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Post by fanatical on Sept 12, 2021 14:59:26 GMT
When are our supporters going to learn that there comes a time where you have to stick with what we have? It seems now that any defeat starts a certain group off and all it provides is criticism of the players we have with no regard whatsoever for the opponents or the actual performance. Yesterday is a fine example of this with criticisms of for example the defenders when we restricted a team with 100% home record to a handful of chances and yet there is criticism of three of the four defenders when our keeper has only had to make one difficult save in 95 minutes and the only goal conceded was due entirely to a mistake by Saunders, In my book none of the defenders deserved less than a six and the defending was far better than that in the win over Crawley! The sign of a team that has not gelled is where individuals look reasonable but together they are not producing enough and I feel that is the position we are in at present. Personally I would totally scrap the ideal of playing one up front because we don't have enough goals in the team to back up the lone striker, We have tried this all season and it just isn't working. Sadly our supporters have reached the stage IMO where they are driving players away from the club and the most evidence of this was in Hanlon who could have been a handful this season especially alongside a Clarke or a Pitman. I feel there are signs that we do have some good players who are all more than capable of playing at League 2 at the least and most at League 1 level. I actually thought that Whelan looked very disciplined and composed in the first half yesterday and Finley and Evans both had a good first half too. Anderson has shown signs of being a good winger and Nicholson is obviously class. I also thought Brown when he came on looked a useful player. For me the only disappointments individually so far have been Coutts, Rodman, Collins, Thomas and Saunders and this IMO has been the big problem because three of those four are strikers. I do actually think they all have ability and we really need them to start to show their true ability and I amn sure things will improve. We have to decide who we are going to play up front and give them a chance to from a partnership and the same goes for the wide and midfield positions. Personally I would go for Nicholson to play upfront with Pitman and then a midfield 4 of Evans, Finley, Whelan and Anderson or Thomas. This team should be more than capable of playing top0 end League 2 but if we keep changing it everyweek it will never gel. Belshaw Grant Taylor Hughes Brown Anderson or Thomas, Whelan, Finley,Evans Pitman, Nicholson. Over many years I have found very little with which to take task with the views of Stevek192, in fact so much more to agree with than otherwise. This piece, however challenges me in many ways. Firstly, I must admit that due to illness I was not at the match, so please forgive any errors. And for obvious reasons I cannot criticize nor praise certain players.( not that that is my way) The missing Hartlepool striker was no doubt a big problem for them and gave Rovers an advantage which we appear to have missed. I do not understand the rush to blame long suffering Gas supporters for everything it seems when in reality the 'GAS' must be among the longest suffering supporters in the UK, if not the World.
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2021 15:02:05 GMT
Our ground is a bit of a laughing stock in the 21st century for a professional outfit in the 7th biggest city in England and I've heard disparaging remarks about having 3 managers in a season, resulting in us getting relegated from League One in last place with club record amount of games without scoring and club record home defeats. Embarrassing comments from the club in statements following the latest legal case involving our manager and of course many people think it's a joke to have a character like Joey Barton as manager, but the fans a laughing stock? I'd suggest the opposite is true.
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2021 15:13:52 GMT
What a ridiculous thread from someone with an over inflated sense of his own importance and intolerance of any dissenting views. The supporters of this club are most definitely NOT becoming a laughing stock. If anything they are probably admired for continuing to support a group of players and manager who certainly are becoming a laughing stock. This is Stick With Barton logic taken to the max. In fact it's a little creepy, along with Steve's other views. Anywho disagrees is a laughing stock, disloyal and also causing the players to lose games because their disloyalty is preventing the team from gelling!? Bizarre thinking. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 15:16:18 GMT
Another one of the many reasons I've stopped going. Atmosphere at the club stinks and it's just not worth the hassle. It's supposed to be enjoyable.
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2021 15:28:32 GMT
Another one of the many reasons I've stopped going. Atmosphere at the club stinks and it's just not worth the hassle. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Depends what you want from a Saturday afternoon. Meet up with Friends, Family, few beers, few moans, few rumours, bit of a laugh, or want us to play like Real Madrid all afternoon and leave disappointed.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 15:32:58 GMT
The fans that travelled to Barrow and to Hartlepool should be knighted!!! Why? Nobody forced them to go, perhaps if they boycotted a match or two the players/club might then wake up to the fact we've had enough of the poor performances?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 15:34:01 GMT
Another one of the many reasons I've stopped going. Atmosphere at the club stinks and it's just not worth the hassle. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Last Saturday was pretty enjoyable at the Mem, I'm not sure watching Bath City would match that for many of us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 15:40:21 GMT
Steve, Hanlan (just how hard is it to spell his name correctly?) hardly played in front of the Mem crowd so how could we drive him a away?
