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Post by stigofthegas on Dec 9, 2014 11:29:29 GMT
Since the conference went to 24 teams in 06/07 the lowest pts acquired to win was Burton in 08/09 with 88, but that looks like an outlier, with the range of the rest of the winners all between 95pts and 105pts. 06/07 D&R 95pts 07/08 Aldershot 101pts 08/09 Burton 88pts 09/10 Stevenage 99pts 10/11 Crawley 105pts 11/12 Fleetwood 103pts 12/13 Mansfield 95pts 13/14 Luton 101pts Yes, this year may be an open year if Barnet have a bad run, but I think we're going to need 90pts at least. That's going to be really tough and we would need to win around two thirds of our games. With our current squad, I can't see it. We just don't score enough goals. Maybe if we go on a bit of a run now and strengthen in January with an out and out goal scorer such as Tubbs, then who knows. He popped in 37 goals in this league in Crawley's promotion season. At current rates, we'll be lucky to see one of our strikers hit double figures. I think its interesting how you look back at past leagues...the way I look at it, you don't need to beat the team that finishes first (if you're the best team), you just need to beat the team that finished second... 06/07 Oxford 81 07/08 Cambridge 86 08/09 Cambridge 86 09/10 Luton 88 10/11 AFC Wimbledon 90 11/12 Wrexham 98 12/13 Kidderminster 93 13/14 Cambridge 82 Suddenly seems more achievable? Good post SuperGas. That makes me feel a whole lot better. On course for play offs with an outside chance of top spot but only if Barnet blow it.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 9, 2014 14:15:35 GMT
It's going to get even worse once the bad weather starts kicking in/if it does. We've got some quite high profile teams away from home after Christmas with decent facilities (Grimsby, Gateshead, Halifax) so it shouldn't affect us too much, but there will be loads of teams with a ton of games in hand in about March/April I imagine. As long as we can get points on the board in those games mentioned above, I'd rather get the games out of the way. I remember we had a few games in hand last season, points on the board much better. Always better to have the points, of course. Winning those games would make a huge difference. And we do seem to do well against the better teams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 15:03:56 GMT
I have been surprised about how poor the quality of this league is. I think that we were fooled by a few marquee signings by Forest Green and Eastleigh when in reality Barnet and us aside its pretty awful.
We are where we need to be after all the transition which is in the play offs and i fully expect us to chase down Barnet now.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 9, 2014 15:32:26 GMT
So if its so bad Dinsdale how is that these "poor" teams have given our League such a good showing in the FA Cup. Its very easy to say its a poor league same as many were saying the same in League 2 and also League 1 bar a few teams but that is the same every year . I expect Luton were saying the same. It is even more difficult because teams in a way are paying us respect in the way they play against us. I expect the Gateshead game to be a good game because I think they will be a team who will not just park the bus. People who say we have to rely on Barnet imploding..its December not April. Teams will have ups and downs between now and the end of the season and Barnet are no different. If we strengthen well in January I like you Dinsdale think we will topple Barnet.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 9, 2014 17:00:54 GMT
So if its so bad Dinsdale how is that these "poor" teams have given our League such a good showing in the FA Cup. Its very easy to say its a poor league same as many were saying the same in League 2 and also League 1 bar a few teams but that is the same every year . I expect Luton were saying the same. It is even more difficult because teams in a way are paying us respect in the way they play against us. I expect the Gateshead game to be a good game because I think they will be a team who will not just park the bus. People who say we have to rely on Barnet imploding..its December not April. Teams will have ups and downs between now and the end of the season and Barnet are no different. If we strengthen well in January I like you Dinsdale think we will topple Barnet. How often do you see teams step it up for one game in the cup though? Telford are sh**, Dover aren't much better. Neither would survive in League 2. When we came down we were told that there isn't much difference between top of Conference and bottom of L2 but to me there's a huge gulf in ability.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:10:18 GMT
Expectations eh? That word has been surrounding us the last few years and it has no benefits imo.
