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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 10:07:52 GMT
I can't see why DC won't let Harrison do LDV's role since he's the most similar type of player. He's had some absolutely quality games on the wing at higher level than this let's not forget.
Unfortunately, as with Ollie, Pipe, Lines, O'Toole, Buckle, Jamie C to name but a few, it seems that Bristolians need to have a hate figure and Ellis is one of them currently. I'm sure that if he were to leave there would be threads started about his every shortcoming every few weeks.
From what I've seen of him over the past four(?) Five(?) years I see a young lad with talent who's very frustrated at not being given the chances others are given. And for anyone about to say "He's had his chances and lumbered around and wasted them" No. No he hasn't, at no point has he ever had a consistent run of league games playing up front, so no he hasn't had the same chances afforded to others at all.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 8, 2014 10:13:13 GMT
I can't see why DC won't let Harrison do LDV's role since he's the most similar type of player. He's had some absolutely quality games on the wing at higher level than this let's not forget. Unfortunately, as with Ollie, Pipe, Lines, O'Toole, Buckle, Jamie C to name but a few, it seems that Bristolians need to have a hate figure and Ellis is one of them currently. I'm sure that if he were to leave there would be threads started about his every shortcoming every few weeks. From what I've seen of him over the past four(?) Five(?) years I see a young lad with talent who's very frustrated at not being given the chances others are given. And for anyone about to say "He's had his chances and lumbered around and wasted them" No. No he hasn't, at no point has he ever had a consistent run of league games playing up front, so no he hasn't had the same chances afforded to others at all. I don't think Ellis is a hate figure. The only one I felt was quite often unfairly criticised out of the afformentioned is Chris Lines. God knows what you are trying to paint us as. In fact Pipe was loved here and only after he glassed someone then some fans did not like him understandably, he still somehow gets a hero's reception when we play against him though. Harrison is a promising player who fails to deliver. We can't afford to give him game after game just hoping he will come good. I think it will be best for all parties if we could loan him out for the rest of the season. Then hopefully he will come back a better player.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 10:23:19 GMT
I can't see why DC won't let Harrison do LDV's role since he's the most similar type of player. He's had some absolutely quality games on the wing at higher level than this let's not forget. Unfortunately, as with Ollie, Pipe, Lines, O'Toole, Buckle, Jamie C to name but a few, it seems that Bristolians need to have a hate figure and Ellis is one of them currently. I'm sure that if he were to leave there would be threads started about his every shortcoming every few weeks. From what I've seen of him over the past four(?) Five(?) years I see a young lad with talent who's very frustrated at not being given the chances others are given. And for anyone about to say "He's had his chances and lumbered around and wasted them" No. No he hasn't, at no point has he ever had a consistent run of league games playing up front, so no he hasn't had the same chances afforded to others at all. I don't think Ellis is a hate figure. The only one I felt was quite often unfairly criticised out of the afformentioned is Chris Lines. God knows what you are trying to paint us as. In fact Pipe was loved here and only after he glassed someone then some fans did not like him understandably, he still somehow gets a hero's reception when we play against him though. Harrison is a promising player who fails to deliver. We can't afford to give him game after game just hoping he will come good. I think it will be best for all parties if we could loan him out for the rest of the season. Then hopefully he will come back a better player. As unpopular as it may make me I don't think Buckle or O'Toole deserve quite half the vitriol they get. Pipe is more a figure of obsession for some rather than hate, you're right. The others all deserve to be remembered decently by us but many are determined to put paid to that. Keeping it on topic - Why do people keep saying Ellis hasn't delivered? Ellis has delivered. He's scored some outstanding goals, he's made some crucial assists: Let's not forget that DC owes his assist to Kaid against Port Vale last season to us not being relegated going into the final game. Also three times this season he's either scored or made an assist to get a last minute winner or equaliser against part-time teams who were making us to look fools. DC has shown Ellis no gratitude for keeping his head above water in the first third of this season.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 8, 2014 11:45:19 GMT
Morecambe Agree with everything else, though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2014 12:18:25 GMT
