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Post by stevek192 on Aug 8, 2021 8:27:26 GMT
Surely the position we find ourselves in at the moment shows that our squad is still overall short of out and out strikers and I hope very much that we are keeping Hanlan and it is not a case of one in and one out. It also appears clear that we only have one real striker in Pitman with none of the others having an abundance of goals in them. I am not at all convinced with the one up top formation anyway.
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2021 9:01:29 GMT
Surely the position we find ourselves in at the moment shows that our squad is still overall short of out and out strikers and I hope very much that we are keeping Hanlan and it is not a case of one in and one out. It also appears clear that we only have one real striker in Pitman with none of the others having an abundance of goals in them. I am not at all convinced with the one up top formation anyway. Are you suggesting that our summer recruitment has been less than desirable? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2021 9:04:01 GMT
Surely the position we find ourselves in at the moment shows that our squad is still overall short of out and out strikers and I hope very much that we are keeping Hanlan and it is not a case of one in and one out. It also appears clear that we only have one real striker in Pitman with none of the others having an abundance of goals in them. I am not at all convinced with the one up top formation anyway. Are you suggesting that our summer recruitment has been less than desirable? No, it's just one striker short but we're lumbered with Hanlan until we can get him off the wage bill. You really need to stop trying to turn every thread into a Barton bashing one, it's boring for most of us. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2021 9:08:26 GMT
Are you suggesting that our summer recruitment has been less than desirable? No, it's just one striker short but we're lumbered with Hanlan until we can get him off the wage bill. You really need to stop trying to turn every thread into a Barton bashing one, it's boring for most of us. Who mentioned Barton? Steve suggests we are short of a striker so I asked him why he thought that, relative to our summer recruitment? Its a legit question in a post match conversation. Sorry if that bores you. |
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Post by milesy83 on Aug 8, 2021 9:23:14 GMT
I agree we do need another striker, preferably a tall one. I don't get why we lump it up to someone who Is half the size of the defender. I would like someone with a big physical presence up top who can hold the ball up.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 8, 2021 9:23:43 GMT
Seems at the moment we are having the same conversations re 'striker' as we have been these last goodness knows how many months/years!
One of the theories peddled during that time is that we do not create enough chances for the strikers , who ever they are, rather than individuals missing chances when they come our way?
If the problem is indeed the former then no amount of signings is going to make any difference is it?
On the flip side i suppose it can be said that you can't create chances if the strikers do not take up the right positions, i suppose its a gift to know where to go to as a striker and for a good striker it comes naturally.
Pitman is not going to enthral us with his all round action man game but will prob be tolerated because he knows where to run to ( or stand!) and can anticipate where the chance will fall, and when it comes he can finish.
Have not seen game yesterday but it seems we did not miss loads of chances but just did not create any.
I think with Pitman and Collins and even Hanlan in the side we will see much more threat , the former waiting around for that chance, the others finding space and creating opportunities for themselves and others, the sooner they are all back the better!
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2021 9:27:50 GMT
Seems at the moment we are having the same conversations re 'striker' as we have been these last goodness knows how many months/years! One of the theories peddled during that time is that we do not create enough chances for the strikers , who ever they are, rather than individuals missing chances when they come our way? If the problem is indeed the former then no amount of signings is going to make any difference is it? On the flip side i suppose it can be said that you can't create chances if the strikers do not take up the right positions, i suppose its a gift to know where to go to as a striker and for a good striker it comes naturally. Pitman is not going to enthral us with his all round action man game but will prob be tolerated because he knows where to run to ( or stand!) and can anticipate where the chance will fall, and when it comes he can finish. Have not seen game yesterday but it seems we did not miss loads of chances but just did not create any. I think with Pitman and Collins and even Hanlan in the side we will see much more threat , the former waiting around for that chance, the others finding space and creating opportunities for themselves and others, the sooner they are all back the better! If you are right then perhaps we can judge if indeed there is enough creativity in our midfield. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 8, 2021 9:30:28 GMT
In answer to Oldies question if all players were fit I still feel that we need another striker and I certainly wouldn't get rid of Hanlan who I think could have a good season in League two. I have never been a believer in the one up front either home or away and like to see partnerships forming up top. I think overall JB has done a good job with recruitment but the injury situation is a farce. Why on earth would anyone get rid of a striker ie Hanlan where it is abundantly clear that we need an additional one.
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Post by james246 on Aug 8, 2021 9:32:50 GMT
Wael says promotion is a must - we did not get off to a good start, though I feel we will get stronger as the season progresses, though I suspect we will only finish mid-table.
