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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 16:46:52 GMT
I’m not sure I agree with all that. Perhaps he doesn’t “sugar coat” stuff but neither does it mean he’s always right. Just because we went down last season and a good many people saw TW as the scapegoat doesn’t mean that everyone he signed was poor. We just never completed the recruitment and stopped after getting defenders and midfielders. And we’ve all banged on about whose fault that is. But we did have a structure, I think, TW head of recruitment and a manager. We then recruited a different manager, JB, with a very particular way of managing. A way that was completely different from the system we then had. Not completely JBs fault but... UTG! Cant say I agree. I think the recruitment by TW was appalling. Our marque signing currently cant get in our league 2 team, all the centre backs were shocking. It was a disgrace. As for coughlan all I saw was a terrible manager playing hoofball who was surviving on the remenants of DCs team and we would have most certainly been relegated in his first half season had it not been for sh**ting a golden egg in JCH. I most definitely don’t rose tint on coughlan, I left countless games thinking “how?? Hhhhooow did we win that?” Most of those games were us defending for 89 minutes and one wonder goal from JCH. As regards to JB, there is a saying in Chinese “a camel is a horse designed by a committee” - meaning that too many inputs on a creative idea results in a beast which actually loses the advantages of a single Ideal. All about opinions goa. We certainly didn’t recruit the striker we needed to replace JCH and that made everything look worse. As for GC, yes the football wasn’t great (and I left happy but thinking much the same as you) and nor do I rose-tint over him but I guess I’d go for top of league 1 right now! It might have been “remnants” of DCs team but GC organised them well into a team, something that DC struggled to do. And I love DC! But I’m not really looking to argue with you. There’s enough of that at the moment!👍 It’s certainly looking a bit of a mess in a very public way atm. Good to see you back posting btw. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 17:03:50 GMT
Well goa, irrespective of his personal qualities JB has just been a total failure as a manager for BRFC on footballing grounds. We had never been in the bottom four before February, BGs record for the season was far better than JBs (not that I’m excusing him from a share of the blame), we shamefully gave up after the Northampton match and JBs man-management of his players was amongst the worst I’ve ever seen. The way we capitulated was just awful, he gave up and looked for reasons as a deflection. Nothing to do with his upbringing or his “poor spouse background” or the fact we may not like him. It was purely his failure as a football manager. I hope your judgement regarding successful managers being fairly dislikable and non-diplomatic isn’t an attempt to compare JB with successful managers (I won’t presume to name names) because he is, at the moment, light years away from that. UTG! No it’s just a reflection on life. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser. Are you judging his track record based on what he inherited, or on his new team? If you’re judging based on the debacle he inherited, and think that tactics or putting your arm around a player could have saved us….sorely mistaken IMO. I think the reason you’re judging him based on half a season with a squad of people he didn’t put together is because you don’t like him. Otherwise you judge managers who inherent players and a team they don’t want, and that’s not how management works. Blimey! You're making an assumption there about my personal feelings about JB. I’m judging him on his record as BRFC manager and that’s just awful. And actually goa, inheriting players, irrespective of whether you want them or not is exactly how management works. Certainly in non-footballing professions and even in the football profession. Not every manager has the option of replacing the squad of players when they move into a job, they have to work with what they get. Last season When Brady took over at Northampton he was unable to replace any players but nearly avoided relegation, Robinson at AFC Wimbledon was able to avoid relegation. JB was unable to work with the players he inherited and our collapse and the way he gave up was shameful. If you disagree fair enough, you have a different opinion. UTG!
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 19, 2021 18:08:06 GMT
Barton’s got his cape on and wearing his pants on the outside, not his fault he’s the hero trying to save the club from evil!
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Post by Somersetgas on Oct 19, 2021 18:11:55 GMT
Strange how trouble and disagreements have followed Barton around his whole career. The man probably argues with himself in the mirror.
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Post by giles on Oct 19, 2021 18:16:45 GMT
He knows where the door is if he doesn't like it!
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 19, 2021 18:37:51 GMT
Joey, your scouting network IS Pirate. Absorb the Wishlist thread and pick your favourite 10 from that.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 19, 2021 18:39:47 GMT
Truthful or not I can certainly believe it.
The club management is a mess. Lots of love for Wael and his investment (financially and emotionally) in the club but is the club really that much better ran than it was under Higgs? Two years ago I'd have said yes but over the past two years both footballing and non-footballing decisions (training ground aside) have been lacking.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 19, 2021 19:03:44 GMT
Or he could be making some valid points ? 💙 Valid or not, they should be made in house and not in the press. There is no excuse for it. Well D.C. became sooooo frustrated with the hierarchy , that he found himself in the same position. so much not right at the ‘top’ 😩💙utg
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 19, 2021 19:22:14 GMT
There’s nothing quite like airing your dirty linen in public.
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 19, 2021 21:38:37 GMT
Barton’s got his cape on and wearing his pants on the outside, not his fault he’s the hero trying to save the club from evil! A wolf in sheeps clothing. He IS the evil at the club!!
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 19, 2021 22:34:02 GMT
Barton’s got his cape on and wearing his pants on the outside, not his fault he’s the hero trying to save the club from evil! A wolf in sheeps clothing. He IS the evil at the club!! ...evil? are you sure?
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 20, 2021 8:20:33 GMT
I take it you've not read his criminal history record?
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Post by yetigas on Oct 20, 2021 8:36:44 GMT
“A poor scouse background” when has anyone said this? You don’t need to cite sources for an opinion. It’s a suggestion as to the motivations as to why you believe someone’s been unfairly treated. Nothing to do with a poor scouse background. Everything to do with his arrogance and treating Bristol Rovers as his charity case.
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Post by gulfofaden on Oct 20, 2021 8:44:48 GMT
You don’t need to cite sources for an opinion. It’s a suggestion as to the motivations as to why you believe someone’s been unfairly treated. Nothing to do with a poor scouse background. Everything to do with his arrogance and treating Bristol rovers as his charity case. So he’s a beastly horrid boy.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 20, 2021 8:53:14 GMT
Nothing to do with a poor scouse background. Everything to do with his arrogance and treating Bristol rovers as his charity case. So he’s a beastly horrid boy. Really? His inability to manage, and others attitude toward him, is nothing to do with his background as you imply. Frankly, I don't care where he comes from so long as he can get results on the pitch. On that he has been a complete failure. The only thing he seems want to put his energy into is finding scapegoats for his only failings.
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Post by richie on Oct 20, 2021 9:47:21 GMT
Valid or not, they should be made in house and not in the press. There is no excuse for it. Well D.C. became sooooo frustrated with the hierarchy , that he found himself in the same position. so much not right at the ‘top’ 😩💙utg DC left as his halo was starting to slip, he'd brought all his "own players" who couldnt take us to the next level and he was out of ideals - there ive finally said it. I didnt like DC people also forget he was in charge when we got relegated from the football league.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 20, 2021 9:55:44 GMT
🤔
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 20, 2021 9:58:51 GMT
I take it you've not read his criminal history record? I know it very well. I would hesitate to call someone evil on that basis.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 20, 2021 9:59:32 GMT
🤔 DC was promised an awful lot by wael - hence the fact he didn’t take the Leeds job - it didn’t materialise ! 😩💙
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2021 10:02:13 GMT
I take it you've not read his criminal history record? I know it very well. I would hesitate to call someone evil on that basis.
Agreed. A violent Dickhead is far more appropriate. Oh, and incompetent.
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