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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2021 13:36:52 GMT
The notion that WAQ has saved the club is delusional. He’s doing the polar opposite at the moment, with a succession of playing and non playing appointments that are taking us back to the Higgs era of non league football. No league club has gone bust because of Covid. Debt was been written off using his inheritance (and with it a debt for equity swap, diluting other shareholders), we have a basic training ground but a stadium that is an embarrassment. He does not appear to have anything like the wealth required to invest properly in the club. And after five years still doesn’t seem to ‘get’ the supporters. Unlike the other lot south of the river, we are realistic. We just want our loyal support to be treated with proper respect, not the contempt that it currently feels like. Phew, thank goodness for inheritance.
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Post by Blackbeard on Oct 26, 2021 13:55:57 GMT
Doesn’t matter when your first game was
Could have been last Saturday or 1979
A fan is a fan ,entitled to their opinion because that fan has paid some money to see some football , some tactical nouse and hopefully a win or at least 11 players trying for one
This season is , if it’s possible even worse than last. There is nothing to commend the club, the support is dwindling and divided and our CF has the mobility of an injured hippo
Imagine a central midfielder having the vision to put a ball into space for Pitman to sieze upon , we are handicapped before we bloody start .
At least put some youth in there with him to do the running and learn a bit
Like others, I just cannot be arsed to pay to watch this claptrap the club is so rotten and disjointed from top to bottom no one has a prayer. These are very dark days .
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Post by wertongas on Oct 26, 2021 14:12:41 GMT
Fans are makeing comments on why there are so many threads regarding Barton , the reason is that he his disliked by a considerable section of the supporters, the Thatcher's end maybe still be full on a Saturday afternoon but it is for the love of football not the love for our manager. Dealing with issue regarding treatment of women and Jewish issues are probably a cultural thing.I have nothing at all against Arab people, but Jordanian Arabs are brought up to dislike their Jewish neighbours , this may not be the case with Wael, but comments that trivialise The Holocaust would not be looked on as a seriously in the Arab culture. I am sure previous owners of the club such as the Dunfords and Higgs would not have J B still working for them now after everything that has gone on recently. I apologize for offending anyone with these comments but that is how it is.
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Post by garythegas on Oct 26, 2021 14:24:24 GMT
He saved the club that him a his family nearly ran into the ground, accumulating the vast majority of the debt he paid off. That same family also cost us our best chance of a new stadium with their demands for retail outlets and a hotel. I could forgive both of these but allowing our club to become both a laughing stock and an incompetent shambles on and off the field I cannot. Wael has to take responsibility for all that is going on at our club, only he can pull the trigger, only he can bang heads together so that employees talk to each other and only he can tell us supporters what the F@+K is going on. Wael and his family nearly ran into the Ground? With debts that he ammounted? And cost us a chance of a new Ground? You really have no idea what you're on about. It's been said many times that I don't know what I'm on about, but I suggest you look at the yearly losses before and after the Wael and family takeover, I would also ask the question why are we not playing at UWE?. It may have been a crap deal that Mr Higgs agreed but that was always open to negotiation and [money was no object] I believe. I have no intention of falling out with you but could you please tell me who you think is at fault for the current shambles at the club ?.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 14:31:44 GMT
The bloke is from a Banking Dynasty. I would hope he is very carefully looking at the financials of the Club. I am sure he has another dozen or two dozen business interests that need his time and effort. He rightly or wrongly choose to employ the people he has that he thought would do the job. He is from a Corporate background not football and is going from one mistake to another at the moment, but go careful for what we wish for.
Previous Charlton Owner, Derby's in a mess, Clubs that have gone out of business recently, and points deductions that have been handed out across all the leagues last couple of seasons.
I dont know, but seems he is learning the lessons of running a football club as a business and possibly thinking that this now needs a lot more attention that he has being given it. He cant sack Joey if he has an opportunity to wait and see if this can be done without any further compensation being paid to yet another manager, and further damage done to the Club with the PR B*lls ups that have happened in the last month or two.
