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Post by mftc on Sept 19, 2021 9:32:42 GMT
Don't Sack him!Before anyone thinks I have lost my marbles, without full knowledge of employment law, if we sack him, don't we have to effectively pay him for the remainder of his con trick, sorry I meant contract. If he was sent on gardening leave and then found guilty, can we not give him instant dismissal only paid to that point? As we are so skint can't Bond take over for the rest of the season. That scenario has relegation written all over it We need a half decent manager, a decent human being, I’d even support the hiring of a young successful manager from the lower leagues.
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Post by mftc on Sept 19, 2021 9:33:29 GMT
Don't Sack him!Before anyone thinks I have lost my marbles, without full knowledge of employment law, if we sack him, don't we have to effectively pay him for the remainder of his con trick, sorry I meant contract. If he was sent on gardening leave and then found guilty, can we not give him instant dismissal only paid to that point? As we are so skint can't Bond take over for the rest of the season. That scenario has relegation written all over it We need a half decent manager, a decent human being, I’d even support the hiring of a young successful manager from the lower leagues.
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Post by mftc on Sept 19, 2021 9:37:45 GMT
Yeah but we are skint.
We cant afford to sack JB, pay compensation for a new manager, and get new signings.
Bond is experiencex and has contacts. Let's hope we have done some investigation in 2-3 new signings in Jan.
I think Nicholson will be going unfortunately unless he gets injured again, so we ha e to use that money wisely.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 19, 2021 9:40:29 GMT
I'm no legal expert so haven't any idea if this is feasible but could we as a club place him on gardening leave pending his court cases and appoint Maher or Hargreaves as an interim manager ? Surely we could legitimately argue that the upcoming legal cases are having a detrimental effect on him doing his job ? If either of the court case goes against him we can sack him for breach of contract and save the compensation fee we would have paid out now. Everyone's a winner
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 9:49:45 GMT
I'm no legal expert so haven't any idea if this is feasible but could we as a club place him on gardening leave pending his court cases and appoint Maher or Hargreaves as an interim manager ? Surely we could legitimately argue that the upcoming legal cases are having a detrimental effect on him doing his job ? If either of the court case goes against him we can sack him for breach of contract and save the compensation fee we would have paid out now. Everyone's a winner Constructive Dismissal. If the board had done that as soon as the police and CPS decided to press charges, yes maybe. But to try and reference that at this point would not stand up. Just sack him on performance grounds.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 19, 2021 9:55:22 GMT
I'm no legal expert so haven't any idea if this is feasible but could we as a club place him on gardening leave pending his court cases and appoint Maher or Hargreaves as an interim manager ? Surely we could legitimately argue that the upcoming legal cases are having a detrimental effect on him doing his job ? If either of the court case goes against him we can sack him for breach of contract and save the compensation fee we would have paid out now. Everyone's a winner Constructive Dismissal. If the board had done that as soon as the police and CPS decided to press charges, yes maybe. But to try and reference that at this point would not stand up. Just sack him on performance grounds. Thanks Oldie Sack him or wait until the court case then, not sure I'd like to be making that call having already paid off 2 managers so recently.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 10:12:16 GMT
Constructive Dismissal. If the board had done that as soon as the police and CPS decided to press charges, yes maybe. But to try and reference that at this point would not stand up. Just sack him on performance grounds. Thanks Oldie Sack him or wait until the court case then, not sure I'd like to be making that call having already paid off 2 managers so recently. Yes I agree. The devil or the deep blue sea. Personally I think Wael needs to revamp his directors, get guys in who A) know the game B) can run a business C) accept accountibilty What board, such as that, would maintain Barton's employment status, given his track record to date? It's not looking good, on and off the pitch.
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 19, 2021 10:58:50 GMT
So eloquent - makes you proud to be a Gashead. We’re you outside the clubhouse after the game Tilly by any chance ? I have a feeling it was you I was talking to after the game ? A couple of the players walked past and stopped and gave a few autographs out to a couple of kids. You had two lads with you as well. Probably wasn’t you but sounds like it could of been ....
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 19, 2021 11:04:26 GMT
So eloquent - makes you proud to be a Gashead. We’re you outside the clubhouse after the game Tilly by any chance ? I have a feeling it was you I was talking to after the game ? A couple of the players walked past and stopped and gave a few autographs out to a couple of kids. You had two lads with you as well. Probably wasn’t you but sounds like it could of been .... Sorry, it wasn't me on this occasion. I think I may have once inadvertently chatted to Hugo by the refreshment hut in the South Stand, without realising it was him.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 19, 2021 11:08:56 GMT
We’re you outside the clubhouse after the game Tilly by any chance ? I have a feeling it was you I was talking to after the game ? A couple of the players walked past and stopped and gave a few autographs out to a couple of kids. You had two lads with you as well. Probably wasn’t you but sounds like it could of been .... Sorry, it wasn't me on this occasion. I think I may have once inadvertently chatted to Hugo by the refreshment hut in the South Stand, without realising it was him. I think I had a fight with Hugo by the refreshment hut in the South Stand. There was only four Mars bars left and he tried to push past me to make sure he got them all.
