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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 25, 2021 17:51:42 GMT
Can anybody understand why the club haven't made a statement? Yeah they've got form. Remember that bin fire of a statement about domestic abuse? Didn't comment for ages and then, yep, you guessed it, they sh** the bed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 17:53:44 GMT
Ashamed to support this club right now.
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Post by phillistine on Oct 25, 2021 18:03:57 GMT
The club have not made a statement as that would simply escalate it and keep it in the press longer. What would a statement from BRFC really achieve other than get criticism - as happened in the earlier comments?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 25, 2021 18:07:31 GMT
Can anybody understand why the club haven't made a statement? Because it’s been twisted and taking out of context. The meaning of it is destruction on a mass scale, which is obviously what he meant. It’s obvious he wasn’t talking about the other type. There is more than one meaning for a lot of words. Don’t mind if he gets sacked for his performances and if proved guilty of any court case. But this has been taken out of context. The club have removed it, as they can see it has caused offence to some. But don’t see the need in a statement, saying what we already know😂 Blimey even by your standards I'm surprised your supporting the club on this issue. What have they got to do for you to criticise them?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 25, 2021 18:09:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 18:19:32 GMT
The club have not made a statement as that would simply escalate it and keep it in the press longer. What would a statement from BRFC really achieve other than get criticism - as happened in the earlier comments? Be proactive and nip it in the bud. What’s worse? Option A-Joe misspoke and is very sorry for any offence caused. Option B- say nothing and let it fester
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Post by Jomo on Oct 25, 2021 18:20:15 GMT
Great article IMO. Well done Sam Frost, he echoes my thoughts nicely. The club's hierarchy are a shambolic bunch of idiots and are making our club a national laughing stock.
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Post by popuppirate on Oct 25, 2021 18:24:52 GMT
Hopefully his replacement is being lined up and his exit will prompt a statement distancing the club from his comments. Hopefully. Any other explanation is unacceptable now
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 25, 2021 18:27:16 GMT
Hopefully his replacement is being lined up and his exit will prompt a statement distancing the club from his comments. Hopefully. Any other explanation is unacceptable now If there's one single truth in life it is this. No matter what the circumstances, no matter what the intention, Bristol Rovers will consider all the options, carefully form and assess a strategy, and then, publicly and unashamedly, sh** the bed.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 25, 2021 18:28:05 GMT
The club have not made a statement as that would simply escalate it and keep it in the press longer. What would a statement from BRFC really achieve other than get criticism - as happened in the earlier comments? Sorry but this is total bollocks. An appeasing statement on Sunday, to acknowledge that a poor choice of words were used and that the club apologise for any offence caused, would have gone a long way towards getting the press off the club's back. Maybe not Barton's, but the club's back at least. Not saying anything is another unmitigated PR disaster and makes the club look incredibly amateurish. Which, sadly, they are. Besides, the reason their comments in the summer were criticised is because they inexplicably defended Barton by stating that it was a "victimless crime" which was not only offensive to the victim, but also patently false.
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Post by cj on Oct 25, 2021 18:31:17 GMT
Thanks Topper for this.
Article in full for those who hate going on the Bristol Live site:
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip after another regrettable episode of the club losing its way.
Bristol Rovers is a community club but it is alienating some supporters and parts of the wider football world.
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip. This is a club that, for two years, has lurched from one mistake to another and the need to stop the rot is becoming increasingly urgent.
On the pitch, it is a disastrous spell for the Gas, plunging from the top end of League One to the swamp-like depths of League Two in just 23 chaotic months. Their bullish expectation that promotion was inevitable appears terribly misguided with 14 games on the board and Rovers just four points clear of the bottom two.
And off the pitch, the club is finding new ways to alienate supporters and harm its image in the wider football community. Sunday's decision to stay silent when asked for an explanation of Joey Barton's holocaust analogy beggars belief.
The manager probably used the term in a more general context than specifically citing the Nazi genocide of Jews and other minorities in the 1940s, but it is a word that has no place in the vernacular of a football manager bemoaning his players' propensity to commit errors.
I'm sure some Gasheads took no offence whatsoever to Barton's comment, but that word carries significance for millions around the globe. To use it in such a trivial context is wrong.
The BBC reports Bristol City councillor Fabian Breckels has labelled Barton's choice of words "appalling" and he believes the manager should consider his position.
A simple, brief apology or, at the very least, explanation from the club for the manager's poor choice of phrasing would have sufficed. People would have moved on, but to bury heads in the sand and say nothing shows a lack of accountability and professionalism, prompting only more disillusionment from supporters.