I don't think Ellis is a hate figure. The only one I felt was quite often unfairly criticised out of the afformentioned is Chris Lines. God knows what you are trying to paint us as. In fact Pipe was loved here and only after he glassed someone then some fans did not like him understandably, he still somehow gets a hero's reception when we play against him though. Harrison is a promising player who fails to deliver. We can't afford to give him game after game just hoping he will come good. I think it will be best for all parties if we could loan him out for the rest of the season. Then hopefully he will come back a better player. As unpopular as it may make me I don't think Buckle or O'Toole deserve quite half the vitriol they get. Pipe is more a figure of obsession for some rather than hate, you're right. The others all deserve to be remembered decently by us but many are determined to put paid to that. Keeping it on topic - Why do people keep saying Ellis hasn't delivered? Ellis has delivered. He's scored some outstanding goals, he's made some crucial assists: Let's not forget that DC owes his assist to Kaid against Port Vale last season to us not being relegated going into the final game. Also three times this season he's either scored or made an assist to get a last minute winner or equaliser against part-time teams who were making us to look fools. DC has shown Ellis no gratitude for keeping his head above water in the first third of this season. The problem we have is we don't know what goes on behind closed doors on the training ground, EH turning up for training, if so, does he arrive late, fool around or even turn up with an hangover etc? Not sure he does but it's odd how DC having given him a second chance in the summer now seems to have given up on him again. Surely a loan spell elsewhere would now suit all parties, assuming EH would accept a loan move? AS this is looking like Hunter MK2 and he's now not even playing regular football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:24:39 GMT
Tbone grow up. Harley is a decent poster on here. I was being polite. Nobody else had the decency to say goodbye.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 12:25:07 GMT
As unpopular as it may make me I don't think Buckle or O'Toole deserve quite half the vitriol they get. Pipe is more a figure of obsession for some rather than hate, you're right. The others all deserve to be remembered decently by us but many are determined to put paid to that. Keeping it on topic - Why do people keep saying Ellis hasn't delivered? Ellis has delivered. He's scored some outstanding goals, he's made some crucial assists: Let's not forget that DC owes his assist to Kaid against Port Vale last season to us not being relegated going into the final game. Also three times this season he's either scored or made an assist to get a last minute winner or equaliser against part-time teams who were making us to look fools. DC has shown Ellis no gratitude for keeping his head above water in the first third of this season. The problem we have is we don't know what goes on behind closed doors on the training ground, EH turning up for training, if so, does he arrive late, fool around or even turn up with an hangover etc? Not sure he does but it's odd how DC having given him a second chance in the summer now seems to have given up on him again. Surely a loan spell elsewhere would now suit all parties, assuming EH would accept a loan move? AS this is looking like Hunter MK2 and he's now not even playing regular football. Why send a penetrative player with pace away at a time when we're in need of a penetrative player with pace?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:43:50 GMT
i want/wanted harrison to do well but he hasnt mostly and i doubt he will...reckon he will be released at the end of the season but still hope im wrong about him He's still got another year left on his contract after this season. oh dear,thanks for that
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Post by althepirate on Dec 8, 2014 12:45:33 GMT
The problem we have is we don't know what goes on behind closed doors on the training ground, EH turning up for training, if so, does he arrive late, fool around or even turn up with an hangover etc? Not sure he does but it's odd how DC having given him a second chance in the summer now seems to have given up on him again. Surely a loan spell elsewhere would now suit all parties, assuming EH would accept a loan move? AS this is looking like Hunter MK2 and he's now not even playing regular football. Why send a penetrative player with pace away at a time when we're in need of a penetrative player with pace? Because he presumably is not impresed with him, like a lot of people on here including me. Some players never make it, but they show flashes of brilliance which will alway be rememered. Trouble is flashes arent enough.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 12:55:27 GMT
Why send a penetrative player with pace away at a time when we're in need of a penetrative player with pace? Because he presumably is not impresed with him, like a lot of people on here including me. Some players never make it, but they show flashes of brilliance which will alway be rememered. Trouble is flashes arent enough. So you'd rather see nothing consistently from Gosling and Sinclair (on the wing) than flashes from Harrison?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2014 13:18:59 GMT
But we don't pick the team, the fact DC picked LDV when he was here suggests he wants to play a winger with pace, as much as we want to watch one. To be fair to DC he seems to be making the right decisions with regards to givng players a fair chance/moving on the likes of White, so perhaps there is more to this than just EH's ability?
