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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 11, 2021 10:55:36 GMT
So following the interview last night and and as we know, there will be more departures. I can see these as; - Baldwin - Westbrook - Liddle - Hargreaves - Barrett Anyone else have any thoughts Need a Mem car boot sale to try and shift that lot
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2021 11:09:46 GMT
If they all go, won't that leave us awfully short, squad wise?
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Post by somersetgas27 on Aug 11, 2021 11:13:29 GMT
It is pretty clear and obvious that we are short of what will ultimately be our best starting 11. As stated above we are currently missing strikers, including Pitman, Hanlan and Collins, but I think we need a proven goal scorer to add to that list; Coutts is out currently (although his own fault), Nicholson surely will add to our efforts going forward but I think that maybe the key player to come back is Sam Finley. I have to say I know very little about him, but he might just be the attacking midfielder to link the defence to attack, to replace the ineffective Westbrooke. They will then need time to gel and get up to speed in terms of match fitness as Finley, Coutts and Nicholson have played very little, or no, football in pre-season. Patience will be required. Look at where Bolton where in December last season...
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 11, 2021 11:25:56 GMT
alanrg, Wouldn't call myself a great fan of Grant but if I did have to play him it would be at the back as for me he has no offensive skills whatsoever and I think he will be struggling for a place as I see a Coutts/Finley partnership.
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Post by lavalamp on Aug 11, 2021 11:26:43 GMT
So following the interview last night and and as we know, there will be more departures. I can see these as; - Baldwin - Westbrook - Liddle - Hargreaves - Barrett Anyone else have any thoughts My thought is why isn't Harries on this list? A wonder goal doesn't paper over the cracks of what a woeful defender he is.
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Post by alanrg on Aug 11, 2021 11:31:17 GMT
Thanks for that SteveK I thought was very telling no Hargreaves at Mansfield or Cheltenham last night not even in the squad I am pretty sure he would have gone at the end of last season but for the fact he had a year left on his contract god only knows why Garner gave him a 2 year contract I have never rated the guy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 11:36:36 GMT
I actually dont believe Hanlan is injured .... There I have said it.
My belief is we are trying desperately to offload him and need to ensure he doesnt get crocked!!
As for the others ... JB might as well have named Baldwin and Westbrooke in his after match chat ... probably Liddle as well.
Barrett should have gone long ago and hopefully his time is upon him ....Other under achievers like Hargreaves probably should go for their own good.
I am still stunned by Harries' goal on Saturday so maybe might give him a little longer.
Needs a front man urgently but not expecting anyone in until much closer to the window closing.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 11, 2021 11:39:57 GMT
I feel the same way over Hargreaves. Total waste of space who has only got to this level due to his father. For me we could lose Hargreaves, Tomlinson ,Mehew , Barratt, Liddle and Baldwin without any replacements and I wouldn't mind if we lost Westbrooke and Kilgour with better replacements which IMO would not be that difficult.
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 11, 2021 11:45:55 GMT
I feel the same way over Hargreaves. Total waste of space who has only got to this level due to his father. For me we could lose Hargreaves, Tomlinson ,Mehew , Barratt, Liddle and Baldwin without any replacements and I wouldn't mind if we lost Westbrooke and Kilgour with better replacements which IMO would not be that difficult. certainly seemed to help his career having a father at the club.nowhere near good enough to be a professional. Some of the youngsters let go to keep him on must feel so aggrieved he was kept on.
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2021 11:47:36 GMT
alanrg, Wouldn't call myself a great fan of Grant but if I did have to play him it would be at the back as for me he has no offensive skills whatsoever and I think he will be struggling for a place as I see a Coutts/Finley partnership. Problem with that is he's prone to being caught in posession, and if he's at the back that's trouble.
