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Post by Jomo on Oct 26, 2021 9:34:00 GMT
Well he offered to walk for free after Swindon and we didn't take him up on his offer then... so I am not sure? It's very simple in my mind - I'm utterly convinced that Wael is suffering from complete denial. I think he knows what a disaster Garner and Tisdale were (I mean, who wouldn't) and the thought of being naïve enough to go "all in" on Barton, only to then have to sack him before the end of October is just something he cannot do. He's just hoping and praying for a miracle, so he can avoid the inevitable. A bit like a gambler chasing his losses. He needs to grow some balls, develop a backbone and do the right thing for this football club. He made his bed; now he needs to f**king well lie in it. RANK LEADERSHIP. It seems that way to me too. It also seems that Starnes and Widdrington were not in favour of the appointment from the start, hence them disappearing from view, and the many unprofessional remarks about them from JB over the last few months.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 26, 2021 9:36:44 GMT
I have been a keen gashead for 50 years plus. I have seen promotions relegations, been to Wembley watched rag bag Rovers at Bath, seen some good players and some shocking players. The time has come for me to take timeout! I am simply not enjoying watching our great club. We are mess all over, JB has been a disaster and I am fed up listening to the bollocks he talks. The football is dire, no tactics, no plan A or B. Club officials do not care and supporters numbers are dwindling. I know some of you will criticise me saying what kind of supporter am I , but until that fraud is gone I will not put a penny into this football club. No ifollow, no listening to radio, nothing! Trust me I have backed all types of managers and players over the years. Nobody has been more supportive than me. People talk about poor mental health! Watching this lot makes you feel lower than a snakes belly, no passion, no pride! Our pastimes are to enjoy not feel down trodden. JB do the right thing and get out of our club We must be similar ages Smudge. I am closer to 60 than 50 and saw my first game in 1972. I still have a ST but I am in a total quandary. I love by football club (and in all honesty, family and friends don't get it, even some mates who no longer go). Our spirit has always been tested, but this time I think we have been pushed to breaking. From the move out of Bristol, we somehow galvanised from our heady days at Eastville and Gerry brought back hope. This continued and the return to Bristol was just the best feeling. We have had owners that have truly cared but couldn't deliver and some that should have been able to deliver but didn't. The opportunities when we bought the stadium feels like it has come and gone. Why not give us a new stand or even two. The vision was always beyond capabilities. I cannot think of any football league team that has not had an improvement in their ground, is it really 25 years? This shows the scant regard, we have always been taken for granted, but we have been very special supporters. I will still attend, it feels like a duty though. My mate and I said if Newport had scored a third before HT, we would leave and go to the pub to watch the cricket, and I don't even rate twenty20. Seriously unheard of for me. No advice from me, we will all make our own decisions but the loss of so many long standing true blue supports is staggering. I don't need premiership football, I want a decent ground (mem is fine with improvement's), to watch a team try to play and entertain me and something I can be proud of again. Something to cheer. A few ups and a few downs, plenty of Goodnight Irenes. The current management and ownership have let the principles go, of what we are all about. Love your post Simon and reflective of the way a lot of fans of our generation are feeling I must however challenge you that there have been no ground improvements in the last 25 years.... as we now have some of the best tents in the entire football league!
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Post by simonj on Oct 26, 2021 9:37:45 GMT
Well he offered to walk for free after Swindon and we didn't take him up on his offer then... so I am not sure? It's very simple in my mind - I'm utterly convinced that Wael is suffering from complete denial. I think he knows what a disaster Garner and Tisdale were (I mean, who wouldn't) and the thought of being naïve enough to go "all in" on Barton, only to then have to sack him before the end of October is just something he cannot do. He's just hoping and praying for a miracle, so he can avoid the inevitable. A bit like a gambler chasing his losses. He needs to grow some balls, develop a backbone and do the right thing for this football club. He made his bed; now he needs to f**king well lie in it. RANK LEADERSHIP. Strong points but most now, bang on.