The corporate world is a galaxy away from "football people" and that I guess has been his downfall.
There are Business men / women who have very successfully run clubs like proper businesses until Fans, Media, New Owners or partners start. Nicola Cortese tried and succeed, until football and misguided Owners and Financial partners got in the way, Mike Ashley love him or hate him, dont think he made a huge loss, but I might be wrong. Roman, although it helps if the pot is bottomless. Bournemouth dont seem to be going bankrupt anytime soon. Brentford, Norwich, I'm sure the list goes on. However the list of clubs that potentially are in the S**t for whatever reason is equally as long.
The Club has been around since 1883, I am convinced that Weal will not want his legacy to end in failure for all his faults. I would be gutted if we end up in non league again, however I would rather have Weal "at the wheel" to get us back out again than a mercenary owner who would be either happy to walk away and leave devastation behind them, or worse bankrupt and send the Club out of business. Just my thoughts.
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Post by garythegas on Oct 26, 2021 14:39:13 GMT
The bloke is from a Banking Dynasty. I would hope he is very carefully looking at the financials of the Club. I am sure he has another dozen or two dozen business interests that need his time and effort. He rightly or wrongly choose to employ the people he has that he thought would do the job. He is from a Corporate background not football and is going from one mistake to another at the moment, but go careful for what we wish for. Previous Charlton Owner, Derby's in a mess, Clubs that have gone out of business recently, and points deductions that have been handed out across all the leagues last couple of seasons. I dont know, but seems he is learning the lessons of running a football club as a business and possibly thinking that this now needs a lot more attention that he has being given it. He cant sack Joey if he has an opportunity to wait and see if this can be done without any further compensation being paid to yet another manager, and further damage done to the Club with the PR B*lls ups that have happened in the last month or two. The corporate world is a galaxy away from "football people" and that I guess has been his downfall. There are Business men / women who have very successfully run clubs like proper businesses until Fans, Media, New Owners or partners start. Nicola Cortese tried and succeed, until football and misguided Owners and Financial partners got in the way, Mike Ashley love him or hate him, dont think he made a huge loss, but I might be wrong. Roman, although it helps if the pot is bottomless. Bournemouth dont seem to be going bankrupt anytime soon. Brentford, Norwich, I'm sure the list goes on. However the list of clubs that potentially are in the S**t for whatever reason is equally as long. The Club has been around since 1883, I am convinced that Weal will not want his legacy to end in failure for all his faults. I would be gutted if we end up in non league again, however I would rather have Weal "at the wheel" to get us back out again than a mercenary owner who would be either happy to walk away and leave devastation behind them, or worse bankrupt and send the Club out of business. Just my thoughts. I agree, I think on the whole Wael is a good owner, but these past 3 years have been nothing short of a disaster. My point is Wael has to to be held to account for all that has gone on in these last 3 seasons, I can only hope he can now get into the real world and sort it out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 14:56:25 GMT
To be clear, I don't want Wael to fail, I simply question his judgement and decision making. He's had well over five years to get to grips with owning a football club. But he doesn't seem to learn from his errors. Some basic fact finding and chatting amongst the wider football community would surely have stopped him from appointing Barton. I just don't think he's really in touch with the game in this country, and not with us supporters. He's a very decent guy when you chat to him, but never confuse that with the ability to successfully run a business, whichever industry it's in. The events over the past few days simply highlights this.
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Post by aghast on Oct 26, 2021 16:42:38 GMT
Fans are makeing comments on why there are so many threads regarding Barton , the reason is that he his disliked by a considerable section of the supporters, the Thatcher's end maybe still be full on a Saturday afternoon but it is for the love of football not the love for our manager. Dealing with issue regarding treatment of women and Jewish issues are probably a cultural thing.I have nothing at all against Arab people, but Jordanian Arabs are brought up to dislike their Jewish neighbours , this may not be the case with Wael, but comments that trivialise The Holocaust would not be looked on as a seriously in the Arab culture. I am sure previous owners of the club such as the Dunfords and Higgs would not have J B still working for them now after everything that has gone on recently. I apologize for offending anyone with these comments but that is how it is. That's how what is?? Wael doesn't like Jewish people so he doesn't care if Joey refers to the Holocaust? Oh please.