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Post by orgasmic on Aug 11, 2021 11:51:51 GMT
I feel the same way over Hargreaves. Total waste of space who has only got to this level due to his father. For me we could lose Hargreaves, Tomlinson ,Mehew , Barratt, Liddle and Baldwin without any replacements and I wouldn't mind if we lost Westbrooke and Kilgour with better replacements which IMO would not be that difficult. That’s quite an accusation to make. A decent young footballer who didn’t kick on as they hoped is probably more accurate. I’ve seen worse senior pros somehow make a living in the football league! Agree he isn’t good enough to warrant trying to keep though and if a move can be found then both parties should jump at the chance!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 11:52:26 GMT
So following the interview last night and and as we know, there will be more departures. I can see these as; - Baldwin - Westbrook - Liddle - Hargreaves - Barrett Anyone else have any thoughts I’d happily drive them all to Swindon this morning I also think Hanlan is in danger I’d not be losing any sleep and would be good business IF we could sign a very good right back and another proven goalscorer I don’t think there is any chance of Hanlan leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 11:56:09 GMT
alanrg, Wouldn't call myself a great fan of Grant but if I did have to play him it would be at the back as for me he has no offensive skills whatsoever and I think he will be struggling for a place as I see a Coutts/Finley partnership. He’s a defensive midfielder. He doesn’t need ‘offensive skills’. Would you have bombed Claude Makelele out of Chelsea or Nobby Stiles out of the 66 team?
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Post by 4d on Aug 11, 2021 12:01:29 GMT
Hanlan, Harries and Grant can all be decent league 2 players and with the right coaching are all young enough to keep Improving.
There is a player in Westbrooke somewhere but he’s in the last chance saloon.
Surprised how few have mentioned Kilgour just because he’s one of our own despite being as bad as any of the above Since the start of last season.
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Post by yaz on Aug 11, 2021 12:01:34 GMT
Westbrook reminds me of a person who is on the field of play but has a vacant demeanor as if the light is not on. The Players who are not wanted must know that and are not performing to an adequate standard, so as long as we have to depend on them we will continue to lose. Returning Players will need time to become match fit and what I find disturbing is the sheer number who are injured. It is around 10 with the addition of the suspended Coutts. They are training on a replica To the Mem pitch which is a fantastic surface so why all of these injuries which has put us at a massive disadvantage for the start of the season with little sign of meaningful change any time soon. I am sick of the never ending stream of defeats. hides too much and just doesnt seem switched on enough to play football. His strength is deadball but is now not even capable or entrusted enough to take those anymore. We play with 10 when he is on the pitch Are you kidding; his strength is deadball? I can’t remember a single goal in the league that was scored from one of his set pieces? And he probably took most of ours all season by a long stretch! Waste of space in the middle! On the other hand, McCormick was brilliant in midfield and scored for Wombles on Saturday from free kick? Far far better; shame we lost him!!!!! Our best player last season by a mile! I don’t see what our managers see in Westbrook!
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2021 12:04:09 GMT
Hanlan, Harries and Grant can all be decent league 2 players and with the right coaching are all young enough to keep Improving. There is a player in Westbrooke somewhere but he’s in the last chance saloon. Surprised how few have mentioned Kilgour just because he’s one of our own despite being as bad as any of the above Since the start of last season. Didn't we get all 3 of them because they were supposed to be decent league 1 players?
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Post by yaz on Aug 11, 2021 12:04:23 GMT
alanrg, Wouldn't call myself a great fan of Grant but if I did have to play him it would be at the back as for me he has no offensive skills whatsoever and I think he will be struggling for a place as I see a Coutts/Finley partnership. Agree Passes backwards too many times when going forward, so many simple 5 yard passes go askew, etc. Our centre backs are not good enough but Grant ….? Hmmm! Not really Hoole and Harries played well Mansfield so would not drop my H’s!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 12:04:28 GMT
If they all go, won't that leave us awfully short, squad wise? barton did say he wants bring in additions in key areas still so we would be offloading these players to get more in. hopefully ones who are half decent this time...
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Post by 4d on Aug 11, 2021 12:05:00 GMT
Thanks for that SteveK I thought was very telling no Hargreaves at Mansfield or Cheltenham last night not even in the squad I am pretty sure he would have gone at the end of last season but for the fact he had a year left on his contract god only knows why Garner gave him a 2 year contract I have never rated the guy He looked good at the end of the 19/20 season and seemed to have plenty of potential. One of a long list of players to show zero development under the coaching regime of the last year.
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Post by Quarters on Aug 11, 2021 12:11:18 GMT
alanrg, Wouldn't call myself a great fan of Grant but if I did have to play him it would be at the back as for me he has no offensive skills whatsoever and I think he will be struggling for a place as I see a Coutts/Finley partnership. He’s a defensive midfielder. He doesn’t need ‘offensive skills’. Would you have bombed Claude Makelele out of Chelsea or Nobby Stiles out of the 66 team? Some wanted to keep Ogogo, any offensive skills there? Coutts and Finlay, anyone seen them play together yet? Coutts cost us the game Saturday, should know better.
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