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Post by cj on Sept 19, 2021 11:57:33 GMT
In. Not at all convinced, but any manager deserves at least 20 games after a complete rebuild. Not like the constant sacking of managers has worked so why not try something different. So you think he should have a minimum if 17 more games as we've played just 3 since the last transfers joined our club? Wow!
I would agree a manager deserves time but after his performance last season and clearly so far this season has been just as poor, this manager doesn't deserve more time.
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Post by 4d on Sept 19, 2021 12:03:52 GMT
As above, I’d give him until December - the squad was pretty much in place before the first game of the season.
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Post by cj on Sept 19, 2021 12:07:04 GMT
On what basis do they do deserve it? This is lower league management, and JB accepted the role with the remit to keep us up with the existing squad (which he openly rated when taking over). We were above the drop zone at the time. This idea that he's exempt from all responsibility for the games he took charge year is quite bizarre and delusional in the context of managing in the lower leagues. Allowing JB the keys to construct the rebuild was an utterly disastrous move. His off field behaviour prior should have seen him removed by that point. I’d have had no argument if he was sacked in the summer and someone else tasked with the rebuild. However that didn’t happen and so I think he now deserves an adequate amount of time to find a winning formula with players he’s signed. If we sack him we’ll probably bring in another Tisdale - a manager who didn’t sign the players doesn’t rate them and doesn’t want to play in the style they were recruited for. Don’t be fooled into thinking things couldn’t get a lot worse. Give Barton until December to show he can turn things around at which point there’s still more than enough time for a new manager to make an impact and use the January transfer window to make some changes to the squad. Until December? WTF am I reading here!
The way things are going this season and last season under JB, if we wait until December to remove him, between now and then, all evidence points to us struggling so bad in the bottom 2 and the players confidence and mental state will be shot to pieces that no manager would want to come in at that point when too much damage is done. Need to act now to give the next manager, preferably someone who actually knows what they are doing, time to fix us and survive this season because right now, a double relegation is likely to happen if we stick with JB.
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Post by 4d on Sept 19, 2021 12:07:35 GMT
I’d also add I don’t need 133 people responding to say they think I’m talking rubbish as I can see that from the poll.
History would suggest being on the opposite side of any fan poll on here is the right place to be so I’m comfortable with that.
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Post by cj on Sept 19, 2021 12:11:41 GMT
I’d also add I don’t need 133 people responding to say they think I’m talking rubbish as I can see that from the poll. History would suggest being on the opposite side of any fan poll on here is the right place to be so I’m comfortable with that. If you don't want people responding then maybe don't post because that's what usually happens on a forum.
I respect you want him to give him to December but things will not improve. If you get your way, between now and December the atmosphere at the ground and on here will be the worse I would have ever known.
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Post by falsenumber9 on Sept 19, 2021 12:27:44 GMT
On what basis do they do deserve it? This is lower league management, and JB accepted the role with the remit to keep us up with the existing squad (which he openly rated when taking over). We were above the drop zone at the time. This idea that he's exempt from all responsibility for the games he took charge year is quite bizarre and delusional in the context of managing in the lower leagues. Allowing JB the keys to construct the rebuild was an utterly disastrous move. His off field behaviour prior should have seen him removed by that point. I’d have had no argument if he was sacked in the summer and someone else tasked with the rebuild. However that didn’t happen and so I think he now deserves an adequate amount of time to find a winning formula with players he’s signed. If we sack him we’ll probably bring in another Tisdale - a manager who didn’t sign the players doesn’t rate them and doesn’t want to play in the style they were recruited for. Don’t be fooled into thinking things couldn’t get a lot worse. Give Barton until December to show he can turn things around at which point there’s still more than enough time for a new manager to make an impact and use the January transfer window to make some changes to the squad. My issues with Barton are as much off the field as they are on it, which suggest clearly that he's isn't the man to lead this club or get the best out of the resources we have. Given the damage and atmosphere around the club at the moment, holding out until December would be a dangerous move. I know for a fact the situation has crossed a red line for many committed and until this point, regular attenders at the Mem. If that doesn't worry the club, it absolutely should.
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Post by 4d on Nov 13, 2021 17:12:37 GMT
Do we need another pointless poll tonight or is that only when we lose? Wonder if it’s still over 80% that want him out.
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Post by bobbyjones on Nov 13, 2021 17:19:50 GMT
Do we need another pointless poll tonight or is that only when we lose? Wonder if it’s still over 80% that want him out. Out before the courts decide for us.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 13, 2021 17:28:49 GMT
Do we need another pointless poll tonight or is that only when we lose? Wonder if it’s still over 80% that want him out. Well we don’t need an In Out poll if we win do we?!? Obviously. Still seen a lot of poor performances to good performances. Today was the only convincing home win I’ve seen with this current squad. We looked great today, and it fills me with plenty of optimism. There are still huge clouds over Joey when it comes to off the field matters though and to a sizeable number a few good results won’t compensate for that.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 13, 2021 17:50:22 GMT
When I voted "Out" there were no signs of improvement, and Joey was coming out with numerous bizarre crap in his interviews, which coupled with the impending trials had me thinking we were better off getting someone like Flynn in instead.
