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Post by peterparker on Oct 19, 2021 9:16:34 GMT
quite amazing that Joey doesn't have a mate that can do it
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Post by Jomo on Oct 19, 2021 9:21:25 GMT
This public way of dealing with things by JB, regardless of whether they are true or not, is simply a bad way of improving matters. If he was diplomatic about it and said to Wael "I've got serious reservations, let's call a meeting to discuss where the club is at and where we could improve", perhaps Widdrington and co wouldn't have closed the door on their relationship with JB, and the situation wouldn't be so toxic.
Diplomacy is always the best way forward as Option A, in my opinion, and has always worked for me in getting out of awkward situations.
Wael desperately needs to sort this club out, it is so badly mismanaged it is untrue. It doesn't just take a cheque book and a smiley face to run a business.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Oct 19, 2021 9:27:45 GMT
I’m not pleased this is being aired in public, but I do agree with Barton on this.
For years we’ve been moaning about the lack of scouting at the club, not just at the senior team level but even at academy age, the scouting at the club is not sufficient enough.
I don’t know whether this is down to budget or whatnot, but Barton has been around many more established higher league clubs than we have, so probably has a better idea of what to expect.
I don’t like the approach, but the essence of the story is still very valid.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 19, 2021 9:30:40 GMT
This public way of dealing with things by JB, regardless of whether they are true or not, is simply a bad way of improving matters. If he was diplomatic about it and said to Wael "I've got serious reservations, let's call a meeting to discuss where the club is at and where we could improve", perhaps Widdrington and co wouldn't have closed the door on their relationship with JB, and the situation wouldn't be so toxic. Diplomacy is always the best way forward as Option A, in my opinion, and has always worked for me in getting out of awkward situations. Wael desperately needs to sort this club out, it is so badly mismanaged it is untrue. It doesn't just take a cheque book and a smiley face to run a business. Maybe joey has tried this correct approach and hasn’t seen any change so has now felt the need to change tact. Wel never know because the club are like a secretive sect who only ever give out tit bits of information when absolutely necessary. Usually when we’ve just been relegated or lost 5 in a row and they still want us to spend money.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 19, 2021 9:32:29 GMT
I’m not pleased this is being aired in public, but I do agree with Barton on this. For years we’ve been moaning about the lack of scouting at the club, not just at the senior team level but even at academy age, the scouting at the club is not sufficient enough. I don’t know whether this is down to budget or whatnot, but Barton has been around many more established higher league clubs than we have, so probably has a better idea of what to expect. I don’t like the approach, but the essence of the story is still very valid. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. If JB really thought it and really wanted it sorted, he would have sorted it out behind the scenes months ago. A bigger person would have picked up the phone and sorted it out. No excuses. But that's exactly what this is, setting up supposedly viable excuses for failure in the event that we do fail. It's manipulative, and I'm not going to be taken in by it.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 19, 2021 9:32:37 GMT
I’m not pleased this is being aired in public, but I do agree with Barton on this. For years we’ve been moaning about the lack of scouting at the club, not just at the senior team level but even at academy age, the scouting at the club is not sufficient enough. I don’t know whether this is down to budget or whatnot, but Barton has been around many more established higher league clubs than we have, so probably has a better idea of what to expect. I don’t like the approach, but the essence of the story is still very valid. Completely agree with this. My lad plays in a brilliant under 11s team and we regularly have City and Southampton scouts at their games. I’ve never once seen a gas scout watch them. City and Southampton have already snapped up the best of their squad.
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Post by pirate on Oct 19, 2021 9:38:15 GMT
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 19, 2021 9:44:26 GMT
Sounds like Widdrington and Staines are cosied up, taking a salary for not doing very much. Presumably they were sitting in the East Stand, so Barton may not even have been aware that they were up there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 9:48:26 GMT
Sounds like Widdrington and Staines are cosied up, taking a salary for not doing very much. Presumably they were sitting in the East Stand, so Barton may not even have been aware that they were up there. I think he knows exactly what’s going on Tilly and I think he knows exactly what he is doing.
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Post by axegas on Oct 19, 2021 9:52:01 GMT
Sounds like Widdrington and Staines are cosied up, taking a salary for not doing very much. Presumably they were sitting in the East Stand, so Barton may not even have been aware that they were up there. Nope, they’re doing their jobs independently and Barton is refusing to engage with them because he wants it all under his remit. Wael either gives Barton full control or he sits them all round a table and makes them work together. He can’t stand off from afar and let the wounds fester in an attempt to appease everybody.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 19, 2021 9:55:43 GMT
I know there weren't many spectators at the Chelsea game, but it is difficult to have a conversation over 20 yards.
Lack of scouting opposition is just staggering, if true. Of course we can do some video analysis, but a manager needs to have an opposition scout that he can trust as a fundamental.
Managers come and managers go, but Tommy seems to be a constant. Part of the problem and not the solution IMO.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 19, 2021 9:56:34 GMT
Sounds like Widdrington and Staines are cosied up, taking a salary for not doing very much. Presumably they were sitting in the East Stand, so Barton may not even have been aware that they were up there. Nope, they’re doing their jobs independently and Barton is refusing to engage with them because he wants it all under his remit. Wael either gives Barton full control or he sits them all round a table and makes them work together. He can’t stand off from afar and let the wounds fester in an attempt to appease everybody. If Staines is doing his job, shouldn't he have sorted this lack of communication between 2 senior figures out by now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 9:57:58 GMT
Nope, they’re doing their jobs independently and Barton is refusing to engage with them because he wants it all under his remit. Wael either gives Barton full control or he sits them all round a table and makes them work together. He can’t stand off from afar and let the wounds fester in an attempt to appease everybody. If Staines is doing his job, shouldn't he have sorted this lack of communication between 2 senior figures out by now? Unless he’s not being allowed to?