Saying nothing has made things worse. Rovers, historically, have been amateurish at times, almost charmingly so. But recent episodes have been different.
After all, this is a football club that has been inclusive of all colours and creeds. It is a community-first club, so for Rovers to not recognise that a slip of the tongue from the face of the club could be perceived as greatly offensive to some people in Bristol and beyond is another self-inflicted error.
Only a few months back, the club's communications caused outrage when commenting on Barton being charged with assaulting his wife – which he denies and will contest at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court in December – and owner Wael Al-Qadi was required to save face with an open letter a few hours later.
It is sad to say it, but Bristol Rovers is a club that is not conducting itself correctly often enough. Last week, for example, the manager was taking aim at board member Tommy Widdrington in his pre-match press conference – his opportunity to galvanise supporters and try to lift their spirits. Instead, he was airing dirty laundry in public when the question he was asked was completely different to the one he answered.
Where is the unity, the synergy required to be successful in the most competitive of industries?
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip.
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Post by surreygas4 on Oct 25, 2021 18:31:44 GMT
Great article IMO. Well done Sam Frost, he echoes my thoughts nicely. The club's hierarchy are a shambolic bunch of idiots and are making our club a national laughing stock. I agree, this is an excellent article. I thought frosty gave Garner an easy ride at times during his tenure and also isn't critical enough of Barton (understand as a local journalist you need to keep the manager and club sweet) but this piece is spot on. Pressure mounting now. Barton doing his best to be sacked on and off the pitch - including freely offering to resign for free in public - but wael just seems to be burying his head in the sand. Everything about the club is depressing at the moment isn't it.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2021 18:32:08 GMT
He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Whatever he meant it was a very poor choice of words and has attracted negative attention again. Trying to find other parallel phrases as a defence is irrelevant. What he said has brought embarrassment to the club and he (and the club) should apologise for his words, say they weren’t meant to cause offence and then move on. But we can’t seem to do that either. Yep, all he needs to do is say, I used the wrong word, it was stupid, I'm sorry for any offence it caused, and then he can get right back to being our worst manager ever. But I imagine he's got too high an opinion of his massive intellect and highly developed sense of right and wrong to even do that. Agreed , was gonna post something similar. I just think he used the wrong word at the time but after the offence it’s caused an apology should be issued . ps I actually think he’ll be gone this week.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 25, 2021 18:40:26 GMT
You know the worst thing I've been thinking about is this. Everyone cradles Wael as the savior of our club, even though he's dragging it through the mud at every possible opportunity and has overseen a massive decline in progress on and off the field. But we love him because he's a nice guy and he wrote off our debt and he saved us and wheres your money then mate?
Once, if we had folded, we would have been a sob story for the football league. Good old ramshackle rovers what a shame I used to like going there and eating a soggy ginsters in the watering rain, what a shame. Now if we folded after the domestic violence is a victimless crime gibshite and now Joey Bartons holocaust verbal turd, I imagine the football league would say oh Wael what a horrible club anyway. And that isn't beyond the realm of possibility I suppose.
Anyway, another pointless rant from me but yeah, I say fiddlesticks to Wael al Qadi, he's no savior of this club. He's taking us in the same direction but just tarnishing us and our reputation along the way.
Wheres your money then mate?
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Post by cj on Oct 25, 2021 18:43:33 GMT
The club have not made a statement as that would simply escalate it and keep it in the press longer. What would a statement from BRFC really achieve other than get criticism - as happened in the earlier comments? If JB came out and said something like:
I want to apologise for any offence and upset caused regarding what I said in my post match interview on Saturday regarding the word Holocaust. I think the Holocaust was a terrible act. A disaster for humanity. The mistakes made by my players have unfortunately been shocking has costed us points which has been a disaster for them and for me in our attempts to get the club up the table. I wanted to make the point how bad of a disaster it has been because ultimately it could soon cost me my job. I had no intentions to use that word in any other way that what I just described and I can only apologise that I didn't make it more clear because I feel terrible that I have caused anyone to be upset for using that word. In hindsight, I should never have used that word and I can only apologise for using it in the heat of the moment immediately following another defeat where emotions are high. I will do my utmost to think before I speak in future and again I apologise for any hurt I have caused.