Given he didn't ask for a transfer I assume he pocketed the usual 10% of his transfer fee &/or a decent signing on fee plus got a pay rise back to a L1 salary/bonus, was he really going to turn that down if we begged him to stay, JCH clearly didn't under similar circumstances.
JB's built a squad around playing just 1 upfront, so I can't see that changing unless he leaves.
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 12, 2021 15:40:58 GMT
Another one of the many reasons I've stopped going. Atmosphere at the club stinks and it's just not worth the hassle. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Last Saturday was pretty enjoyable at the Mem, I'm not sure watching Bath City would match that for many of us. The only thing enjoyable last Saturday was the three points. The game was awful and the better team lost who were also missing two or three key players. A trip to the dentist is currently more exciting than watching us.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 12, 2021 15:43:15 GMT
We became a laughing stock the day groaner was appointed to destroy the club.will take 5years to get us back to the day before that clown walked through the door in dec 2019.
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2021 15:43:44 GMT
The fans that travelled to Barrow and to Hartlepool should be knighted!!! Why? Nobody forced them to go, perhaps if they boycotted a match or two the players/club might then wake up to the fact we've had enough of the poor performances? I've got more commitment to this club than you. No way will I turn my back on them. Ever.
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Post by Strange Gas on Sept 12, 2021 16:16:12 GMT
"Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock" Goes perfectly well with what has been served to them for the past 20 months or so by the managers and players. On the 21st December 2019, we drew with Peterborough and sat 2nd in L1. Since then, we have... Played 67 league games. Won 13. Drew 13. Lost 41. Scored 52. Conceded 104. Won 52 points from a possible 201 points available and have the goal difference of -52. We have dropped from 2nd in L1 to 21st in L2. Was 46th out of the 92 league teams but now 89th of 92. We have got new club records for the wrong reasons such has games without goals and games lost and lack of points won. We haven't won in our last 19 away games. Our current managers league stats are P25 W5 D3 L17 18 points from a possible 75 points. But apparently, it's our supporters who are becoming a laughing stock. Great and terrifying post. We are quite simply on a one way train to oblivion based on these stats. Literally in long ish term free fall. Even my low end expectation of 46 points and scraping L2 survival is optimistic based on this. I think all fans should be rightly worried until we see a sustained improvement in results. How can that make us a laughing stock?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 12, 2021 16:38:50 GMT
The fans that travelled to Barrow and to Hartlepool should be knighted!!! Why? Nobody forced them to go, perhaps if they boycotted a match or two the players/club might then wake up to the fact we've had enough of the poor performances? Exactly, no one forced them to go , they go to show there support for the club regardless of current fortunes, they willing travel to such far flung places because they are supporters, some folk do not seem to understand that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 16:40:19 GMT
Why? Nobody forced them to go, perhaps if they boycotted a match or two the players/club might then wake up to the fact we've had enough of the poor performances? I've got more commitment to this club than you. No way will I turn my back on them. Ever. Strange comments when I wasn't questioning any fans commitment. The fact we all still care shows we're all committed fans.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2021 16:42:41 GMT
"Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock" Goes perfectly well with what has been served to them for the past 20 months or so by the managers and players. On the 21st December 2019, we drew with Peterborough and sat 2nd in L1. Since then, we have... Played 67 league games. Won 13. Drew 13. Lost 41. Scored 52. Conceded 104. Won 52 points from a possible 201 points available and have the goal difference of -52. We have dropped from 2nd in L1 to 21st in L2. Was 46th out of the 92 league teams but now 89th of 92. We have got new club records for the wrong reasons such has games without goals and games lost and lack of points won. We haven't won in our last 19 away games. Our current managers league stats are P25 W5 D3 L17 18 points from a possible 75 points. But apparently, it's our supporters who are becoming a laughing stock. What’s the commonality here? Starnes Widdrington (still on the books) I used to rate Tom Gorringe but commercial matters have looked a bit suspect with bringing on TicketMaster recently. Whilst the club isn’t at fault, the whole situation was managed diabolically. I love Wael and appreciate everything he does for the club so it pains me to include him. However he needs decent back up at board level. Starnes was everywhere 12-18 months ago claiming all he was doing to help Wael save money but where is he now? A relegation and three managers and two reboots in 12 months can’t have been cheap.