However, in the last few weeks culminating in a great performance today, we have been showing tangible signs of improvement, and so whilst the overall performance so far this season has been below par, I'm happy to have the stability of JB continuing, and hopefully our gradual improvements will continue.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 13, 2021 18:07:25 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it).
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2021 19:28:12 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it). So you'd still sack our manger based on a poor performance by our reserves v Exeter's first team in a cup competition most fans would like us to boycott if we could, how about measuring him on our last half a dozen or so first team games? Ignoring the elephant in the room Barton could well be building momentum towards a play off or better push plus a decent FA cup run.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 13, 2021 19:38:00 GMT
Still out
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 13, 2021 20:03:28 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it). So you'd still sack our manger based on a poor performance by our reserves v Exeter's first team in a cup competition most fans would like us to boycott if we could, how about measuring him on our last half a dozen or so first team games? Ignoring the elephant in the room Barton could well be building momentum towards a play off or better push plus a decent FA cup run. Not just poor performance v Exeter, but also Swindon & Newport at home. They are within last 6 matches. The common theme is: stood watching and making no change until we lost the match, then b s excuse post match comments patronising fans that paid to watch it.....yep, that's gross misconduct for me. There has been dysfunctional progress, a fighting spirit has emerged in recent matches intermittently, but it's out until in I'm afraid. You may beg to differ.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 13, 2021 20:05:12 GMT
He could win every game he takes charge of and I would still want him out.
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Post by gulfofaden on Nov 13, 2021 20:05:40 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it). I thought the sub today Thomas for evans was a great idea. We at least had someone with pace up front to give them something to think about. Evans is more of a link man in CF position, Thomas left up top was a good shout when we were having to defend with 10 men.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 13, 2021 20:13:54 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it). I thought the sub today Thomas for evans was a great idea. We at least had someone with pace up front to give them something to think about. Evans is more of a link man in CF position, Thomas left up top was a good shout when we were having to defend with 10 men. Agreed. LT offers that and it was right sub at right time. What did you think about the substitution when you need a goal, a goal out of anywhere v Swindle at home, and you take off Pitman for: Westbrook? (When Spence had scored the winner the week before) (And before anyone mentions Westbrook scored v Exeter in 3-0 second half win, this was prior).
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Post by gulfofaden on Nov 13, 2021 20:56:51 GMT
I thought the sub today Thomas for evans was a great idea. We at least had someone with pace up front to give them something to think about. Evans is more of a link man in CF position, Thomas left up top was a good shout when we were having to defend with 10 men. Agreed. LT offers that and it was right sub at right time. What did you think about the substitution when you need a goal, a goal out of anywhere v Swindle at home, and you take off Pitman for: Westbrook? (When Spence had scored the winner the week before) (And before anyone mentions Westbrook scored v Exeter in 3-0 second half win, this was prior). I think it could have been influenced by things we don’t know much about, like fitness. I think one of the defining things which has changed our fortunes is not having a completely immobile pitman upfront, and by instead having younger players with legs who can chase the back line. Perhaps it was to ensure someone with legs could do that as they were very comfortable with the ball at the back, which was another defining point of the game v Swindon, where they played it around at the back all game with a slow pitman doing nothing to counter? I wouldn’t based a substition entirely on who scored last week, and I quite like westbroke
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 13, 2021 21:08:32 GMT
Agreed. LT offers that and it was right sub at right time. What did you think about the substitution when you need a goal, a goal out of anywhere v Swindle at home, and you take off Pitman for: Westbrook? (When Spence had scored the winner the week before) (And before anyone mentions Westbrook scored v Exeter in 3-0 second half win, this was prior). I wouldn’t based a substition entirely on who scored last week, and I quite like westbroke I like him too, but not his goalscoring prowess when you're desperate for a goal? Um, Spence scored at Walsall provoking JAB to say he's one of the best finishers at the club..... like I said, you need a goal out of anywhere....? Totally agree and accept your other points, but as it can be demonstrated some subs and tactics have worked, equally others haven't and I'm still an outy until proven otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 21:22:33 GMT
I'm an outy. Until I can see a distinct knowledge that he knows how to manage a game in real time (not go 4-0 or 5-0 down v Exeter and then wonder how to change it). So you'd still sack our manger based on a poor performance by our reserves v Exeter's first team in a cup competition most fans would like us to boycott if we could, how about measuring him on our last half a dozen or so first team games? Ignoring the elephant in the room Barton could well be building momentum towards a play off or better push plus a decent FA cup run. Exeter's first team? You fell for Barton's inability to tell the truth. Exeter made 10 changes on Wednesday evening. Out for me.
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