I do not feel that Pitman has the legs to do 90 mins game after game, so another striker would indeed be useful
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2021 9:35:35 GMT
Wael says promotion is a must - we did not get off to a good start, though I feel we will get stronger as the season progresses, though I suspect we will only finish mid-table. I do not feel that Pitman has the legs to do 90 mins game after game, so another striker would indeed be useful So James Do you think we have recruited to a plan? |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Aug 8, 2021 9:45:31 GMT
No, it's just one striker short but we're lumbered with Hanlan until we can get him off the wage bill. You really need to stop trying to turn every thread into a Barton bashing one, it's boring for most of us. Who mentioned Barton? Steve suggests we are short of a striker so I asked him why he thought that, relative to our summer recruitment? Its a legit question in a post match conversation. Sorry if that bores you. Yes it does bore me, there can be no serious debate with out you having a back handed dig. New season, new optimism even for old farts like me. Life is to short, but I'm sure you enjoy your grimace. |
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Post by james246 on Aug 8, 2021 9:51:56 GMT
Wael says promotion is a must - we did not get off to a good start, though I feel we will get stronger as the season progresses, though I suspect we will only finish mid-table. I do not feel that Pitman has the legs to do 90 mins game after game, so another striker would indeed be useful So James Do you think we have recruited to a plan? If promotion is the plan, then I am not convinced there are enough goals in the squad, so to answer your question - no.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 8, 2021 9:56:23 GMT
We may indeed be in need of an additional striker.
What I think is more relevant is how we play, set up and approach the final third with the ball.
All this 3 (or combo) up front rarely works in this or 3rd division. It usually conspires for our opponents, especially when we are away, to push forward their full backs which is natural and leave us just 1 up front because flank attackers are left stranded. If your 1 up front is of the calibre of JCH, then fair enough, but in reality he hasn't been replaced.
Yesterday, Saunders was up front on his own v 2 or 3 defenders, which included a massive number 6, and he easily mopped up everything pumped up to Saunders.
I would argue for an orthodox front 2. Yesterday, we had options of youth that weren't included in the squad. Why not include them if we are 3 strikers down? We also had Walker. He never even got a sniff.
I hope we get an additional striker in. I don't know if we will but if so am expecting to be massively underwhelmed.
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Post by pirate on Aug 8, 2021 10:19:33 GMT
Certainly need to add another striker. Hopefully that will be addressed ASAP.
Edit: Two experienced free agent strikers with different attributes that would potentially score goals at League Two level are Rudy Gestede and Sam Baldock. How realistic either of them are I'm not sure, but certainly worth making an approach and finding out.
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Post by dragonfly on Aug 8, 2021 11:27:37 GMT
The signing of a striker is imperative as Pitman's and Hanlan's injuries, for instance, could linger on like many did last season. With the vast amount of injured/unfit Players now onboard it would seem that we are in a dire position already and the Coutts situation has just compounded our plight. Barton should largely keep his mouth shut and focus on what he is paid to do. He seemed to delight in "the Joey Barton show" comment during his after match interview but as a distraction it is hurting our Team's stance with Referees, our Club and Supporters. Unfortunately since his arrival it has and continues to be all about him.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 8, 2021 11:50:08 GMT
Surely the position we find ourselves in at the moment shows that our squad is still overall short of out and out strikers and I hope very much that we are keeping Hanlan and it is not a case of one in and one out. It also appears clear that we only have one real striker in Pitman with none of the others having an abundance of goals in them. I am not at all convinced with the one up top formation anyway. Are you suggesting that our summer recruitment has been less than desirable? I think he is saying we need an extra striker; which I would imagine Joey is currently addressing before the window closes. Well lets hope so. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 8, 2021 11:58:03 GMT
Certainly need to add another striker. Hopefully that will be addressed ASAP. Edit: Two experienced free agent strikers with different attributes that would potentially score goals at League Two level are Rudy Gestede and Sam Baldock. How realistic either of them are I'm not sure, but certainly worth making an approach and finding out. Gestede is a great shout. Been playing for Melbourne in Oz, I’m not sure how that compares to leagues over here? L1 maybe. What money he would want is another matter. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2021 12:04:59 GMT
So James Do you think we have recruited to a plan? If promotion is the plan, then I am not convinced there are enough goals in the squad, so to answer your question - no.
Yes I suspect the same. Apart from Nicholson last season and Thomas this, sometimes it seems we scrabble around to get what we can get. Too much of the time what we get is not good enough to match our stated ambition. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 8, 2021 15:49:01 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2021 15:55:14 GMT
I’ve been saying for at least 18 months that unless we invest in a couple of decent forwards we’ll do nothing much of note .
Pitman is ok , but don’t think he’ll be fit enough to play more than 20 full games this season.
We’re def a striker short and unless we remedy this quickly we will be also rans.
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