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Post by axegas on Oct 19, 2021 9:58:01 GMT
Nope, they’re doing their jobs independently and Barton is refusing to engage with them because he wants it all under his remit. Wael either gives Barton full control or he sits them all round a table and makes them work together. He can’t stand off from afar and let the wounds fester in an attempt to appease everybody. If Staines is doing his job, shouldn't he have sorted this lack of communication between 2 senior figures out by now? We only know Barton’s take on the story, which I’d take with a huge pinch of salt to be honest. Not defending Starnes but would be interesting to hear the other side of it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 19, 2021 9:58:38 GMT
If you took him at his word everyone he comes into contact with who doesn't do exactly what he says is incompetent or negligent or cancerous or whatever and everything he does is great and the only way forward. Either he's the greatest football personality there has ever been (looking at his record I'd suggest this isn't the case) or he's full of sh**. He’s been complimentary about Wael, several other managers and most of the current squad. He’s not been complimentary about the shower of sh** who assembled a squad of no hopers (who the previous 2 incumbents couldn’t get a tune out of) and most pre existing parts of BRFC which we all used to moan about constantly. The good thing about fairly narcisstic and nasty streak individuals like JB is they don’t sugar coat sh**. This club has been a shambles for years. With or without Joey B, this collection of underperforming deadwood had to be cleared. GC got a break with JCH but other than that since DC left we’ve been completely mismanaged. As for JB, his own judgement of himself is somewhat immaterial as everyone as nobody tends to slate themselves. I gave up backing or berating managers long ago as I admit I’m not privvy to the situation behind the scenes, and I am not a football professional. However, this club definitely did need a root and branch review. Yeah, he's been complimentary about Wael. I wonder why. I'm sure as soon as he leaves he'll spill a load of bile about the bloke and some people on here will lap it up. Makes I larf, too, about everyone on here saying about what yes men BG and PT were, when the real yes man is JB. My perception is that he's a slimy whiny creep who can't be trusted. Just because we've been a shambles doesn't mean JB is solving anything, I fear he will just create slightly different shambles. I'm not privvy to anything, either, but JB mouths off so often, I think it's possible to take a view about him. To be honest, I don't understand why people are so keen to make excuses for him. The underperforming deadwood underperformed more under JB than anyone else. Though I didn't particularly rate BG, with the benefit of hindsight, I feel like, looking at how he's doing atm with Swindon, he had a better chance of keeping us up and turning that deadwood into a team than I gave him credit for at the time.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 19, 2021 9:58:57 GMT
quite amazing that Joey doesn't have a mate that can do it Give it a week or two.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 19, 2021 10:02:01 GMT
If Staines is doing his job, shouldn't he have sorted this lack of communication between 2 senior figures out by now? We only know Barton’s take on the story, which I’d take with a huge pinch of salt to be honest. Not defending Starnes but would be interesting to hear the other side of it. Agreed, there are always two sides to a story.
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Post by barumgas on Oct 19, 2021 10:02:05 GMT
Sounds like Widdrington and Staines are cosied up, taking a salary for not doing very much. Presumably they were sitting in the East Stand, so Barton may not even have been aware that they were up there. Nope, they’re doing their jobs independently and Barton is refusing to engage with them because he wants it all under his remit. Wael either gives Barton full control or he sits them all round a table and makes them work together. He can’t stand off from afar and let the wounds fester in an attempt to appease everybody. I totally agree, Wael needs to step in and bring all concerned together as this is further damaging the image of the club. Us supporters are fed up with the antics going on, and it is not inconceivable that it affecting the players morale.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 19, 2021 10:04:36 GMT
If you took him at his word everyone he comes into contact with who doesn't do exactly what he says is incompetent or negligent or cancerous or whatever and everything he does is great and the only way forward. Either he's the greatest football personality there has ever been (looking at his record I'd suggest this isn't the case) or he's full of sh**. He’s been complimentary about Wael, several other managers and most of the current squad. He’s not been complimentary about the shower of sh** who assembled a squad of no hopers (who the previous 2 incumbents couldn’t get a tune out of) and most pre existing parts of BRFC which we all used to moan about constantly. The good thing about fairly narcisstic and nasty streak individuals like JB is they don’t sugar coat sh**. This club has been a shambles for years. With or without Joey B, this collection of underperforming deadwood had to be cleared. GC got a break with JCH but other than that since DC left we’ve been completely mismanaged. As for JB, his own judgement of himself is somewhat immaterial as everyone as nobody tends to slate themselves. I gave up backing or berating managers long ago as I admit I’m not privvy to the situation behind the scenes, and I am not a football professional. However, this club definitely did need a root and branch review. Absolutely correct IMO 👍💙
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 19, 2021 10:09:53 GMT
I’m not pleased this is being aired in public, but I do agree with Barton on this. For years we’ve been moaning about the lack of scouting at the club, not just at the senior team level but even at academy age, the scouting at the club is not sufficient enough. I don’t know whether this is down to budget or whatnot, but Barton has been around many more established higher league clubs than we have, so probably has a better idea of what to expect. I don’t like the approach, but the essence of the story is still very valid. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. If JB really thought it and really wanted it sorted, he would have sorted it out behind the scenes months ago. A bigger person would have picked up the phone and sorted it out. No excuses. But that's exactly what this is, setting up supposedly viable excuses for failure in the event that we do fail. It's manipulative, and I'm not going to be taken in by it. Or he could be making some valid points ? 💙
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