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Post by axegas on Oct 19, 2021 12:47:57 GMT
Bit of a piece that requires more questions that isn't it. Again, be lovely to hear a plan and where we are on that journey etc. I though that Frosty might have released the talk with Chris by this point, not getting much feedback from him on that right now Did you really expect anything from the invisible fan liason Major? The fan liaison thing was a bad idea from the start, just feels like a way to fob fans off whilst installing a JB man on the board. If the fans have important and pressing concerns to convey to the board, they need to be heard and answered by the ones that actually make the decisions (Starnes, Gorringe etc)
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Post by Jomo on Oct 19, 2021 12:52:15 GMT
Whomever is supposed to be running the club needs to get a grip of it Joey might have a point but it Feels like now we have picked up a couple of points Joey feels confident to mouth off about something and having one armed tied behind his back. Starnes, Widdrington, Wael and Joey need to get in a meeting together and sort their sh** out Wasn’t it Barton who didn’t want to use the scouting network and said that his team, would do it his way?? Now he’s moaning about it😂 Correct. Below, 1 min 8 secs onwards...
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 19, 2021 13:17:29 GMT
My take on it is that Tommy's remit is U23s now. So his scouts will be looking at those type of games and players.
JB probably wants his own network but there isnt the budget for it unless we trim back the scouting from that side again.
I dont know why but these articles always pop up from Frosty when we have had a purple patch of form. Could be completely coincidental.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 13:22:57 GMT
My take on it is that Tommy's remit is U23s now. So his scouts will be looking at those type of games and players. JB probably wants his own network but there isnt the budget for it unless we trim back the scouting from that side again. I dont know why but these articles always pop up from Frosty when we have had a purple patch of form. Could be completely coincidental..... Frosty is in no way to blame for the bollox the manager chats. Have a look at the question he actually asked for this as well and it wasn’t even close to being relevant 😂
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Post by RD on Oct 19, 2021 13:41:30 GMT
Once again, utterly appalling actions from the Bristol Rovers "manager".
When will this learn to keep his f**king mouth shout? Seriously.
Wael needs to man the f**k up, sit down with Joey and tell him to shut his mouth and stop publicly mouthing off all the time.
FFS, honestly.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 19, 2021 13:44:13 GMT
Once again, utterly appalling actions from the Bristol Rovers "manager". When will this learn to keep his f**king mouth shout? Seriously. Wael needs to man the f**k up, sit down with Joey and tell him to shut his mouth and stop publicly mouthing off all the time. FFS, honestly. Once he gets started, JB doesn't appear to have a filter!
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Post by RD on Oct 19, 2021 13:47:17 GMT
Once again, utterly appalling actions from the Bristol Rovers "manager". When will this learn to keep his f**king mouth shout? Seriously. Wael needs to man the f**k up, sit down with Joey and tell him to shut his mouth and stop publicly mouthing off all the time. FFS, honestly. Once he gets started, JB doesn't appear to have a filter! Agreed - and in that sense perhaps I should understand the man better than I do But I think the thing is; what does this achieve? It's being used PURELY to deflect blame - surely everyone, even the most ardent Barton supporter can see that. And that's why I hate it; he drags the club through the mud, makes us a laughing stock publicly, and all to cover his own back. Take all the rants at the end of last season, plus this one; when have you ever heard a manager rant so publicly and damning about the football club he's currently employed by?! It's madness. The reason you don't hear it more often isn't because other clubs aren't ran as shambolically - it's because you just don't do it. Period. If I came out and spoke about my employer the way Barton speaks about his - even if I bigged up the CEO in doing so - I'd be gone by the morning. Simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:05:21 GMT
Once again, utterly appalling actions from the Bristol Rovers "manager". When will this learn to keep his f**king mouth shout? Seriously. Wael needs to man the f**k up, sit down with Joey and tell him to shut his mouth and stop publicly mouthing off all the time. FFS, honestly. Once he gets started, JB doesn't appear to have a filter! One of his ex playing colleagues is on record as saying "Barton doesn't have an off switch."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:14:08 GMT
Once he gets started, JB doesn't appear to have a filter! Agreed - and in that sense perhaps I should understand the man better than I do But I think the thing is; what does this achieve? It's being used PURELY to deflect blame - surely everyone, even the most ardent Barton supporter can see that. And that's why I hate it; he drags the club through the mud, makes us a laughing stock publicly, and all to cover his own back. Take all the rants at the end of last season, plus this one; when have you ever heard a manager rant so publicly and damning about the football club he's currently employed by?! It's madness. The reason you don't hear it more often isn't because other clubs aren't ran shambolically, it's because you just don't do it. If I came out and spoke about my employer the way Barton speaks about his - even if I bigged up the CEO in doing so - I'd be gone by the morning. You just don't do it. There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away.