The higher the expectations the more disappointments and sadness if they are not met. The lower the expectations can produce a happier atmosphere, but a sadness that we had to lower them in the first place.
I am yet to see how "Expectations" are any good to anyone no matter how low or high they are.
Personally, Expectations are for the future tense, i think we should all concern ourselves with the here and now and try to be our best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:11:20 GMT
So if its so bad Dinsdale how is that these "poor" teams have given our League such a good showing in the FA Cup. Its very easy to say its a poor league same as many were saying the same in League 2 and also League 1 bar a few teams but that is the same every year . I expect Luton were saying the same. It is even more difficult because teams in a way are paying us respect in the way they play against us. I expect the Gateshead game to be a good game because I think they will be a team who will not just park the bus. People who say we have to rely on Barnet imploding..its December not April. Teams will have ups and downs between now and the end of the season and Barnet are no different. If we strengthen well in January I like you Dinsdale think we will topple Barnet. This league is poorer then i expected (supported by viewS of local sports writers) the fa cup is a one off. I think we should expect success not make excuses for failure. Lets treat every team we play with respect and prepare fully but lets not feel ashamed to say we are Bristol Rovers we are going for the title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:13:22 GMT
So if its so bad Dinsdale how is that these "poor" teams have given our League such a good showing in the FA Cup. Its very easy to say its a poor league same as many were saying the same in League 2 and also League 1 bar a few teams but that is the same every year . I expect Luton were saying the same. It is even more difficult because teams in a way are paying us respect in the way they play against us. I expect the Gateshead game to be a good game because I think they will be a team who will not just park the bus. People who say we have to rely on Barnet imploding..its December not April. Teams will have ups and downs between now and the end of the season and Barnet are no different. If we strengthen well in January I like you Dinsdale think we will topple Barnet. How often do you see teams step it up for one game in the cup though? Telford are poo, Dover aren't much better. Neither would survive in League 2. When we came down we were told that there isn't much difference between top of Conference and bottom of L2 but to me there's a huge gulf in ability. Agree totally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:16:12 GMT
I think when people discredit the standard of this league they're putting on their rose tinted specs, and remembering all of the champagne football we witnessed in league 2....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:18:58 GMT
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 9, 2014 18:14:29 GMT
Since the conference went to 24 teams in 06/07 the lowest pts acquired to win was Burton in 08/09 with 88, but that looks like an outlier, with the range of the rest of the winners all between 95pts and 105pts. 06/07 D&R 95pts 07/08 Aldershot 101pts 08/09 Burton 88pts 09/10 Stevenage 99pts 10/11 Crawley 105pts 11/12 Fleetwood 103pts 12/13 Mansfield 95pts 13/14 Luton 101pts Yes, this year may be an open year if Barnet have a bad run, but I think we're going to need 90pts at least. That's going to be really tough and we would need to win around two thirds of our games. With our current squad, I can't see it. We just don't score enough goals. Maybe if we go on a bit of a run now and strengthen in January with an out and out goal scorer such as Tubbs, then who knows. He popped in 37 goals in this league in Crawley's promotion season. At current rates, we'll be lucky to see one of our strikers hit double figures. I think its interesting how you look back at past leagues...the way I look at it, you don't need to beat the team that finishes first (if you're the best team), you just need to beat the team that finished second... 06/07 Oxford 81 07/08 Cambridge 86 08/09 Cambridge 86 09/10 Luton 88 10/11 AFC Wimbledon 90 11/12 Wrexham 98 12/13 Kidderminster 93 13/14 Cambridge 82 Suddenly seems more achievable? Exactly - well said !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:49:07 GMT
Expectations eh? That word has been surrounding us the last few years and it has no benefits imo. The higher the expectations the more disappointments and sadness if they are not met. The lower the expectations can produce a happier atmosphere, but a sadness that we had to lower them in the first place. I am yet to see how "Expectations" are any good to anyone no matter how low or high they are. Personally, Expectations are for the future tense, i think we should all concern ourselves with the here and now and try to be our best. Expectations are great.