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Post by gruad on Sept 12, 2021 16:47:53 GMT
Rovers till I die.
End of Story.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 16:56:58 GMT
"Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock" Goes perfectly well with what has been served to them for the past 20 months or so by the managers and players. On the 21st December 2019, we drew with Peterborough and sat 2nd in L1. Since then, we have... Played 67 league games. Won 13. Drew 13. Lost 41. Scored 52. Conceded 104. Won 52 points from a possible 201 points available and have the goal difference of -52. We have dropped from 2nd in L1 to 21st in L2. Was 46th out of the 92 league teams but now 89th of 92. We have got new club records for the wrong reasons such has games without goals and games lost and lack of points won. We haven't won in our last 19 away games. Our current managers league stats are P25 W5 D3 L17 18 points from a possible 75 points. But apparently, it's our supporters who are becoming a laughing stock. What’s the commonality here? Starnes Widdrington (still on the books) I used to rate Tom Gorringe but commercial matters have looked a bit suspect with bringing on TicketMaster recently. Whilst the club isn’t at fault, the whole situation was managed diabolically. I love Wael and appreciate everything he does for the club so it pains me to include him. However he needs decent back up at board level. Starnes was everywhere 12-18 months ago claiming all he was doing to help Wael save money but where is he now? A relegation and three managers and two reboots in 12 months can’t have been cheap. Hasn't he brought in Colin Gibson to assist him at BoD level?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2021 17:02:55 GMT
What’s the commonality here? Starnes Widdrington (still on the books) I used to rate Tom Gorringe but commercial matters have looked a bit suspect with bringing on TicketMaster recently. Whilst the club isn’t at fault, the whole situation was managed diabolically. I love Wael and appreciate everything he does for the club so it pains me to include him. However he needs decent back up at board level. Starnes was everywhere 12-18 months ago claiming all he was doing to help Wael save money but where is he now? A relegation and three managers and two reboots in 12 months can’t have been cheap. Hasn't he brought in Colin Gibson to assist him at BoD level? He has. So why have we still got Starnes & Widdrington? If they’re still here (and I don’t actually believe TW is still actually with us) what are they doing? And by that - I mean what are they actually bringing to the table other than being a figurehead? When was the last time we heard from Martyn Starnes?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 12, 2021 17:07:32 GMT
"Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock" Goes perfectly well with what has been served to them for the past 20 months or so by the managers and players. On the 21st December 2019, we drew with Peterborough and sat 2nd in L1. Since then, we have... Played 67 league games. Won 13. Drew 13. Lost 41. Scored 52. Conceded 104. Won 52 points from a possible 201 points available and have the goal difference of -52. We have dropped from 2nd in L1 to 21st in L2. Was 46th out of the 92 league teams but now 89th of 92. We have got new club records for the wrong reasons such has games without goals and games lost and lack of points won. We haven't won in our last 19 away games. Our current managers league stats are P25 W5 D3 L17 18 points from a possible 75 points. But apparently, it's our supporters who are becoming a laughing stock. What’s the commonality here? Starnes Widdrington (still on the books) I used to rate Tom Gorringe but commercial matters have looked a bit suspect with bringing on TicketMaster recently. Whilst the club isn’t at fault, the whole situation was managed diabolically. I love Wael and appreciate everything he does for the club so it pains me to include him. However he needs decent back up at board level. Starnes was everywhere 12-18 months ago claiming all he was doing to help Wael save money but where is he now? A relegation and three managers and two reboots in 12 months can’t have been cheap. agree.its that later that is killing the club now. Gorringe seems to walk on water.but all he does is outsource everything.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 12, 2021 17:15:21 GMT
Hasn't he brought in Colin Gibson to assist him at BoD level? He has. So why have we still got Starnes & Widdrington? If they’re still here (and I don’t actually believe TW is still actually with us) what are they doing? And by that - I mean what are they actually bringing to the table other than being a figurehead? When was the last time we heard from Martyn Starnes? Starnes is CEO which seems a glorified accountant at lower league level. Wael's got to be the man making all the major decisions, given he's prepared to back them with his own money then we've just got to accept his mistakes.
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