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Post by RD on Oct 19, 2021 14:16:05 GMT
Agreed - and in that sense perhaps I should understand the man better than I do But I think the thing is; what does this achieve? It's being used PURELY to deflect blame - surely everyone, even the most ardent Barton supporter can see that. And that's why I hate it; he drags the club through the mud, makes us a laughing stock publicly, and all to cover his own back. Take all the rants at the end of last season, plus this one; when have you ever heard a manager rant so publicly and damning about the football club he's currently employed by?! It's madness. The reason you don't hear it more often isn't because other clubs aren't ran shambolically, it's because you just don't do it. If I came out and spoke about my employer the way Barton speaks about his - even if I bigged up the CEO in doing so - I'd be gone by the morning. You just don't do it. There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. Agreed. The mindblowing thing for me is that neither of those have happened already! I'm a big fan of Wael, but come on!! The bloke needs to give his head a wobble FFS - where is the leadership? Wael and Starnes just come across as wanting to stick their head in the sand constantly - which is why I guess it's no surprise Joey has realised he can do and say whatever he likes, as no-one will have the balls to speak up. This club needs some leadership and NOW.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 19, 2021 14:28:03 GMT
Agreed - and in that sense perhaps I should understand the man better than I do But I think the thing is; what does this achieve? It's being used PURELY to deflect blame - surely everyone, even the most ardent Barton supporter can see that. And that's why I hate it; he drags the club through the mud, makes us a laughing stock publicly, and all to cover his own back. Take all the rants at the end of last season, plus this one; when have you ever heard a manager rant so publicly and damning about the football club he's currently employed by?! It's madness. The reason you don't hear it more often isn't because other clubs aren't ran shambolically, it's because you just don't do it. If I came out and spoke about my employer the way Barton speaks about his - even if I bigged up the CEO in doing so - I'd be gone by the morning. You just don't do it. There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:35:45 GMT
There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? It’s impossible for the likes of us to judge as we don’t know their remit on a day to day basis. I’d assume Starnes was told to cut the losses and we were on target to do that before Covid weren’t we? Tommy has had more than one decent signing in fairness but JCH will be the top one of course
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 14:44:51 GMT
I’m not pleased this is being aired in public, but I do agree with Barton on this.
For years we’ve been moaning about the lack of scouting at the club, not just at the senior team level but even at academy age, the scouting at the club is not sufficient enough. I don’t know whether this is down to budget or whatnot, but Barton has been around many more established higher league clubs than we have, so probably has a better idea of what to expect. I don’t like the approach, but the essence of the story is still very valid. But how do we know? JB says so much that deciding on what’s real and what’s BS is hard to decide upon. Just because JB says it doesn’t mean it’s true, it may be but believing what he says is more about blind faith rather than a consideration of the evidence. Whatever, it needs sorting and the CEO must be responsible for the running of the club. Isn’t he? UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:50:17 GMT
I wonder if Barton has asked who prepared the scouting report for tonights opposition as Widdrington was spotted scouting at Colchester recently?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 19, 2021 14:55:21 GMT
I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? It’s impossible for the likes of us to judge as we don’t know their remit on a day to day basis. I’d assume Starnes was told to cut the losses and we were on target to do that before Covid weren’t we? Tommy has had more than one decent signing in fairness but JCH will be the top one of course Made this list a while back while playing "success or failure" with a mate. Be interested in what an average clubs benchmark is for success and what success percentage we would make of this as a group for the recruitment before (?? out of 42) and after TW (?? out of 46).