I am not sure phillistine, how saying something similar to this, would escalate things further. Even I would applaud him for doing this and I dislike the bloke as much as I do City.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 25, 2021 19:02:52 GMT
Because it’s been twisted and taking out of context. The meaning of it is destruction on a mass scale, which is obviously what he meant. It’s obvious he wasn’t talking about the other type. There is more than one meaning for a lot of words. Don’t mind if he gets sacked for his performances and if proved guilty of any court case. But this has been taken out of context. The club have removed it, as they can see it has caused offence to some. But don’t see the need in a statement, saying what we already know😂 Blimey even by your standards I'm surprised your supporting the club on this issue. What have they got to do for you to criticise them? I’ve criticised the club lots and if it was up to me, I would probably get rid of Barton now, as results have not been good enough. But this comment is being taken out of context, just because people want him gone. Frost is just jumping on the bandwagon. Until others highlighted it, I just thought he meant destruction and I’ve heard it said in that context before and thought nothing of it.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 25, 2021 19:09:26 GMT
Blimey even by your standards I'm surprised your supporting the club on this issue. What have they got to do for you to criticise them? I’ve criticised the club lots and if it was up to me, I would probably get rid of Barton now, as results have not been good enough. But this comment is being taken out of context, just because people want him gone. Frost is just jumping on the bandwagon. Until others highlighted it, I just thought he meant destruction and I’ve heard it said in that context before and thought nothing of it. I actually do think Barton just used the wrong word and perhaps there is an element of "storm in a teacup" about this, but this is by the by. The fact is that as a public facing institution, you have to manage PR and at least appear to do and say the right thing in order to protect the club's image and mitigate further criticism and damage to the club's reputation. To do nothing is cold and insensitive in my opinion, but what it most certainly is is objectively incompetent.
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Post by RD on Oct 25, 2021 19:12:08 GMT
Thanks Topper for this.
Article in full for those who hate going on the Bristol Live site:
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip after another regrettable episode of the club losing its way.
Bristol Rovers is a community club but it is alienating some supporters and parts of the wider football world.
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip. This is a club that, for two years, has lurched from one mistake to another and the need to stop the rot is becoming increasingly urgent.
On the pitch, it is a disastrous spell for the Gas, plunging from the top end of League One to the swamp-like depths of League Two in just 23 chaotic months. Their bullish expectation that promotion was inevitable appears terribly misguided with 14 games on the board and Rovers just four points clear of the bottom two.
And off the pitch, the club is finding new ways to alienate supporters and harm its image in the wider football community. Sunday's decision to stay silent when asked for an explanation of Joey Barton's holocaust analogy beggars belief.
The manager probably used the term in a more general context than specifically citing the Nazi genocide of Jews and other minorities in the 1940s, but it is a word that has no place in the vernacular of a football manager bemoaning his players' propensity to commit errors.
I'm sure some Gasheads took no offence whatsoever to Barton's comment, but that word carries significance for millions around the globe. To use it in such a trivial context is wrong.
The BBC reports Bristol City councillor Fabian Breckels has labelled Barton's choice of words "appalling" and he believes the manager should consider his position.
A simple, brief apology or, at the very least, explanation from the club for the manager's poor choice of phrasing would have sufficed. People would have moved on, but to bury heads in the sand and say nothing shows a lack of accountability and professionalism, prompting only more disillusionment from supporters.
Saying nothing has made things worse. Rovers, historically, have been amateurish at times, almost charmingly so. But recent episodes have been different.
After all, this is a football club that has been inclusive of all colours and creeds. It is a community-first club, so for Rovers to not recognise that a slip of the tongue from the face of the club could be perceived as greatly offensive to some people in Bristol and beyond is another self-inflicted error.
Only a few months back, the club's communications caused outrage when commenting on Barton being charged with assaulting his wife – which he denies and will contest at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court in December – and owner Wael Al-Qadi was required to save face with an open letter a few hours later.
It is sad to say it, but Bristol Rovers is a club that is not conducting itself correctly often enough. Last week, for example, the manager was taking aim at board member Tommy Widdrington in his pre-match press conference – his opportunity to galvanise supporters and try to lift their spirits. Instead, he was airing dirty laundry in public when the question he was asked was completely different to the one he answered.
Where is the unity, the synergy required to be successful in the most competitive of industries?
Bristol Rovers need to get a grip.
Take a f**king bow Frosty 👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 25, 2021 19:17:51 GMT
'The club losing it's way'.Sums it up but our 'Leaders' don't seem capable of sorting any of it.Will be too late unless we are not brought back on track very soon both on and off the pitch.
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