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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2021 20:53:48 GMT
Man this place is very polarised. Am I the only one on the fence on this one? On the one hand, I understand he’s decisive and has a bad history of criminality. The results have been lacking. I could say he also has a big mouth and makes bold claims. On the other hand, he’s driven and ambitious, and wants to succeed and prove a point. I think some of the recruitment has been good and I like the idea of totally overhauling the club. I also think in spells we’ve looked really good going forward. The one thing that puts me on the “in” side is I just don’t want a new manager, a new vision, a new set of players. AGAIN. Half the new players have said they went to us because of him. Overhauling that again is a task in itself. I have never joined a “manager out” campaign as I fed football fans are generally fickle and short sighted. I also just generally don’t like the idea of hounding people within the club I support. It feels vindictive. I say this while not being fully bought in. I’m not sure if this is going to work out to be honest In summary I don’t actually know. I just find being against anyone so vehemently a big spiteful. Also, it seems the easy option to just say “manager out” when we aren’t winning. I had to endure “bloody Clarke you’re a non league manager” in the east terrace before the guy had really been given a chance and I feel it’s kind of the hymn sheet of a lot of fans to constantly berate a manager and be critical of them if we aren’t top 6. I feel this project/team is better than the John ward side, Graydon side, the mark mcghee side and the buckle side. League position isn’t reflecting that but I feel this squad could fly if they were tighter at the back and could compete better with physical league 2 sides. This feels more of a league 1 type playing staff (not as good but in style) and league 2 teams who are good at set pieces and defending crosses drag us down to their level and beat us with experience No mate, Toppers on the fence next to you 😁 Why don't you do something I often get accussed of not doing and actually read my post? How can saying I'd dismiss Barton be sitting on the fence but I'd do it on the basis of what's happening on the pitch not because of crimes he committed a decade ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 21:10:26 GMT
This is the thing for me though Tilly, people do make mistakes…all of us. Barton doesn’t seem to make mistakes, he seems to constantly not learn and always be in some sort of drama. He could have us 15 points clear at the top of the league and I wouldn’t want him here for this reason, I don’t want anyone to agree with me, that’s just my personal views I can understand people having that point of view. I probably give people too many chances, and I’ve still not learnt. Nothing wrong with that Tilly, a quality I actually wish I had.
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Post by biggles on Oct 24, 2021 21:23:43 GMT
the sun,you mean the page three comic ask any liverpool supporter their opinion on that rag!
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Post by Westy on Oct 24, 2021 21:53:21 GMT
God made him say those things It's funny because on one hand he's telling us and the team that we'll definitely get promoted, and on the other hand telling the team (in public) that they're sh**. I mean, we know the team is sh**, so that's something we can agree on... But getting promotion? Not so sure about that. But the that's life being a gashead isn't it? Knowing we're rubbish but hoping for the best. Guess times haven't changed. Jaded. All I can say to being a supporter. But still, I'll buy a shirt, pop us on the radio on a Saturday and hope for the best that isn't coming UTG. All day and all night 💙
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Post by aghast on Oct 24, 2021 21:59:18 GMT
Why didn't the club and Joey issue a joint statement about this instead of letting it fester and spread around on social media?
An apology for the unfortunate and unintended choice of word. No disrespect meant. Very sorry for any offence caused. Said at an emotional moment and unfortunately misspoke.
That doesn't make it all ok, but it's a hell of a lot better than just shutting up shop and hoping it all goes away. Even if it does all go away, which it probably will, it still merits an apology.
More evidence of the club's current bunker mentality, I think.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 24, 2021 22:23:14 GMT
the sun,you mean the page three comic ask any liverpool supporter their opinion on that rag!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 24, 2021 22:27:57 GMT
Just nosing around on Twitter and someone made a comment that there has been nothing from the club in over 24 hours and how unusual that is....
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2021 22:28:45 GMT
It's difficult to imagine what Barton has to.do in order to get dismissed. His public pronouncements range from the embarrassing to the offensive. His performance in the job, as evidenced by the team's results, is lamentable. Perhaps the club's hierarchy are waiting for Barton to be in legal breach of contract and hoping that HM Courts will provide that opportunity ...... We could have one foot in the conference by then. I think we should get rid now and if that means having to pay him off then that’s the price you pay for employing someone like Barton when it’s all gone wrong. It was always a risk and Wael and his board took the risk but waiting and waiting while court cases get adjourned is putting this football club at risk of being relegated out of the football league again. Wael needs to get rid of Barton and the clowns that he’s surrounded himself with and get in people who know what they are doing. The club is a mess and that’s Waels fault. The likes of Hamer , Widdrington and strarnes were never likeable or trustworthy people in my eyes I just had a gut feeling about them from the off. It’s like an old school club of football dinosaurs where nobody gets on with each other and it all goes south. A bit like a fourth division club version of the FA.