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Post by straighouttabristol on Oct 19, 2021 15:01:48 GMT
There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? Didn’t GC say he knew jch from Southend and knew he had potential?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 15:02:04 GMT
It’s impossible for the likes of us to judge as we don’t know their remit on a day to day basis. I’d assume Starnes was told to cut the losses and we were on target to do that before Covid weren’t we? Tommy has had more than one decent signing in fairness but JCH will be the top one of course Made this list a while back while playing "success or failure" with a mate. Be interested in what an average clubs benchmark is for success and what success percentage we would make of this as a group for the recruitment before (?? out of 42) and after TW (?? out of 46). Good data that, problem again is we don’t know who signed who do we? For example Blackman was probably a favour called in by Wael from Chelsea. JML since joined up with Ben again at Swindon etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 15:02:27 GMT
I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? Didn’t GC say he knew jch from Southend and knew he had potential? Yes but Tommy signed him at Coventry as well, you’d imagine a joint effort
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:04:29 GMT
If you took him at his word everyone he comes into contact with who doesn't do exactly what he says is incompetent or negligent or cancerous or whatever and everything he does is great and the only way forward. Either he's the greatest football personality there has ever been (looking at his record I'd suggest this isn't the case) or he's full of sh**. He’s been complimentary about Wael, several other managers and most of the current squad. He’s not been complimentary about the shower of sh** who assembled a squad of no hopers (who the previous 2 incumbents couldn’t get a tune out of) and most pre existing parts of BRFC which we all used to moan about constantly. The good thing about fairly narcisstic and nasty streak individuals like JB is they don’t sugar coat sh**. This club has been a shambles for years. With or without Joey B, this collection of underperforming deadwood had to be cleared. GC got a break with JCH but other than that since DC left we’ve been completely mismanaged. As for JB, his own judgement of himself is somewhat immaterial as everyone as nobody tends to slate themselves. I gave up backing or berating managers long ago as I admit I’m not privvy to the situation behind the scenes, and I am not a football professional. However, this club definitely did need a root and branch review. I’m not sure I agree with all that. Perhaps he doesn’t “sugar coat” stuff but neither does it mean he’s always right. Just because we went down last season and a good many people saw TW as the scapegoat doesn’t mean that everyone he signed was poor. We just never completed the recruitment and stopped after getting defenders and midfielders. And we’ve all banged on about whose fault that is. But we did have a structure, I think, TW head of recruitment and a manager. We then recruited a different manager, JB, with a very particular way of managing. A way that was completely different from the system we then had. Not completely JBs fault but he wants to manage his way. I don’t know we’ve been completely mismanaged since DC left. GC seemed to manage us pretty well on a football level and seemed to work well with TW. And I’m very sure this club does not need another “root and branch review”. Blimey, how many will that be and how much will that cost the club? We need the owner perhaps to expect everyone, TW, Starnes and JB to do what their job descriptions must surely say is their job. Or he needs to get them out and people in who will do that. But something needs to happen to deal with this. UTG!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 19, 2021 15:04:45 GMT
Made this list a while back while playing "success or failure" with a mate. Be interested in what an average clubs benchmark is for success and what success percentage we would make of this as a group for the recruitment before (?? out of 42) and after TW (?? out of 46). Good data that, problem again is we don’t know who signed who do we? For example Blackman was probably a favour called in by Wael from Chelsea. JML since joined up with Ben again at Swindon etc. Valid point mate
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