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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 14, 2021 20:49:39 GMT
The gap in football is ever increasing. Last season 2 of the 3 relegated sides from the season before went back up to the prem (Norwich and Watford). This eason you have West Brom and Fulham in 1st and 3rd already, with Bournemouth sandwiched between them (the only relegated side from the previous season not to bounce straight back up.
Then you look at the bottom of the championship. Wycombe and Rotherham came straight back down to L1.
Last season's promoted teams, Hull, Peterborough and Blackpool already occupy 3 of the bottom 4 positions.
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Post by axegas on Sept 14, 2021 21:03:14 GMT
I think it’s worth to remember that these teams may need time to adjust to the better level of football, we’re only a month into the season.
Agree that the gulf is massive but I think you’ll find that a few newly promoted sides down there will get better as time goes on.
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Post by cj on Sept 14, 2021 21:36:08 GMT
Do those getting relegated from the Prem still get big parachute payments? If so, that will help with trying to get a return to the Prem at the first or second attempt.
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Post by supergas on Sept 15, 2021 3:03:56 GMT
Do those getting relegated from the Prem still get big parachute payments? If so, that will help with trying to get a return to the Prem at the first or second attempt. As far as I know they do - for the three years after relegation, something like 50% then 40% then 20% of the broadcast revenue they would have got if they were still in the Premier league - so yes they effectively have two attempts to get back before they lose a huge advantage.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 6:32:58 GMT
Do those getting relegated from the Prem still get big parachute payments? If so, that will help with trying to get a return to the Prem at the first or second attempt. They do. Bournmouth received £36 million for this season's payment! I believe that is their last. Was mentioned on their Sky game last night. Promotion back to the Premier League will net them £80 million plus. |
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Post by gregsy on Sept 15, 2021 8:47:05 GMT
And this is why I go to watch manor farm....
Can take the family out we can all have a cider and a burger for under £40....
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Post by cj on Sept 15, 2021 9:11:23 GMT
Do those getting relegated from the Prem still get big parachute payments? If so, that will help with trying to get a return to the Prem at the first or second attempt. As far as I know they do - for the three years after relegation, something like 50% then 40% then 20% of the broadcast revenue they would have got if they were still in the Premier league - so yes they effectively have two attempts to get back before they lose a huge advantage.... I wonder for teams like Norwich and West Brom who are the yo yo clubs between the Prem and Championship have realised there is probably more money in it for them in going up and down than trying to claim 17th each season in the Prem. |
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Post by cj on Sept 15, 2021 9:13:10 GMT
Also, the same goes further down the football pyramid. League 2 for example. I see 3 of the relegated League 1 sides from last season are sitting in the top 8. Not sure where the 4th relegated side is though. I gave up looking for them when I got as far down as 21st.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 15, 2021 9:13:56 GMT
Just shows how wrong you can be…..thought when I saw the title of this thread that it was about little blue pills…..🤪
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2021 9:27:42 GMT
Also, the same goes further down the football pyramid. League 2 for example. I see 3 of the relegated League 1 sides from last season are sitting in the top 8. Not sure where the 4th relegated side is though. I gave up looking for them when I got as far down as 21st. There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible. Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. |
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 15, 2021 9:37:07 GMT
Also, the same goes further down the football pyramid. League 2 for example. I see 3 of the relegated League 1 sides from last season are sitting in the top 8. Not sure where the 4th relegated side is though. I gave up looking for them when I got as far down as 21st. There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible. Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. same here. If one crazy day we got to the pl then happy for one season then like you bounce between champ and league 1. Still want to go to games with mates not sat in different stands or priced out of going. |
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Post by cj on Sept 15, 2021 10:24:54 GMT
Also, the same goes further down the football pyramid. League 2 for example. I see 3 of the relegated League 1 sides from last season are sitting in the top 8. Not sure where the 4th relegated side is though. I gave up looking for them when I got as far down as 21st. There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible. Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. I really am not trying to be negative here but I can't ever see a time where we will ever compete in the Championship, let alone reach the Prem. The money being thrown around in the Championship for just squad players who ain't even key players is ridiculous. I can't see us spending £1 million on players let alone that much on a single player. Our highest paid fee paid was for Andy Tilson back in the early 90's. I am not sure if we broke that amount for Tom Nichols as seen different amounts be touted around, but you would think 30 years later that we would have broke that record fee by now. Of course we could get by on free transfers but I can't see us climbing the league and competing at Championship level on free transfers. Money will have to be spent on quality and that won't be cheap and I just can't see our club ever doing that. I did think for a time when BG came that there was a chance of this happening as I thought the idea of bring in young talent and sell off for good money could be the start of something to come like a Brighton or Brentford. But that idea has long gone and we are now bringing in players past their sell by date who are probably looking for their last well paid contract without any care whatsoever. |
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Post by Congas on Sept 15, 2021 10:51:01 GMT
With all respect, Rotherham invariably come straight back down, as do Doncaster and Barnsley, although the latter managed to hang on a season.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2021 10:53:34 GMT