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Post by adrian301 on Sept 19, 2021 11:36:09 GMT
So eloquent - makes you proud to be a Gashead. Those ironic self deprecating chants from the Blackthorn End, telling the world we know how sh** we are. And then the whole ground going OTT with a shot at goal, and a 92nd minute worthless penalty, just about summed everything up for me. I thought dropping down a division I would see more goals and wins, that's not going too well. I wonder what JB,the coaching staff, players and the board must think, when the fans start ridiculing their team. That HAS to be worse than hostility and booing?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 19, 2021 11:57:48 GMT
Thanks Oldie Sack him or wait until the court case then, not sure I'd like to be making that call having already paid off 2 managers so recently. Yes I agree. The devil or the deep blue sea. Personally I think Wael needs to revamp his directors, get guys in who A) know the game B) can run a business C) accept accountibilty What board, such as that, would maintain Barton's employment status, given his track record to date? It's not looking good, on and off the pitch. Agreed I think under normal circumstances and with his record most boards would looking to make a change and had we not gone through the Garner/Tisdale situation he'd be gone. I do however think the financial cost of sacking another manager when he could potentially be removed at zero cost in 2 months is definitely playing a part. I guess its a situation where we have to weigh up the cost of getting rid now against the damage another 2 months of potentially poor results and inevitably lower crowds will do in the long term
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Post by adrian301 on Sept 19, 2021 12:38:23 GMT
Yes I agree. The devil or the deep blue sea. Personally I think Wael needs to revamp his directors, get guys in who A) know the game B) can run a business C) accept accountibilty What board, such as that, would maintain Barton's employment status, given his track record to date? It's not looking good, on and off the pitch. Agreed I think under normal circumstances and with his record most boards would looking to make a change and had we not gone through the Garner/Tisdale situation he'd be gone. I do however think the financial cost of sacking another manager when he could potentially be removed at zero cost in 2 months is definitely playing a part. I guess its a situation where we have to weigh up the cost of getting rid now against the damage another 2 months of potentially poor results and inevitably lower crowds will do in the long term Barton and the whole team MUST be thinking the same thing. Everything is on hold until the verdicts of a court case. We just have to plough on, it seems. I see Notts Forest sacked Houghton, and it's only mid September!
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 19, 2021 12:39:58 GMT
He’s going nowhere according to waels dig at the fans tweet just now.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 12:41:04 GMT
We’re you outside the clubhouse after the game Tilly by any chance ? I have a feeling it was you I was talking to after the game ? A couple of the players walked past and stopped and gave a few autographs out to a couple of kids. You had two lads with you as well. Probably wasn’t you but sounds like it could of been .... Sorry, it wasn't me on this occasion. I think I may have once inadvertently chatted to Hugo by the refreshment hut in the South Stand, without realising it was him. Don't think it was Hugo as I'm sure he's boycotting the Rovers for a bit. Could be wrong. Did he look and smell like a tramps hat?
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Post by charmouthblue on Sept 19, 2021 14:02:04 GMT
electric. Who would you take a punt on?I'm struggling to find a manager that would either be available or want to come here. Clough for me if Mansfield pull the trigger and that's about it Paul Trollope? Pulis
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 19, 2021 14:13:22 GMT
Sack him, he is an imbecile.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 19, 2021 15:30:14 GMT
It's time for him to go. I really wanted him to do well, but his tenure has been a disaster.. He's had enough time to demonstrate his ability and recruit his own players. When teams like Exeter and Orient can put 7 past us in L2 football the situation is really dire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 18:27:57 GMT
Yes I agree. The devil or the deep blue sea. Personally I think Wael needs to revamp his directors, get guys in who A) know the game B) can run a business C) accept accountibilty What board, such as that, would maintain Barton's employment status, given his track record to date? It's not looking good, on and off the pitch. Agreed I think under normal circumstances and with his record most boards would looking to make a change and had we not gone through the Garner/Tisdale situation he'd be gone. I do however think the financial cost of sacking another manager when he could potentially be removed at zero cost in 2 months is definitely playing a part. I guess its a situation where we have to weigh up the cost of getting rid now against the damage another 2 months of potentially poor results and inevitably lower crowds will do in the long term The trouble is even if Barton is found guilty on one or both of the charges against him, he has the money and access to lawyers who no doubt would find a reason to appeal the verdict and an appeal can delay an outcome for months even years.
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