't need a spell checker for that word. You obviously do! Stop trying to be a bully and grow up. Mocking someone's spelling mistake is just pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 18:14:55 GMT
Don't need a spell checker for that word. You obviously do! Stop trying to be a bully and grow up. Mocking someone's spelling mistake is just pathetic. Not a bully at all, first time I have ever pulled anyone up on a spelling mistake. Very ironic dont you think that someone who has drawn up loads of footballers/Managers contracts can't spell a word that is in all contracts. Strange how people don't appear to have a sense of humour anymore.
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Post by singupgas on Jul 27, 2021 18:26:17 GMT
Nice Letter from Wael, seems to have settled a few on this forum.
Joey Barton not yet found guilty.
Time to start concentrating on winning football matches, from next week we start playing for 3 points, we still need a decent striker through the door.
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Post by cj on Jul 27, 2021 18:26:20 GMT
Stop trying to be a bully and grow up. Mocking someone's spelling mistake is just pathetic. Not a bully at all, first time I have ever pulled anyone up on a spelling mistake. Very ironic dont you think that someone who has drawn up loads of footballers/Managers contracts can't spell a word that is in all contracts. Strange how people don't appear to have a sense of humour anymore. I don't care if it was your 1st or 50th time. It's pathetic and it makes you a bully because you are attacking that person. They could be dyslexic for example or just not good with spelling certain words. For their job, they could rely on spell checker for important documents. This is a football forum so who cares about spellings. You still understood the comment regardless. And it is not a case of having no sense of humour. You were not actually joking but instead ere mocking. Poor behaviour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 18:29:14 GMT
Not a bully at all, first time I have ever pulled anyone up on a spelling mistake. Very ironic dont you think that someone who has drawn up loads of footballers/Managers contracts can't spell a word that is in all contracts. Strange how people don't appear to have a sense of humour anymore. I don't care if it was your 1st or 50th time. It's pathetic and it makes you a bully because you are attacking that person. They could be dyslexic for example or just not good with spelling certain words. For their job, they could rely on spell checker for important documents. This is a football forum so who cares about spellings. You still understood the comment regardless. And it is not a case of having no sense of humour. You were not actually joking but instead ere mocking. Poor behaviour. Pathetic post!
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Post by cj on Jul 27, 2021 18:34:06 GMT
I don't care if it was your 1st or 50th time. It's pathetic and it makes you a bully because you are attacking that person. They could be dyslexic for example or just not good with spelling certain words. For their job, they could rely on spell checker for important documents. This is a football forum so who cares about spellings. You still understood the comment regardless. And it is not a case of having no sense of humour. You were not actually joking but instead ere mocking. Poor behaviour. Pathetic post! If posting a comment to stick up for someone (who you were trying to publicly embarrass) is a "pathetic post" then so be it. I'm not bothered in the slightest.
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