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Post by simonj on Oct 26, 2021 9:44:38 GMT
We must be similar ages Smudge. I am closer to 60 than 50 and saw my first game in 1972. I still have a ST but I am in a total quandary. I love by football club (and in all honesty, family and friends don't get it, even some mates who no longer go). Our spirit has always been tested, but this time I think we have been pushed to breaking. From the move out of Bristol, we somehow galvanised from our heady days at Eastville and Gerry brought back hope. This continued and the return to Bristol was just the best feeling. We have had owners that have truly cared but couldn't deliver and some that should have been able to deliver but didn't. The opportunities when we bought the stadium feels like it has come and gone. Why not give us a new stand or even two. The vision was always beyond capabilities. I cannot think of any football league team that has not had an improvement in their ground, is it really 25 years? This shows the scant regard, we have always been taken for granted, but we have been very special supporters. I will still attend, it feels like a duty though. My mate and I said if Newport had scored a third before HT, we would leave and go to the pub to watch the cricket, and I don't even rate twenty20. Seriously unheard of for me. No advice from me, we will all make our own decisions but the loss of so many long standing true blue supports is staggering. I don't need premiership football, I want a decent ground (mem is fine with improvement's), to watch a team try to play and entertain me and something I can be proud of again. Something to cheer. A few ups and a few downs, plenty of Goodnight Irenes. The current management and ownership have let the principles go, of what we are all about. Love your post Simon and reflective of the way a lot of fans of our generation are feeling I must however challenge you that there have been no ground improvements in the last 25 years.... as we now have some of the best tents in the entire football league! Ah good point Sean, the one in the East stand is my particular favourite as it replaced the terrace where I enjoyed standing. The away end tent and the original family 'stand' tent kind of was ok on a short term basis, but our owners clearly think its good enough for us. When Wael was on the fans shoulders the euphoria he enjoyed. Does he not listen now, care now or is he just out of his depth? We used to be able to laugh at ourselves easily and readily knowing our huge solidarity and spirit survives all. It just feels now all a bit sad.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 26, 2021 9:45:50 GMT
He made his bed; now he needs to f**king well lie in it. RANK LEADERSHIP. He needs to put the bed clothes in an industrial washer, pour in a load of biological washing powder, add some Spring Awakening Lenor, bung in half a pack of Bounce, and do a boil wash.
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Post by brightonpirate on Oct 26, 2021 10:27:25 GMT
First watched Rovers 1958. A 2-0 win v. Plymouth. Biggs and Hamilton scorers I believe. Over the years Rovers have made good and bad judgements and appointments, but have always retained a reasonably positive identity and ethos. Right now I believe the players do care, and are genuinely upset by this lack of consistency. Notwithstanding Barton’s puerile comments to the media, I am left wondering if his management style is based on pressure and the weapon.of “I did this, I did that etc.” I fear this inculcates in the players a subconscious fear of failure. This, paradoxically, can freeze performance. I feel a new management style, and hence a new manager is needed irrespective of the communication debacle. He may simply not be a good manager or coach
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 11:52:47 GMT
Well he offered to walk for free after Swindon and we didn't take him up on his offer then... so I am not sure? It's very simple in my mind - I'm utterly convinced that Wael is suffering from complete denial. I think he knows what a disaster Garner and Tisdale were (I mean, who wouldn't) and the thought of being naïve enough to go "all in" on Barton, only to then have to sack him before the end of October is just something he cannot do. He's just hoping and praying for a miracle, so he can avoid the inevitable. A bit like a gambler chasing his losses. He needs to grow some balls, develop a backbone and do the right thing for this football club. He made his bed; now he needs to f**king well lie in it. RANK LEADERSHIP. He pays for his bed, and everyone elses, and 2 years ago his balls wrote off £35 million of debt.
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Post by RD on Oct 26, 2021 12:09:50 GMT
It's very simple in my mind - I'm utterly convinced that Wael is suffering from complete denial. I think he knows what a disaster Garner and Tisdale were (I mean, who wouldn't) and the thought of being naïve enough to go "all in" on Barton, only to then have to sack him before the end of October is just something he cannot do. He's just hoping and praying for a miracle, so he can avoid the inevitable. A bit like a gambler chasing his losses. He needs to grow some balls, develop a backbone and do the right thing for this football club. He made his bed; now he needs to f**king well lie in it. RANK LEADERSHIP. He pays for his bed, and everyone elses, and 2 years ago his balls wrote off £35 million of debt. Not sure we'll be so thankful if he ultimately guides the club in to oblivion.
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 12:18:46 GMT
He pays for his bed, and everyone elses, and 2 years ago his balls wrote off £35 million of debt. Not sure we'll be so thankful if he ultimately guides the club in to oblivion. Why would he do that? How much did we receive in grants during lockdown? How much did the Quarters cost? How much has he invested in keeping us going? Even his letter to the fans said he was prepared to financially keep us up and running. What more do you want from the bloke?
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 26, 2021 12:25:34 GMT
Not sure we'll be so thankful if he ultimately guides the club in to oblivion. Why would he do that? How much did we receive in grants during lockdown? How much did the Quarters cost? How much has he invested in keeping us going? Even his letter to the fans said he was prepared to financially keep us up and running. What more do you want from the bloke? To employ better staff and people around him and generally run the Football Club he owns a whole lot better.
Just because he's wealthy enough to pump money in, doesn't mean he cant be criticised.
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Post by garythegas on Oct 26, 2021 12:27:31 GMT
Not sure we'll be so thankful if he ultimately guides the club in to oblivion. Why would he do that? How much did we receive in grants during lockdown? How much did the Quarters cost? How much has he invested in keeping us going? Even his letter to the fans said he was prepared to financially keep us up and running. What more do you want from the bloke? Are you being serious ?,where shall I begin.