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2021 22:34:07 GMT
He faces a delayed trial accused of assaulting former Barnsley boss Daniel Stendel. Barton was boss of League One Fleetwood at the time of the alleged 2019 incident. He has been convicted of two violent crimes, spending time behind bars, and been charged with violent conduct by The FA on three occasions. In 2004 while at Manchester City, he sparked a mass brawl during a pre-season friendly. During a Christmas party that year Barton, dressed as Jimmy Saville, lost his rag when he caught youth player Jamie Tandy attempting to set his shirt on fire. In retaliation, furious Barton stubbed a lit cigar out in Tandy's eye, leaving his teammate with a burnt eyelid. City charged Barton with gross misconduct and was fined £60,000. Barton apologised for his actions and Tandy later sued his attacker, winning £65,000 in damages. Just six months later Barton was aggrieved by comments made by a 15-year-old Everton fan at a Bangkok hotel, resulting in a fracas. In 2006 he pulled his shorts down and exposed his bum to Everton fans. The FA warned Barton about his future conduct and he was fined £2,000 for bringing the game into disrepute. Barton had a violent training ground fight in 2007 with former teammate Ousmane Dabo, who suffered head injuries, including a detached retina, after the bust-up and was left needing hospital treatment. After initially pleading not guilty to assault, Barton changed his plea to guilty and received a four-month suspended jail sentence plus 200 hours of community service. He was also punished by the FA with a 12-match ban - six of which were suspended - and handed a £25,000 fine. After moving to Newcastle United, Barton was arrested in Liverpool city centre in 2007. CCTV footage captured the footballer punching a man 20 times, causing him to lose consciousness. Barton pleaded guilty to common assault and affray and was sentenced to six months behind bars. He served 74 days of his prison terms before being released in July 2008. He was in trouble once again in 2010 when he punched Blackburn winger Morten Gamst Pedersen during a 2-1 defeat for Newcastle. Barton was charged by the FA over the incident and admitted to violent conduct, earning himself a three-match ban. Battle lines were drawn when Barton declared war on the cast of TOWIE in 2011. When he got some stick back on Twitter from the likes of Mark Wright and James Argent, Barton claimed Arg had teeth "like a burnt down fence". Arg confessed Barton's joke about his teeth was part of the vicious trolling he received which led to a dark downward spiral. In one of the most dramatic matches in football history, Barton was sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez in the throat on the final day of the season in 2012. He was suspended for 12 games and fined £75,000 after being charged with two acts of violent conduct against Aguero and Kompany. In the wake of the dismissal, Barton launched an expletive-ridden Twitter attack on Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. "Firstly, I think it is really important to confirm that as a club we stand firmly against any form of violence. Any individual that is found guilty of any such offences will be dismissed immediately" Wael Al-Qadi, who hired him to represent our club 👏 Are any of these episodes worse than being convicted of drink driving - there is a long list of premiership footballers and other players of the EFL convicted of this offence including a certain past player of this club. Irresponsible behaviour of young men putting innocent lives at risk - are these people being pilloried like this man - pilloried because it suits an agenda of some people that want him out. So let me get this right , you’re defending everything in that long list because some other people drink drive ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 24, 2021 22:36:34 GMT
Why didn't the club and Joey issue a joint statement about this instead of letting it fester and spread around on social media? An apology for the unfortunate and unintended choice of word. No disrespect meant. Very sorry for any offence caused. Said at an emotional moment and unfortunately misspoke. That doesn't make it all ok, but it's a hell of a lot better than just shutting up shop and hoping it all goes away. Even if it does all go away, which it probably will, it still merits an apology. More evidence of the club's current bunker mentality, I think. I suggested ages ago that we should have a Director of Communications with a remit to monitor social media and put a stop to things getting out of hand. It doesn't take much to do a bit of damage limitation.
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Post by gasgasgasgas on Oct 24, 2021 22:44:27 GMT
Just nosing around on Twitter and someone made a comment that there has been nothing from the club in over 24 hours and how unusual that is.... Posters on the other forum suggesting they believe he has gone. Wouldn’t be entirely surprised to see either an announcement made overnight or possibly more likely an immediate managerial replacement made, (which would helpfully avert attention). There was apparently a rumour yesterday “from the dressing room” he was toast.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 24, 2021 22:51:45 GMT
Just nosing around on Twitter and someone made a comment that there has been nothing from the club in over 24 hours and how unusual that is.... Posters on the other forum suggesting they believe he has gone. Wouldn’t be entirely surprised to see either an announcement made overnight or possibly more likely an immediate managerial replacement made, (which would helpfully avert attention). There was apparently a rumour yesterday “from the dressing room” he was toast. It would explain a lot, hopefully there is something in this. Whilst I didn't want him here in the first place and should have been on gardening leave at the very least, footballing wise I was thinking of him having a decent go with December as my limit, but results have been underwhelming and his interviews embarrassingly crass. If he's lost the dressing room then there is no getting that back. Enough is enough imo.