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Post by spiess1 on Dec 9, 2014 19:00:31 GMT
What the dickens are you on about?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Dec 9, 2014 19:15:13 GMT
I think its interesting how you look back at past leagues...the way I look at it, you don't need to beat the team that finishes first (if you're the best team), you just need to beat the team that finished second... 06/07 Oxford 81 07/08 Cambridge 86 08/09 Cambridge 86 09/10 Luton 88 10/11 AFC Wimbledon 90 11/12 Wrexham 98 12/13 Kidderminster 93 13/14 Cambridge 82 Suddenly seems more achievable? Exactly - well said !! Sure, I see where you're coming from there Supergas. Have to presume that some points have been taken from these clubs by the league leaders, who in most years won by a big margin, but of course it's possible we'll not need the points haul some winners have amassed in recent years. If Barnet lose their form, then we are right there in the mix at this stage. Can't help thinking that a good haul is needed from the festive period, where we have four very big matches against rivals which could have a big effect on the promotion shake up.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 9, 2014 19:34:12 GMT
Problem is without LDV getting a big haul over Christmas will be a challenge, particularly the away games.
As far as SteveK referring to FA Cup games using his logic then teams like Dover would have no problems surviving in the league but we all know that's not the case. plus whilst we are second in the Conference we managed to lose to Tranmere who where 91st and had won for weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 19:37:30 GMT
I think the league is generally quite poor, but anyone can beat anyone 'on their day'. Telford have one or two scalps this season, Alfreton the same, Southport etc.
We've been quite poor too though, predominantly though it's because we're wasteful in front of goal. Still think there's a lot to come from us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 20:21:40 GMT
when it comes to Bristol Rovers.. expect the unexpected
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 21:17:36 GMT
when it comes to Bristol Rovers.. expect the unexpected thats one way of putting it
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Post by supergas on Dec 10, 2014 9:26:50 GMT
I think its interesting how you look back at past leagues...the way I look at it, you don't need to beat the team that finishes first (if you're the best team), you just need to beat the team that finished second... 06/07 Oxford 81 07/08 Cambridge 86 08/09 Cambridge 86 09/10 Luton 88 10/11 AFC Wimbledon 90 11/12 Wrexham 98 12/13 Kidderminster 93 13/14 Cambridge 82 Suddenly seems more achievable? Wrexham not going up with 98 points must have been a killer! P.S I could imagine our Rich looking at it this way as well....you never see us in the same room together... Sure, I see where you're coming from there Supergas. Have to presume that some points have been taken from these clubs by the league leaders, who in most years won by a big margin, but of course it's possible we'll not need the points haul some winners have amassed in recent years. If Barnet lose their form, then we are right there in the mix at this stage. Can't help thinking that a good haul is needed from the festive period, where we have four very big matches against rivals which could have a big effect on the promotion shake up. Well, in fairness Altrincham, Braintree, Dover, Aldershot, Alfreton, Chester and Welling have all taken points of us , and that's just going though the results from teams who are currently in the bottom half of the table - whether we're targeting first or fifth, the big boys will have to take a place in the queue to deprive us of the three points on any given Saturday from now on... I agree we need a massive set of results over the festive period, if only because it means it will be easier to get quality players loaned/signed come January...there are still large gaping holes in the squad, and it'll be harder to fix them with new players if we can't at least paper over them on the pitch over the next few weeks...
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 10, 2014 10:27:28 GMT
Expectations eh? That word has been surrounding us the last few years and it has no benefits imo. The higher the expectations the more disappointments and sadness if they are not met. The lower the expectations can produce a happier atmosphere, but a sadness that we had to lower them in the first place. I am yet to see how "Expectations" are any good to anyone no matter how low or high they are. Personally, Expectations are for the future tense, i think we should all concern ourselves with the here and now and try to be our best. I once met an Aeroflot pilot (classic Stereotypical old Russian guy; fat, red nosed, busht eyebrows, uniform 3 sizes too small) and he said the Aeroflot motto was "The more you plan the more can go wrong". I think expectations are similar.
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