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Post by albaron on Oct 26, 2021 12:29:39 GMT
First watched Rovers 1958. A 2-0 win v. Plymouth. Biggs and Hamilton scorers I believe. Over the years Rovers have made good and bad judgements and appointments, but have always retained a reasonably positive identity and ethos. Right now I believe the players do care, and are genuinely upset by this lack of consistency. Notwithstanding Barton’s puerile comments to the media, I am left wondering if his management style is based on pressure and the weapon.of “I did this, I did that etc.” I fear this inculcates in the players a subconscious fear of failure. This, paradoxically, can freeze performance. I feel a new management style, and hence a new manager is needed irrespective of the communication debacle. He may simply not be a good manager or coach Sorry to ne pedantic. But I don't think Ian Hamilton scored until the following season.
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 13:00:10 GMT
Why would he do that? How much did we receive in grants during lockdown? How much did the Quarters cost? How much has he invested in keeping us going? Even his letter to the fans said he was prepared to financially keep us up and running. What more do you want from the bloke? Are you being serious ?,where shall I begin. Go on then. Start with how much money he's put into the Club.
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 13:03:17 GMT
Why would he do that? How much did we receive in grants during lockdown? How much did the Quarters cost? How much has he invested in keeping us going? Even his letter to the fans said he was prepared to financially keep us up and running. What more do you want from the bloke? To employ better staff and people around him and generally run the Football Club he owns a whole lot better.
Just because he's wealthy enough to pump money in, doesn't mean he cant be criticised.
You'd critisise someone who's saved the Club and has continued to do so? Financially. Unreal.
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Post by brightonpirate on Oct 26, 2021 13:09:06 GMT
Could have been Dai Ward?
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 26, 2021 13:17:30 GMT
To employ better staff and people around him and generally run the Football Club he owns a whole lot better.
Just because he's wealthy enough to pump money in, doesn't mean he cant be criticised.
You'd critisise someone who's saved the Club and has continued to do so? Financially. Unreal. Yes.
If they continue to make mistakes.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 26, 2021 13:22:41 GMT
Are you being serious ?,where shall I begin. Go on then. Start with how much money he's put into the Club. There's no denying that he has put a lot of money into the club, and he is keen and committed. I have no doubt that he WANTS the best for us. However, he is throwing good money after bad at this point, because he is incapable of running the club to the required level to make the most of (or even close to making the most of) his investments. It's like if someone spent thousands upon thousands on their house in the hope of making it a nice big family home, but spending it all on the wrongs things, getting contractors in without doing any research, doing everything in the wrong order, and having to do it all again, with all that investment being lost in the process. That would make them well-meaning and committed to their project, but ultimately clueless, incompetent and no idea how to spend their money wisely. That is what I liken to Wael with our club, sadly.
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Post by garythegas on Oct 26, 2021 13:25:03 GMT
To employ better staff and people around him and generally run the Football Club he owns a whole lot better.
Just because he's wealthy enough to pump money in, doesn't mean he cant be criticised.
You'd critisise someone who's saved the Club and has continued to do so? Financially. Unreal. He saved the club that him a his family nearly ran into the ground, accumulating the vast majority of the debt he paid off. That same family also cost us our best chance of a new stadium with their demands for retail outlets and a hotel. I could forgive both of these but allowing our club to become both a laughing stock and an incompetent shambles on and off the field I cannot. Wael has to take responsibility for all that is going on at our club, only he can pull the trigger, only he can bang heads together so that employees talk to each other and only he can tell us supporters what the F@+K is going on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
The notion that WAQ has saved the club is delusional. He’s doing the polar opposite at the moment, with a succession of playing and non playing appointments that are taking us back to the Higgs era of non league football. No league club has gone bust because of Covid. Debt was been written off using his inheritance (and with it a debt for equity swap, diluting other shareholders), we have a basic training ground but a stadium that is an embarrassment. He does not appear to have anything like the wealth required to invest properly in the club. And after five years still doesn’t seem to ‘get’ the supporters. Unlike the other lot south of the river, we are realistic. We just want our loyal support to be treated with proper respect, not the contempt that it currently feels like.
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 13:35:14 GMT
You'd critisise someone who's saved the Club and has continued to do so? Financially. Unreal. He saved the club that him a his family nearly ran into the ground, accumulating the vast majority of the debt he paid off. That same family also cost us our best chance of a new stadium with their demands for retail outlets and a hotel. I could forgive both of these but allowing our club to become both a laughing stock and an incompetent shambles on and off the field I cannot. Wael has to take responsibility for all that is going on at our club, only he can pull the trigger, only he can bang heads together so that employees talk to each other and only he can tell us supporters what the F@+K is going on. Wael and his family nearly ran into the Ground? With debts that he ammounted? And cost us a chance of a new Ground? You really have no idea what you're on about.
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