There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible. Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. I really am not trying to be negative here but I can't ever see a time where we will ever compete in the Championship, let alone reach the Prem. The money being thrown around in the Championship for just squad players who ain't even key players is ridiculous. I can't see us spending £1 million on players let alone that much on a single player. Our highest paid fee paid was for Andy Tilson back in the early 90's. I am not sure if we broke that amount for Tom Nichols as seen different amounts be touted around, but you would think 30 years later that we would have broke that record fee by now. Of course we could get by on free transfers but I can't see us climbing the league and competing at Championship level on free transfers. Money will have to be spent on quality and that won't be cheap and I just can't see our club ever doing that. I did think for a time when BG came that there was a chance of this happening as I thought the idea of bring in young talent and sell off for good money could be the start of something to come like a Brighton or Brentford. But that idea has long gone and we are now bringing in players past their sell by date who are probably looking for their last well paid contract without any care whatsoever. Not negative, probably realistic. I was just hypothesising. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2021 11:22:57 GMT
There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible. Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. I really am not trying to be negative here but I can't ever see a time where we will ever compete in the Championship, let alone reach the Prem. The money being thrown around in the Championship for just squad players who ain't even key players is ridiculous. I can't see us spending £1 million on players let alone that much on a single player. Our highest paid fee paid was for Andy Tilson back in the early 90's. I am not sure if we broke that amount for Tom Nichols as seen different amounts be touted around, but you would think 30 years later that we would have broke that record fee by now. Of course we could get by on free transfers but I can't see us climbing the league and competing at Championship level on free transfers. Money will have to be spent on quality and that won't be cheap and I just can't see our club ever doing that. I did think for a time when BG came that there was a chance of this happening as I thought the idea of bring in young talent and sell off for good money could be the start of something to come like a Brighton or Brentford. But that idea has long gone and we are now bringing in players past their sell by date who are probably looking for their last well paid contract without any care whatsoever. Without a new stadium it would be virtually impossible, but with a new stadium and smart recruitment it would be possible. |
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Post by cj on Sept 15, 2021 11:45:50 GMT
I really am not trying to be negative here but I can't ever see a time where we will ever compete in the Championship, let alone reach the Prem. The money being thrown around in the Championship for just squad players who ain't even key players is ridiculous. I can't see us spending £1 million on players let alone that much on a single player. Our highest paid fee paid was for Andy Tilson back in the early 90's. I am not sure if we broke that amount for Tom Nichols as seen different amounts be touted around, but you would think 30 years later that we would have broke that record fee by now. Of course we could get by on free transfers but I can't see us climbing the league and competing at Championship level on free transfers. Money will have to be spent on quality and that won't be cheap and I just can't see our club ever doing that. I did think for a time when BG came that there was a chance of this happening as I thought the idea of bring in young talent and sell off for good money could be the start of something to come like a Brighton or Brentford. But that idea has long gone and we are now bringing in players past their sell by date who are probably looking for their last well paid contract without any care whatsoever. Without a new stadium it would be virtually impossible, but with a new stadium and smart recruitment it would be possible. A new stadium AND smart recruitment - just for it to become a possibility. I'm in my 30's and I don't think I will see Rovers in a new stadium AND have smart recruitment in my lift time. Just having 'Rovers - new stadium - smart recruitment' in a sentence just looks and sounds strange! |
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 15, 2021 11:47:06 GMT
Why has "Bigger" got a capital B?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2021 11:54:50 GMT
Also, the same goes further down the football pyramid. League 2 for example. I see 3 of the relegated League 1 sides from last season are sitting in the top 8. Not sure where the 4th relegated side is though. I gave up looking for them when I got as far down as 21st. There are several glass ceilings throughout the football pyramid, the Prem seems to be a closed shop in practice for most outside the top 25ish teams. The likes of Brentford will be even fewer, though not impossible.Apart from a cameo appearance to say we'd done it once, not sure I'd want to chase that pipedream anyway. Give me a decent stadium (or even just a couple of new stands) and yo-yoing between Championship and L1. We've an awful long way to go to get there though, even for that modest target. No, it’s not impossible. I never thought we’d see another Wimbledon but we have. We’ve had 2 over the past 6/7 years. AFC Bournemouth and now Brentford. Both were recently in League 1 and got promotion to the Championship and with money and being well run, got to the PL. So it’s an achievable aim but atm BRFC are light years away from doing that because it seems we lack leadership and leaders and appear to be not run very well. A new ground is needed yet we seem to be further away from that as we’ve ever been. Money is important but so is the ability to spend it wisely. UTG! |
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Post by Squiffy on Sept 15, 2021 14:06:10 GMT
Just shows how wrong you can be…..thought when I saw the title of this thread that it was about little blue pills…..🤪 …or Nicki Minaj’s friend! 😂 |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2021 17:22:54 GMT
Just shows how wrong you can be…..thought when I saw the title of this thread that it was about little blue pills…..🤪 …or Nicki Minaj’s friend! 😂 Get away! That’s just a load of bollox. Much like the football over the past 20 months. UTG! |
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