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Post by orgasmic on Oct 26, 2021 17:07:22 GMT
Fans are makeing comments on why there are so many threads regarding Barton , the reason is that he his disliked by a considerable section of the supporters, the Thatcher's end maybe still be full on a Saturday afternoon but it is for the love of football not the love for our manager. Dealing with issue regarding treatment of women and Jewish issues are probably a cultural thing.I have nothing at all against Arab people, but Jordanian Arabs are brought up to dislike their Jewish neighbours , this may not be the case with Wael, but comments that trivialise The Holocaust would not be looked on as a seriously in the Arab culture. I am sure previous owners of the club such as the Dunfords and Higgs would not have J B still working for them now after everything that has gone on recently. I apologize for offending anyone with these comments but that is how it is. ‘Jordanian Arabs are brought up to dislike their Jewish neighbours’! Nothing like a wild generalisation to help make your point! Not sure how you have an insight into every Jordanian Arabs home to make that conclusion!
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 26, 2021 17:48:13 GMT
Lets talk football and not politics, Bartons a nasty ,uneducated, thirty something child, not fit to run up the road let alone a football club.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 26, 2021 18:51:43 GMT
The notion that WAQ has saved the club is delusional. He’s doing the polar opposite at the moment, with a succession of playing and non playing appointments that are taking us back to the Higgs era of non league football. No league club has gone bust because of Covid. Debt was been written off using his inheritance (and with it a debt for equity swap, diluting other shareholders), we have a basic training ground but a stadium that is an embarrassment. He does not appear to have anything like the wealth required to invest properly in the club. And after five years still doesn’t seem to ‘get’ the supporters. Unlike the other lot south of the river, we are realistic. We just want our loyal support to be treated with proper respect, not the contempt that it currently feels like. When Mr Wael took over we had a number of high profile Board members appointed.One who oversaw the building of the new Wembley.Others with impressive CV's,an international analyst called Will Dubey,another who was responsible for new build stadiums,a legal expert etc etc and the new Chairman when asked about the Sainsbury's/UWE debacle said that Finance wasn't a problem. None of the prestigious new board lasted five minutes and most left for 'Personal Reasons'. Was it a Smoke and Mirrors PRO exercise? Did they all realise within minutes we weren't likely to match Man City-or even Bristol City- after all or what was it all about.Given up caring now as my hopes over the years have been hopelessly dashed so many times. It hurts though that as a club we are totally without direction or leadership. Most cringeworthy moment was a rare interview with Mr Wael who when asked why the promised new stadium hadn't happened said something like,'We have installed new hand driers in the toilets and improved the club shop?'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 19:02:02 GMT
To be clear, I don't want Wael to fail, I simply question his judgement and decision making. He's had well over five years to get to grips with owning a football club. But he doesn't seem to learn from his errors. Some basic fact finding and chatting amongst the wider football community would surely have stopped him from appointing Barton. I just don't think he's really in touch with the game in this country, and not with us supporters. He's a very decent guy when you chat to him, but never confuse that with the ability to successfully run a business, whichever industry it's in. The events over the past few days simply highlights this. I 100% agree with you, I dont want him to fail either. I desperately hope that he starts to use his Business acumen, and makes his own decisions and concentrate on the Gas as his number 1 priority. He seems to be pre occupied with a lot of outside "Stuff" not Gas related. It probably starts with a proper MD, but I dont want to start that argument again. As I said Saints did it at L1 level, so it can be done. Just needs the right outside the box thinking.
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