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Post by althepirate on Dec 8, 2014 14:23:17 GMT
Thats my opinion and it looks like DC's too. I would love Ellis to succeed, but at the moment for me he is not effective enough, its all about opinions and this board and you and I are obviously split on that. I love it when he plays and I really hope he can do it, but IMO he doesnt. I can't see that Gosling even deserves to be in the squad let alone taking a place from Ellis and certainly not in the starting line up ahead of him. I agree that Gosling was awful in the last home game against Welling, I hope Ellis makes it as I think he is one of the most talented in the team, but mental bloc? I dont know. I really do think he has had enough chances though. I found it really strange that Ward continued to play the lad when he had a massive problem hanging over his head and then once it was sorted he didnt pick him. One of the worst decisions Ward made was to say we didnt need a winger and he relied on Harrison and Santos. I think Ellis has had too much pressure on him one way and another, I think a loan move is long overdue to take that pressure off.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 8, 2014 14:24:06 GMT
Where is Dave Martin?
I don't think he's great but I'd have him over both Gosling and Harrison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 14:37:44 GMT
But we don't pick the team, the fact DC picked LDV when he was here suggests he wants to play a winger with pace, as much as we want to watch one. To be fair to DC he seems to be making the right decisions with regards to givng players a fair chance/moving on the likes of White, so perhaps there is more to this than just EH's ability? I assume EH will get his chance on Saturday, if so, it will be interesting to see how he performs. I bet he doesn't (get his chance I mean). I'm sure EH's attitude probably is poor. I know that if I had dug my boss out of a hole on four separate, critical occasions and he repaid me by treating me like a second class trainee my attitude would be firmly in the utterly p*ss poor, approaching dia-flipping-bolical region on the Attitude-o-meter. I think you may be closer to the truth than you think there LJG.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 14:54:24 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2014 15:26:40 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome. Have a snooze then
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 15:30:06 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome. I don't like that you've speculated that all speculation on here is purely speculative. If all discussion were limited to known facts this would be a pretty boring place to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 16:03:01 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome. I don't like that you've speculated that all speculation on here is purely speculative. If all discussion were limited to known facts this would be a pretty boring place to be. You have speculated that I have speculated with regard to speculation which is incorrect as I have stated and oppinion based on my belief. However you are right that discussion should not be limited to facts. I just think that discussing players prospects on here might be a little insensitive if the player being discussed were to view it .
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 16:21:24 GMT
I don't like that you've speculated that all speculation on here is purely speculative. If all discussion were limited to known facts this would be a pretty boring place to be. You have speculated that I have speculated with regard to speculation which is incorrect as I have stated and oppinion based on my belief. However you are right that discussion should not be limited to facts. I just think that discussing players prospects on here might be a little insensitive if the player being discussed were to view it . spec·u·la·tion (spky-lshn) n. 1. a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation. b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture. c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition. You have patently postulated that I had speculated on what has now conclusively been shown to be your own speculation about the speculative nature of other spectators' perceived perceptions. The discussion of discipline among deserving (or dissident as it may be) uncouth youths is part of a player's permanent pastime and blocking a b0ll0cking or propounding praise can not be guaranteed when we inhabit an island without inhibitions with open access to the world wide web.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 17:04:58 GMT
I'm speculating that Ellis is keeping his head down, maintaining a good attitude, and not throwing his toys out of the pram because DC is currently experimenting with some loan signings, which has pushed him out of the matchday squad at the moment.
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Post by yategas on Dec 8, 2014 17:20:52 GMT
I hope you mean keeping his head down. If not I hope he can! The last thing we need is a zombie apocalypse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 18:21:30 GMT
I hope you mean keeping his head down. If not I hope he can! The last thing we need is a zombie apocalypse. Well spotted - I've edited it, so that it makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 18:58:58 GMT
its a bit unfair to presume his attitude has been poor this season i think,,the best solution for all i believe is if he went on loan to someone like telford[we pay some of his wages] and gets regular football until the end of the season,,,that way we could find out if he can be an effective player at conference level
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 19:31:32 GMT
its a bit unfair to presume his attitude has been poor this season i think,,the best solution for all i believe is if he went on loan to someone like telford[we pay some of his wages] and gets regular football until the end of the season,,,that way we could find out if he can be an effective player at conference level Err ... aren't we hoping not to be playing conference football come the end of this season?
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Post by ganymede on Dec 8, 2014 21:35:46 GMT
I'm speculating that Ellis is keeping his head down, maintaining a good attitude, and not throwing his toys out of the pram because DC is currently experimenting with some loan signings, which has pushed him out of the matchday squad at the moment. Agreed ... he needs to keep his head down and chin up. Easy isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 23:33:17 GMT
its a bit unfair to presume his attitude has been poor this season i think,,the best solution for all i believe is if he went on loan to someone like telford[we pay some of his wages] and gets regular football until the end of the season,,,that way we could find out if he can be an effective player at conference level Err ... aren't we hoping not to be playing conference football come the end of this season? good point but i was thinking a loan to someone like telford would mean he would play every week and was more likely to happen than say a loan to newport etc
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Post by cheltenhamgas on Dec 8, 2014 23:48:34 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome. He can feature in the Welsh U21s but cannot get into a Conference side that cannot score goals !!! Is that not a bit odd !!!
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Dec 8, 2014 23:50:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 0:04:03 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Ellis is a talented young player and I would have liked to see more of him. That said DC decided on other options in recent games. That does not neccesarilly mean that Ellis does not have a future at rovers as some are speculating. Ellis may be content to wait for his chance and may be happy with the situation as he also features in the Welsh under 21 side. I don't believe anyone on here actually knows what the situation is regarding team selection or individuals and I find the constant speculation based on no firm evidence a bit tiresome. He can feature in the Welsh U21s but cannot get into a Conference side that cannot score goals !!! Is that not a bit odd !!! Didn't Wales U21's lose to San Marino U21's or am I imagining it? If so, then no. Not odd at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:43:50 GMT
Wales did indeed lose in San Marino, However they redeemed theirselfs by winning the return fixture in Wales 4-0 with Ellis Harrison scoring the opening goal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:47:03 GMT
Fancy that...
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