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Post by Gas1977 on Oct 24, 2021 23:34:04 GMT
Just nosing around on Twitter and someone made a comment that there has been nothing from the club in over 24 hours and how unusual that is.... Posters on the other forum suggesting they believe he has gone. Wouldn’t be entirely surprised to see either an announcement made overnight or possibly more likely an immediate managerial replacement made, (which would helpfully avert attention). There was apparently a rumour yesterday “from the dressing room” he was toast. you got a link to that mate?
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Oct 25, 2021 3:45:37 GMT
Why didn't the club and Joey issue a joint statement about this instead of letting it fester and spread around on social media? An apology for the unfortunate and unintended choice of word. No disrespect meant. Very sorry for any offence caused. Said at an emotional moment and unfortunately misspoke. That doesn't make it all ok, but it's a hell of a lot better than just shutting up shop and hoping it all goes away. Even if it does all go away, which it probably will, it still merits an apology. More evidence of the club's current bunker mentality, I think. I suggested ages ago that we should have a Director of Communications with a remit to monitor social media and put a stop to things getting out of hand. It doesn't take much to do a bit of damage limitation. JB has quite a large social media following, would be hard to keep him reigned in. Most minor celebs with less followers have PR consultants so would be surprised if he didn't have some sort of advisor.
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Post by Westy on Oct 25, 2021 5:54:47 GMT
Are any of these episodes worse than being convicted of drink driving - there is a long list of premiership footballers and other players of the EFL convicted of this offence including a certain past player of this club. Irresponsible behaviour of young men putting innocent lives at risk - are these people being pilloried like this man - pilloried because it suits an agenda of some people that want him out. So let me get this right , you’re defending everything in that long list because some other people drink drive ? TBF, a lot of people deserve a punch in the face. Although not many people are willing to give the punch. On the other hand, nobody deserves to be knocked over and killed by a drink driver. I speak for both of these things from experience. Not that I'm proud but I've scmacked a few dickheads in my time, and also had a punch or two. I also lost my dad to a drunk driver. Violence is part of being human I think, it's in our DNA. Drinking and driving isn't. Not sure where I'm going with this post, it's only 7am 😂
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2021 6:54:00 GMT
So let me get this right , you’re defending everything in that long list because some other people drink drive ? TBF, a lot of people deserve a punch in the face. Although not many people are willing to give the punch. On the other hand, nobody deserves to be knocked over and killed by a drink driver. I speak for both of these things from experience. Not that I'm proud but I've scmacked a few dickheads in my time, and also had a punch or two. I also lost my dad to a drunk driver. Violence is part of being human I think, it's in our DNA. Drinking and driving isn't. Not sure where I'm going with this post, it's only 7am 😂 For clarity, you are openly advocating violence.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 25, 2021 7:10:19 GMT
I suggested ages ago that we should have a Director of Communications with a remit to monitor social media and put a stop to things getting out of hand. It doesn't take much to do a bit of damage limitation. JB has quite a large social media following, would be hard to keep him reigned in. Most minor celebs with less followers have PR consultants so would be surprised if he didn't have some sort of advisor. That's a private account, I'm thinking more of reading places like here or newspaper websites for anything which may require a response. A bit like my employer's oldstyle Press Office from years ago who would buy all the papers each day and check to see if the company name was mentioned, if it was then it was brought to the attention of the relevant Director.
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Post by gasgasgasgas on Oct 25, 2021 7:45:47 GMT
Posters on the other forum suggesting they believe he has gone. Wouldn’t be entirely surprised to see either an announcement made overnight or possibly more likely an immediate managerial replacement made, (which would helpfully avert attention). There was apparently a rumour yesterday “from the dressing room” he was toast. you got a link to that mate? In this very long thread enjoy! gasheads.org/thread/9532/barton-unfit-manage-bristol-rovers?page=83
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 25, 2021 7:53:26 GMT
This is also the problem of JB as manager, hes dividing opinions in the fanbase which are causing even more controversial comments.
I have no problem in JB sledging Garner or Tisdale, I have no issue with him trying to big himself up, most managers criticise previous regimes and will also inflate the ego and confidence of their own players. I also have no issue with him being a bit difficult in press interviews post loss, but there is being a bit of a nob (a la Steve Cottrell or Sean O'Driscoll) and there is saying something that is offensive or has other connotations attached to it.
Its more than an utter PR disaster.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Oct 25, 2021 7:56:07 GMT
JB has quite a large social media following, would be hard to keep him reigned in. Most minor celebs with less followers have PR consultants so would be surprised if he didn't have some sort of advisor. That's a private account, I'm thinking more of reading places like here or newspaper websites for anything which may require a response. A bit like my employer's oldstyle Press Office from years ago who would buy all the papers each day and check to see if the company name was mentioned, if it was then it was brought to the attention of the relevant Director. Thought his PR was for anything he says whether in his private account or as a representative of BRFC. For some reason I feel the need to watch the Alan Partridge farmers apology scene
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