I assume EH will get his chance on Saturday, if so, it will be interesting to see how he performs.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 13:27:49 GMT
But we don't pick the team, the fact DC picked LDV when he was here suggests he wants to play a winger with pace, as much as we want to watch one. To be fair to DC he seems to be making the right decisions with regards to givng players a fair chance/moving on the likes of White, so perhaps there is more to this than just EH's ability? I assume EH will get his chance on Saturday, if so, it will be interesting to see how he performs. I bet he doesn't (get his chance I mean). I'm sure EH's attitude probably is poor. I know that if I had dug my boss out of a hole on four separate, critical occasions and he repaid me by treating me like a second class trainee my attitude would be firmly in the utterly p*ss poor, approaching dia-flipping-bolical region on the Attitude-o-meter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 13:40:57 GMT
I like Ellis and reckon hes going to be a great player. Thing is, he needs a run of games to get going like any striker really. We just aren't in a position to afford the risk if it doesn't pay off. Who can you justify dropping?
Playing him on the wing ain't the answer in the same way that Sinclair isn't a wing option either. That's the mistake countless managers have made previously with the likes of Richards, Clarkson etc. Playing them out of position just because you want to squeeze them in to a squad.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 8, 2014 13:53:40 GMT
I like Ellis and reckon hes going to be a great player. Thing is, he needs a run of games to get going like any striker really. We just aren't in a position to afford the risk if it doesn't pay off. Who can you justify dropping? Playing him on the wing ain't the answer in the same way that Sinclair isn't a wing option either. That's the mistake countless managers have made previously with the likes of Richards, Clarkson etc. Playing them out of position just because you want to squeeze them in to a squad. Agree Ras, Surely a loan move is the best option. I guess the trouble is that I doubt any club will be able to afford to pay anything near his wages.
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Post by althepirate on Dec 8, 2014 13:56:04 GMT
Because he presumably is not impresed with him, like a lot of people on here including me. Some players never make it, but they show flashes of brilliance which will alway be rememered. Trouble is flashes arent enough. So you'd rather see nothing consistently from Gosling and Sinclair (on the wing) than flashes from Harrison? Yes, because the flashes could be one game in six and if that was the case in comparison Gosling and Sinclair IMO would contribute more over six games.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 14:01:43 GMT
So you'd rather see nothing consistently from Gosling and Sinclair (on the wing) than flashes from Harrison? Yes, because the flashes could be one game in six and if that was the case in comparison Gosling and Sinclair IMO would contribute more over six games. Which six games were they then? Or are you still hoping?
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 14:04:10 GMT
I like Ellis and reckon hes going to be a great player. Thing is, he needs a run of games to get going like any striker really. We just aren't in a position to afford the risk if it doesn't pay off. Who can you justify dropping? Playing him on the wing ain't the answer in the same way that Sinclair isn't a wing option either. That's the mistake countless managers have made previously with the likes of Richards, Clarkson etc. Playing them out of position just because you want to squeeze them in to a squad. I don't think it's quite the same as Richards or Clarkson. He was very effective on the wing for a period and even referred to himself as a winger in interviews so I think Ellis does have more of a floating role.
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Post by althepirate on Dec 8, 2014 14:07:58 GMT
Yes, because the flashes could be one game in six and if that was the case in comparison Gosling and Sinclair IMO would contribute more over six games. Which six games were they then? Or are you still hoping? Thats my opinion and it looks like DC's too. I would love Ellis to succeed, but at the moment for me he is not effective enough, its all about opinions and this board and you and I are obviously split on that. I love it when he plays and I really hope he can do it, but IMO he doesnt.
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Post by LJG on Dec 8, 2014 14:12:33 GMT
Which six games were they then? Or are you still hoping? Thats my opinion and it looks like DC's too. I would love Ellis to succeed, but at the moment for me he is not effective enough, its all about opinions and this board and you and I are obviously split on that. I love it when he plays and I really hope he can do it, but IMO he doesnt. I can't see that Gosling even deserves to be in the squad let alone taking a place from Ellis and certainly not in the starting line up ahead of him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 8, 2014 14:19:52 GMT
Thats my opinion and it looks like DC's too. I would love Ellis to succeed, but at the moment for me he is not effective enough, its all about opinions and this board and you and I are obviously split on that. I love it when he plays and I really hope he can do it, but IMO he doesnt. I can't see that Gosling even deserves to be in the squad let alone taking a place from Ellis and certainly not in the starting line up ahead of him. I agree with this. I could imagine Gosling is getting picked over Harrison for his attitude. Gosling is a typical example of an ok footballer, decent bloke but lacks quality.
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